# What should be the main talking points of the 2020 Dem Pres candidate (presumably Biden)? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 27, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-be-the-main-talking-points-of-the-2020-dem-pres-candidate-presumably-biden/850380 "2020-03-27T00:27:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2020, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-be-the-main-talking-points-of-the-2020-dem-pres-candidate-presumably-biden/850380/81 "2020-05-17T21:53:10Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I truly do not know how a reasonable Biden fights this level of monumental ignorance and wrongheadedness. Becoming similarly **un** reasonable won’t work. He can’t, which is why he will lose. Only a candidate with sufficient personal charisma can carry the day in this situation, and Biden manifestly lacks it. ---
**Author:** ![faync1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@faync1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/faync1)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-be-the-main-talking-points-of-the-2020-dem-pres-candidate-presumably-biden/850380/82 "2020-05-18T10:35:35Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > "\*t will only be after they can no longer deny that the predictions weren’t “hype”, that cases of COVID and deaths due to COVID actually did skyrocket just as predicted, that they will be able to see that they are wrong. And that’s the only thing that might even possibly change their vote." > > I have a feeling that even if COVID kills off everyone in their small-ish flyover town (including their mother in the nursing home), it will somehow still be the Dems’ and the media’s fault. (A), I don’t live in a “smallish flyover town.” I live in Fayetteville, NC, with a population of over 500,000 in the metropolitan area (including Ft. Bragg). (2), There is no reason why there should be some massive resurgence of COVID. I know you desperately want and need there to be one because you think it finally gives you something that will help defeat President Trump, but it (the resurgence) isn’t going to happen. The virus has done most of what it is going to do. There might be a resurgence if the entire country was coming out of quarantine, but we are not. Many states had no formal stay-at-home orders, and ones that did have them, like mine, were only pretend; as I said earlier, people were out and about constantly the entire time, going to Walmart, home improvement stores, etc. Finally, to the extent that people do remember, and vote based on, COVID, later, it won’t affect President Trump; it will affect their governors and mayors. Most people do not see the actions or inactions of President Trump as affecting their day-to-day lives. It is their governors and mayors that closed their businesses, closed their nail and hair salons, closed their barbershops, closed their churches (but let the used-car lots and liquor stores stay open) long past when there was any hospital-space-based need for it. It is their governors and mayors that will get blamed for still not allowing these businesses to open now. They will get the brunt of voter wrath if any, not President Trump. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-be-the-main-talking-points-of-the-2020-dem-pres-candidate-presumably-biden/850380/83 "2020-05-18T10:47:54Z")
> [@faync1](#): > > (A), I don’t live in a “smallish flyover town.” I live in Fayetteville, NC, with a population of over 500,000 in the metropolitan area (including Ft. Bragg). Well then, I guess my remarks have nothing to do with you. But thanks for playing anyway. > [@](#): > > (2), There is no reason why there should be some massive resurgence of COVID. I know you desperately want and need there to be one because you think it finally gives you something that will help defeat President Trump, but it (the resurgence) isn’t going to happen. The virus has done most of what it is going to do. There might be a resurgence if the entire country was coming out of quarantine, but we are not. Many states had no formal stay-at-home orders, and ones that did have them, like mine, were only pretend; as I said earlier, people were out and about constantly the entire time, going to Walmart, home improvement stores, etc. > > Finally, to the extent that people do remember, and vote based on, COVID, later, it won’t affect President Trump; it will affect their governors and mayors. Most people do not see the actions or inactions of President Trump as affecting their day-to-day lives. It is their governors and mayors that closed their businesses, closed their nail and hair salons, closed their barbershops, closed their churches (but let the used-car lots and liquor stores stay open) long past when there was any hospital-space-based need for it. It is their governors and mayors that will get blamed for still not allowing these businesses to open now. They will get the brunt of voter wrath if any, not President Trump. Yes, I see. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-be-the-main-talking-points-of-the-2020-dem-pres-candidate-presumably-biden/850380/84 "2020-05-18T13:22:05Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The people I know online feel this way. The people I know in real life, the apolitical ones, really don’t keep up with what Trump is up to. But they do watch the ads served up during American Idol and Law and Order reruns. > > I see Trump’s robust social media campaign working. I see my nephews friends and coworkers reaping reward points for getting their friends to text Trump. I see people that don’t follow politics disbelieving real information and buying into the Republican narrative. People out in the real world are blaming the Democrats and not Trump for the coronavirus response. All this wonderful and accurate reporting on the abject failure of the coronavirus response and the trashing of the rule of law isn’t reaching anyone that needs to see it. But the endless Trump ads are. > > He’s winning, he’s kicking our asses right now. His campaign knows what they’re doing and they’re laughing their asses off at what’s going on inside the liberal bubble. It’s heartbreaking. I’m going to place a huge bet on Trump on one of the prediction sites. Thousands of dollars. That way if he wins, and he probably will, I’ll get a huge sum of money that will prevent me from literally going suicidal. If he loses, I’ll be so happy I won’t care that I lost 5K or so. It’s the only why I can survive the upcoming trainwreck that is a November. Interesting. Just be careful about extrapolating your experiences to the whole. I’m likely guilty of that as well. But here’s my anecdotal info from my family and friend contacts in rural Ohio: while there’s still some relatives and friends who say they support Trump, most won’t say they support him. They talk about things like “character”, “faith”, “respect” without explicitly saying anything about the president. This is a bad sign for Trump. There’s going to be a lot of people who vote for someone who’s not the incumbent president, even if they don’t tell anyone. And I know two relatives who’ve told me they changed their registration from R to D (both women over 50). That is not good for Republicans. Now maybe Ohio is different because the governor is Republican and he’s handled the pandemic response well enough that they know how incompetent the federal response is. I don’t know. I also know several former Trump supporters in SoCal who say they’re fed up with him because of his pandemic failures. They know people who got sick and how serious it is. But California is very different from the rest of the union. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-be-the-main-talking-points-of-the-2020-dem-pres-candidate-presumably-biden/850380/85 "2020-05-18T18:52:18Z")
Here’s U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio on how Biden can win the state and, very likely, the Presidency: [Sherrod Brown Explains How Joe Biden Can Win Ohio](https://www.thedailybeast.com/sherrod-brown-explains-how-joe-biden-can-win-ohio) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-be-the-main-talking-points-of-the-2020-dem-pres-candidate-presumably-biden/850380/86 "2020-05-18T19:14:48Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Here’s U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio on how Biden can win the state and, very likely, the Presidency: [Sherrod Brown Explains How Joe Biden Can Win Ohio](https://www.thedailybeast.com/sherrod-brown-explains-how-joe-biden-can-win-ohio) Thanks to the fact that articles are no longer written in the inverted pyramid style (making the main point up-front), you have to plow through a lot of blather to get to this point, which I think is correct: > [@](#): > > …So can Biden be a 40 percenter in those parts of Ohio? Brown says he can be: “Biden has a sort of an emotional and reputational connection with workers. And he’d talk about it every single day—about the moderate-wage, low-wage workers, union or not. Most of them are women. Many of them are people of color. A lot of them are white men, too. And a lot of them are unionized. And those are the people that have, again, been forgotten during this pandemic.” > > He hopes one thing that people learn during this pandemic is that “government is really, really important in their lives. The private sector isn’t going to cure them. The private sector isn’t gonna staff the hospitals, the private sector isn’t going to pay out unemployment benefits and get help for people. The private sector can’t entirely fund food banks. I mean, there are many, many generous people in this society that are doing a lot of important things, but the role of government is increasingly important.” > > That’s apparent to him and to me. But it needs to be apparent to enough voters in November. And not just at the presidential level, because **as everyone knows, even if Biden wins, it’s worth little unless the Democrats can retake the Senate.** > … The private sector can’t do it all! People need government to work for them. This is what Biden and the Dems have to emphasize. Not what an SOB trump is–that didn’t work for Hillary and it won’t work this time. Everyone (even the Republicans) know he’s an SOB. Change the subject already! This crisis has shown how important a responsible, organized, unified, competent federal government is. I bolded THE most important thing: “…as everyone knows, even if Biden wins, it’s worth little unless the Democrats can retake the Senate.” Otherwise it’s four more years of deadlock. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-be-the-main-talking-points-of-the-2020-dem-pres-candidate-presumably-biden/850380.md?page=4)