# What should happen to Democrat sanctuary cities? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 17, 2017, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031 "2017-02-17T09:21:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/41 "2017-02-17T17:13:24Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Anti-American renegade Democrat mayors do not get to pick and choose which laws they will follow Yeah, actually they do. > [@](#): > > and they will soon feel the full wrath of the federal govt coming down on them. Sounds like your fantasy world doesn’t have an independent judiciary. That sounds fascinating, but it doesn’t apply to reality. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/42 "2017-02-17T17:17:24Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > And: > > 1. To appeal and respond to their ethnic population, who, regardless of immigration status, are feeling more and more under scrutiny and unwelcome in the current political climate. This doesn’t change policy, but reassures constituents/community members that the local government is with them, and not against them. Any and all illegal aliens currently illegally residing within the borders of the USA should feel worried and threatened, as they are illegal intruders who are currently illegally residing in a country where they are not allowed to be. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/43 "2017-02-17T17:23:30Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > If you are here legally, you have 1 of about 3 things. This is wrong wrong wrong. But it’s not your fault. Immigration law is pretty complicated. Which is one of the very good reasons for not having it enforced by people who aren’t specially trained to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/44 "2017-02-17T17:25:26Z")
With all this talk of withholding federal funding from sanctuary cities - how much federal funding is this exactly, and what impact would its absence have? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/45 "2017-02-17T17:32:36Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Any and all illegal aliens currently illegally residing within the borders of the USA should feel worried and threatened, as they are illegal intruders who are currently illegally residing in a country where they are not allowed to be. Which state do you live in? Which city? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/46 "2017-02-17T17:33:17Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > With all this talk of withholding federal funding from sanctuary cities - how much federal funding is this exactly, and what impact would its absence have? According to this, it is around 27 Billion. _**We found nearly $27 billion ($26.74 billion to be exact) in federal funding (FY2016) for America’s 106 Sanctuary Cities**_ > **[Mapping $27 Billion In Federal Funding Of America's Sanctuary Cities](https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2017/02/02/mapping-27-billion-in-federal-funding-of-americas-sanctuary-cities/)** > > In the President Donald Trump-era, there could be a high-cost to running a sanctuary city... Losing such funds will obviously be a heavy burden on poorly run Democrat cities that are already struggling financially. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/47 "2017-02-17T17:34:22Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Which state do you live in? Which city? Donald Trump and I both come from the same city. As a matter of fact, we were both born in the same city also. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/48 "2017-02-17T17:40:06Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > It should be illegal at the federal, state, and local levels for employers to hire illegal aliens. Fine the employer an increasing amount for each, and every, illegal alien they hire. > > There will be far fewer illegal aliens for sanctuary cities to harbor. Ding ding ding! We have a winner! As long as there is a demand for cheap (below market wages) and quiet (can’t complain of working violations due to ignorance or fear of deportation), there will be those who attempt to work there. Those companies can take those advantages and pocket the rest, increase market share, blahblahblah. It’s the free market at work! Start with E-Verify. Fully implement it, require it, and fund it. It’s impressive how many people DON’T move somewhere if there’s no jobs. Strangely enough, a comparable fix could help the decades-long, bottomless, ineffective War on Drugs. Crazy! Aaaaaand I just agreed with doorhinge. Am I going to go blind? ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/49 "2017-02-17T17:43:27Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > It should be illegal at the federal, state, and local levels for employers to hire illegal aliens. Fine the employer an increasing amount for each, and every, illegal alien they hire. > > There will be far fewer illegal aliens for sanctuary cities to harbor. I agree with that. Any employer hiring any illegal alien should be fined and potentially prosecuted. The war against illegal aliens should be waged on all fronts, employing multiple tactics. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/50 "2017-02-17T17:44:20Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I realize these may be difficult questions for you, **Mr. Pinky** , but do exert yourself. Post the answers here, if you solve them. People will take you more seriously if you appear to have a clue. It’s challenging to find a way to not construe these comments as personal insults. I think I can do it so I will. I advise you to refrain from making me exercise this level of judgment in the future and to dial back these types of personal remarks. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/51 "2017-02-17T17:49:58Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Any and all illegal aliens currently illegally residing within the borders of the USA should feel worried and threatened, as they are illegal intruders who are currently illegally residing in a country where they are not allowed to be. What that has to do with what I posted I haven’t the foggiest notion. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/52 "2017-02-17T17:51:39Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I agree with that. > > Any employer hiring any illegal alien should be fined and potentially prosecuted. > > The war against illegal aliens should be waged on all fronts, employing multiple tactics. Is there some reason this is so high on your list of things to be concerned about? What specifically do you fear will happen to you if these people that you don’t like are not banished from the nation? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/53 "2017-02-17T17:54:28Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I believe that it should be routine and police policy for officers to shoot and kill DWI drivers, as any DWI driver poses an immediate and lethal threat that should be eliminated as quickly as possible. I think I may detect a slight flaw in your reasoning: that is, one cannot know definitively whether someone is driving under the influence until they are tested for drugs or alcohol. At that point they are in custody and therefore no longer the immediate danger that you claim. So, it would appear that your position is “shoot (all erratic drivers) first, test later”. Good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/54 "2017-02-17T18:31:52Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I think I may detect a slight flaw in your reasoning: that is, one cannot know definitively whether someone is driving under the influence until they are tested for drugs or alcohol. At that point they are in custody and therefore no longer the immediate danger that you claim. So, it would appear that your position is “shoot (all erratic drivers) first, test later”. > > Good luck with that. I wasn’t just thinking about erratic drivers, but also for example a car that is pulled over by a police officer and the driver reeks of alcohol and then they attempt to drive away. I believe that should be sufficient cause to shoot to kill. The alcohol or drug level amount could be tested later, during their autopsy, to validate the actions taken by the officer. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/55 "2017-02-17T18:38:30Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I wasn’t just thinking about erratic drivers, but also for example a car that is pulled over by a police officer and the driver reeks of alcohol and then they attempt to drive away. > > I believe that should be sufficient cause to shoot to kill. The alcohol or drug level amount could be tested later, during their autopsy, to validate the actions taken by the officer. You must really hate the U.S. Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/56 "2017-02-17T18:44:24Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > I wasn’t just thinking about erratic drivers, but also for example a car that is pulled over by a police officer and the driver reeks of alcohol and then they attempt to drive away. > > I believe that should be sufficient cause to shoot to kill. The alcohol or drug level amount could be tested later, during their autopsy, to validate the actions taken by the officer. I think you’d end up getting a lot of people throwing/pouring alcohol over the cars of people they don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/57 "2017-02-17T18:45:37Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > If you are here legally, you have 1 of about 3 things. > ID, a SSN, or a green card. Checking any of those isn’t a YEARS long requirement. Checking that an individual person has one of those things isn’t a years long requirement. But checking that every person who pays a parking ticket, gets a dog license or sign their kids up for swimming lessons has one will take multiple person-years - which I think is what \*\*RickJay \*\*is talking about. Adding an extra couple of minutes to each transaction for a million transactions will increase the workload enough to require hiring extra people. Let’s say , for example, each transaction takes two extra minutes and there are 60,000 transactions per year. That’s 120,000 extra minutes. Which is 2000 hours and roughly the equivalent of an additional full-time employee. Bigger city, more transactions, more additional worker-years , although I think he underestimated - a million transactions per year taking even 1 minute extra would be 500 person-years according to my calculations. Not to mention the costs beyond the cost of actually checking the immigration status . Like the costs of children not being educated , or people not being treated for communicable diseases, or people not reporting crimes or giving information to the police for fear that registering their children in school or going to the clinic or talking to the police will result in deportation. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/58 "2017-02-17T18:46:18Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > You must really hate the U.S. Constitution. Certainly not any more than many liberals and democrats who wish to deny the rights of Americans to be able to arm and defend themselves and certainly not any more than many liberals and democrats who actively support illegal immigration. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/59 "2017-02-17T18:48:11Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > I think you’d end up getting a lot of people throwing/pouring alcohol over the cars of people they don’t like. Would these people also be able to force alcohol down the throats of people that they don’t like? When talking to a drunk, it is quite easy to detect their alcohol breath. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-happen-to-democrat-sanctuary-cities/780031/60 "2017-02-17T18:55:38Z")
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