# What should US liberal do now? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504 "2017-01-29T15:15:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Navy\_draftee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ec9cab/32.png) [@Navy\_draftee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Navy_draftee)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/41 "2017-01-30T15:56:38Z")
pick a presidential candidate in 2020 who isn’t carrying tons of baggage and knows how to win. (Hillary lost the primary in 2008 and the general election last Nov ) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/42 "2017-01-30T16:17:11Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > [From the [Registration Agreement](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=650726): > ] > > Do not do this again. > > [/Moderating] I think we are going to see a lot of spam modding. I was not aware that you couldn’t post phone numbers (I’ve seen phone numbers and addresses to congressional offices). Or donation lines (I’ve seen numbers for disaster relief donation numbers). I’ve even seen gofundme and kickstarter links. I’m not saying you’re wrong or inconsistent, just that we are all going to be getting a lesson on what constitutes spam (which I always thought mean advertising a for profit enterprise in the hopes of getting people to buy my product or service). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/43 "2017-01-30T16:20:32Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I would realize that in this day and age what people see on Youtube videos make a bigger impression than what they see in the lame street media. Look up videos of SJW (social justice warriors) doing and saying crazy things. Also Google “feminist cringe”. > Sure the inauguration day protesters had their fun with their pink hats and vagina costumes but the lingering effect from the videos will always be there. We ALL have our embarrassing relatives. I can probably youtube an incredibly embarrassing Republican for every embarrassing Democrat yu could come up with and we would both be dead of old age before either of us ran out. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/44 "2017-01-30T17:32:31Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > We ALL have our embarrassing relatives. I can probably youtube an incredibly embarrassing Republican for every embarrassing Democrat yu could come up with and we would both be dead of old age before either of us ran out. I guess you can try. However on the web its clearly the left who are looking like the bigger idiots. I mean that post inauguration stuff was just one big wacko, leftie, circus begging to be exposed. What gets me is why dont the organizers of such events police and control the participants better? For example, when people show up in a vagina costume or some other wacko outfit, tell them to go somewhere else. I mean they go after counter-protesters. Why not police their own? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/45 "2017-01-30T17:40:23Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > …For example, when people show up in a vagina costume or some other wacko outfit, tell them to go somewhere else… Did you see what Kellyanne Conway wore to the inauguration? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/46 "2017-01-30T17:43:38Z")
> [@Typo\_Knig](#): > > … > 2. Write or call your elected officials. They need political cover to oppose Trump, Trump’s policies, and Trump nominees. Betsy DeVos _might_ lose her nomination vote as Secretary of Education because thousands of people wrote letters opposing her. At least 2 Republican Senators have publicly stated they are on the fence about her. > > Here’s a web site with all the US Senators’ contact information: [U.S. Senate:](https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/) > > Here are some web sites with advice about writing your Senators and Representative: [How to be effective about contacting your senator: What Really Happens When You Call?](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/10/91524/-) > > [http://www.altaread.org/letter-senator.asp](http://www.altaread.org/letter-senator.asp) > > [http://usgovinfo.about.com/.../usco.../a/letterscongress.htm](http://usgovinfo.about.com/.../usco.../a/letterscongress.htm) > > [How to Write a Letter to Your United States Senator](http://m.wikihow.com/Write-a-Letter-to-Your-United-States-Senator) > > You’ll have to find out the address for your Representative, and for your members of the state house. And don’t forget your Governor if the issue has implications to your state. > > Senators and Representatives give much higher priority to constituent contacts than non-constituent. So contact your Congresspeople even if the topic is outside of their purview. I wrote to every Senator on the committee about the DeVos nomination, plus my home state Senators, plus the Committee address. I should have written to the leaders (President Pro tem, Majority/Minority Leaders/“Whips”/etc.). And I should have written the White House as well - all next time. > > Elected officials consider postal letters the most important reflection of voters’ opinion, particularly if they are not form letters. Postcards from people are only a little less weighted, unless they are form letters from lobbying groups - then they are given much less weight. Next is phone calls - and in this administration there may not be time for letters. A faxed letter might be between post and phone, I’m not sure. Contacts on their official web pages are a distant fourth after post, fax, and phone. Emails are an even more distant fifth, particularly if they are form letters. > … Well, I tried calling some elected representatives. They are not answering the phone and their voicemail is full. I expect that will be true a lot of the time. I guess I should whip out the stamps and paper. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/47 "2017-01-30T17:45:50Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I think we are going to see a lot of spam modding. I was not aware that you couldn’t post phone numbers (I’ve seen phone numbers and addresses to congressional offices). Or donation lines (I’ve seen numbers for disaster relief donation numbers). I’ve even seen gofundme and kickstarter links. > > I’m not saying you’re wrong or inconsistent, just that we are all going to be getting a lesson on what constitutes spam (which I always thought mean advertising a for profit enterprise in the hopes of getting people to buy my product or service). Yeah, the moderation surprised me, too. We are still supposed to post links to sources of information, right? Should I go to “about this message board” to ask for clarification? ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/48 "2017-01-30T23:41:27Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I mean that post inauguration stuff was just one big wacko, leftie, circus begging to be exposed. Funny, that’s what we all said about the first Tea Party rallies a few years back. Bring on the wackos, I say… it obviously works. ---
**Author:** ![Turpentine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecd19e/32.png) [@Turpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turpentine)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/49 "2017-02-01T21:01:24Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > However on the web its clearly the left who are looking like the bigger idiots. Hey there. Confirmation bias much? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/50 "2017-02-06T13:44:19Z")
I’ve decided to support traditional news, with reporters and editors. Bought subscriptions to few news sources. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/51 "2017-02-06T15:29:49Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I guess you can try. However on the web its clearly the left who are looking like the bigger idiots. I mean that post inauguration stuff was just one big wacko, leftie, circus begging to be exposed. > > What gets me is why dont the organizers of such events police and control the participants better? For example, when people show up in a vagina costume or some other wacko outfit, tell them to go somewhere else. I mean they go after counter-protesters. Why not police their own? They did. They banned pro-life feminists from the march. [Anti-abortion feminism - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-life_feminism) The idiots on the web have been on the left recently because the left lost its mind after Trump got elected. Frankly, I was out of my mind for a few weeks as well but I was generally fine by Thanksgiving, others have not recovered as quickly. Its not like the right didn’t lose their mind when we elected a black president. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/52 "2017-02-06T17:15:58Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > They did. They banned pro-life feminists from the march. [Anti-abortion feminism - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-life_feminism) > > The idiots on the web have been on the left recently because the left lost its mind after Trump got elected. Frankly, I was out of my mind for a few weeks as well but I was generally fine by Thanksgiving, others have not recovered as quickly. > > Its not like the right didn’t lose their mind when we elected a black president. Cite that they “banned pro-life feminists”? ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/53 "2017-02-06T18:11:10Z")
Republicans in government didn’t give us Trump, the voters did. I think this crapstorm will just have to play its ugly self out and there really isn’t anything anyone can do until folks in the heartland wake up - I mean this in the sense that without Hoover, the Great Depression and the prolonged misery of the thirties we probably wouldn’t have had FDR. I’m gonna watch some movies and read some good books and just wait, although I’m kinda old and probably won’t be around for the ultimate reckoning. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/54 "2017-02-06T19:56:01Z")
> [@pohjonen](#): > > I’m gonna watch some movies and read some good books and just wait, although I’m kinda old and probably won’t be around for the ultimate reckoning. I heartily co-sign your self-prescription if that’s going to keep you happy and healthy. Sounds pretty awesome. I’m sorry for choosing your comment as an example, but I want to gently point out to others that being able to “just wait” is a luxury for many Americans. And that many more of us who might be able to wait things out feel like solidarity compels us to not wait it out, either. Though each individual effort is probably futile - or possibly counterproductive, if we’re carrying a giant vagina puppet. That’s why “calm down,” “give him a chance,” and “police what the people at your protest are wearing” are not things I plan on doing until something changes to bring gentility, civility, and Doing Leftish Politics The Right Way to the top of my to-do list. ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/55 "2017-02-06T20:33:03Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > I heartily co-sign your self-prescription if that’s going to keep you happy and healthy. Sounds pretty awesome. > > I’m sorry for choosing your comment as an example, but I want to gently point out to others that being able to “just wait” is a luxury for many Americans. And that many more of us who might be able to wait things out feel like solidarity compels us to not wait it out, either. Though each individual effort is probably futile - or possibly counterproductive, if we’re carrying a giant vagina puppet. > > That’s why “calm down,” “give him a chance,” and “police what the people at your protest are wearing” are not things I plan on doing until something changes to bring gentility, civility, and Doing Leftish Politics The Right Way to the top of my to-do list. Well, I’m not convinced (judging by some of my own relatives) that the people who voted him in are amenable to changing their minds until they themselves are suffering from the policies that will be coming down the pike. And I do mean “great depression” type suffering. I predict that they won’t wake up until it is their personal ox getting gored. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/56 "2017-02-06T20:43:39Z")
> [@pohjonen](#): > > Well, I’m not convinced (judging by some of my own relatives) that the people who voted him in are amenable to changing their minds until they themselves are suffering from the policies that will be coming down the pike. And I do mean “great depression” type suffering. I predict that they won’t wake up until it is their personal ox getting gored. Sounds absolutely plausible, and I’m sorry I didn’t emphasize that in my response. I was just trying to say that this inertia (and it’s probably real inertia) shouldn’t be used as an argument against progressive attempts at change\* - because some leftish people don’t feel like they, or people they care about, will make it whole through the first stages of that suffering. \*Which isn’t an argument you were making, pohjonen - so, again, sorry for using a small part of your post as a counter-example. I was trying to draw a connection to arguments being made earlier in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/57 "2017-02-06T20:48:38Z")
It’s okay. I wasn’t taking your post as a personal dig. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/58 "2017-02-06T21:47:48Z")
> [@pohjonen](#): > > It’s okay. I wasn’t taking your post as a personal dig. Right on! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504/59 "2017-02-06T21:48:04Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Part of the problem is that many working class whites subscribe to the GOP narrative. Yes indeed. And what the Democratic Party must do is demonstrate that it is the party of labor, both organized and unorganized. Go to war against Taft-Hartley. Support unions and unionization whenever and wherever possible. Become the party of labor. Refrain from demonizing white working-class people. If liberals (progressives, whatever you call them/us) give the impression that they think working-class white people are ignorant hillbillies, we’ve lost them. Instead, demonize Wall Street. Groom candidates without ties to Wall Street. We saw that being linked to Wall Street sure as hell didn’t help Hillary Clinton. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-should-us-liberal-do-now/778504.md?page=2)