# What subjective opinion are you most unshakably certain of?

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [November 18, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-subjective-opinion-are-you-most-unshakably-certain-of/674198 "2013-11-18T19:37:10Z")\
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**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2013, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-subjective-opinion-are-you-most-unshakably-certain-of/674198/181 "2013-12-15T08:53:16Z")

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–I love the Beatles, but they get way too much credit for “Tomorrow Never Knows”. They were not a psychedelic band, and it is not that amazing that the same guys who started with “Love Me Do” might record **one** psychedelic song a few years later. And I stress “one”. Okay, we did a trippy song, let’s get back to rock’n’roll.

–If you figure out the twist/ending of a movie before the reveal, it’s entirely possible that you were meant to do so. Maybe not every director or screenwriter thinks their audience is stupid. They’re not all M. Night, hiding behind the door, waiting to jump out and say “Ha, you didn’t see that coming did you! Nyah!” If you figured it out ahead of time, it doesn’t mean you’re a genius. It means you’re intelligent and you’re observant…of the indicators that you were probably meant to notice.

– **Citizen Kane** is a good movie.

– **Conan the Barbarian** is a good movie. For what it is.

– **The Help** is one of the worst books published in the last ten years. I’d even put it below **Fifty Shades**.

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**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-subjective-opinion-are-you-most-unshakably-certain-of/674198/182 "2013-12-16T18:07:57Z")

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American Football is, if not the perfect, a near perfect sport.

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**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-subjective-opinion-are-you-most-unshakably-certain-of/674198/183 "2013-12-16T18:19:41Z")

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Most American food is a challenge to see how our culture can stuff the most fat, salt, and calories into one meal.

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**Author:** ![DChord568](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@DChord568](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DChord568)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-subjective-opinion-are-you-most-unshakably-certain-of/674198/184 "2013-12-17T19:25:45Z")

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> [@Orwell](#):
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> Combining your two sentences provides my rebuttal to your second assertion: Brian May is a better guitarist than Beck. So is Eddie Van Halen, Mark Knopfler, Alex Lifeson and a few others.
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> Which brings me to an unshakable opinion: Rush features the most talented musicians of any three-member rock band. And more talented than most larger groups.

It is my unshakable opinion that I would rather undergo a root canal than be forced to listen to Rush. Talented musicians do not necessarily produce listenable music.

Of course, YMMV, and that’s as it should be.

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**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-subjective-opinion-are-you-most-unshakably-certain-of/674198/185 "2013-12-17T19:51:12Z")

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> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#):
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> Most American food is a challenge to see how our culture can stuff the most fat, salt, and calories into one meal.

You left out sugar.

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**Author:** ![DChord568](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@DChord568](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DChord568)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-subjective-opinion-are-you-most-unshakably-certain-of/674198/186 "2013-12-17T19:53:28Z")

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> [@WordMan](#):
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> No one comes close to Jeff Beck on electric guitar.

Jeff Beck is my favorite rock guitarist behind Hendrix. However, my view is based entirely on his work with The Yardbirds.

I can respect what he has done since then and recognize the talent behind it, but instrumental jazz-rock just doesn’t speak to me.

What almost no one recognizes is that Beck basically _invented_ rock (as opposed to rock ‘n’ roll) guitar playing in The Yardbirds.

Don’t believe it? Find a single example of really loud, in-your-face, sustained, distorted guitar work in the context of a rock/pop song pre-1965.

You had Link Wray, but he played only instrumentals, a different animal. The closest you’ll come is The Kinks’ “All Day and All of the Night” (which was late 1964). I love it to death, but Beck took it to a different level with The Yardbirds.

The fortunate thing was that Beck did this in a very inventive, musical way. It’s a shame he doesn’t get more credit for it.

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**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-subjective-opinion-are-you-most-unshakably-certain-of/674198/187 "2013-12-17T20:25:41Z")

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[QUOTE=sisu;16859369/]  
… Waterworld is the worst movie ever…  
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Sorry, it’s the Nick Cage remake of _The Wicker Man_. The is a school of thought, though, that it is _so_ bad that it is so bad that it circles around and becomes a hilariously entertaining inadvertent comedy. Sometimes I believe this myself.

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**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-subjective-opinion-are-you-most-unshakably-certain-of/674198/188 "2013-12-18T21:11:49Z")

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> [@NDP](#):
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> You left out sugar.

Sugar would be the good news. Now it’s high fructose corn syrup.

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