# What the Christ? Do conservatives enjoy abusing children or what?! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2018, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994 "2018-03-04T03:07:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/1 "2018-03-04T03:07:06Z")
> **[Kentucky Bill To Outlaw Child Marriage Stalled Amid Conservative Concerns](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kentucky-bill-child-marriage_n_5a9acca4e4b0a0ba4ad3d03f)** > > The Family Foundation of Kentucky opposes child marriage but wants to preserve parents’ say in their kids’ lives. This should be a no-brainer: pass a law to protect children against sexual assault dressed up as “marriage”. And yet, here we have conservatives stalling on what ought to be common sense. What the actual fuck?! I never want to hear conservatives talk about sexual misconduct ever again - they are the original sinners in the eyes of the lord. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/2 "2018-03-04T03:44:33Z")
Remember: child molestation is OK in the eyes of Republicans if it’s a Good Christian Man doing it. cf. Moore, Roy. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/3 "2018-03-04T03:54:08Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > [Kentucky Bill To Outlaw Child Marriage Stalled Amid Conservative Concerns | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kentucky-bill-child-marriage_us_5a9acca4e4b0a0ba4ad3d03f) > > This should be a no-brainer: pass a law to protect children against sexual assault dressed up as “marriage”. And yet, here we have conservatives stalling on what ought to be common sense. What the actual fuck?! I never want to hear conservatives talk about sexual misconduct ever again - they are the original sinners in the eyes of the lord. You know I have little patience with a lot of Christian conservatives, but this article buries the lede: > [@](#): > > Mary Kunze, a spokeswoman for the Family Foundation of Kentucky, told HuffPost that the group supports the bill overall, but wanted changes to the provision allowing a 17-year-old to get married with a judge’s consent. Kunze said they wanted it to make clear that a parent must also agree to the marriage. So what they’re asking for is a stricter bill, not a looser one. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/4 "2018-03-04T03:59:02Z")
Holy crap, I thought that went out in the early 1900s. Thank god it’s not Arkansas, we are usually the worst at everything. Of course we still have a high teen pregnancy rate, they just dont get hitched I guess. Man, oh, man shame on Kentucky for not throwing that out. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/5 "2018-03-04T04:17:13Z")
You folks may have been reading different versions of the article. The paragraphs explaining that conservative groups want to _add_ a requirement for parental consent, in addition to consent from a judge, was added after the article was first posted. So calm the outrage. If the conservative groups’ proposed addition is accepted, 17 year old who wants to get married will need to convince their parents _and_ a judge, which should make such marriages harder, not easier. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/6 "2018-03-04T04:36:55Z")
_Sigh_ Huffington Post. You can’t even look beyond the angle with that site. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/7 "2018-03-04T10:37:31Z")
I’m really not seeing the problem here: > [@Huffington Post](#): > > Mary Kunze, a spokeswoman for the Family Foundation of Kentucky, told HuffPost that the group supports the bill overall, but wanted changes to the provision allowing a 17-year-old to get married with a judge’s consent. Kunze said they wanted it to make clear that a parent must also agree to the marriage. > > “We just want the language cleaned up,” Kunze said. “The compromises have all been made. We’re hoping the bill can come back this next week.” ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/8 "2018-03-04T12:09:46Z")
I thought that was Hillary!? Damn, I can never keep up with these things… ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/9 "2018-03-04T12:28:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Kunze said they wanted it to make clear that a parent must also agree to the marriage. A parent ? Is she really saying that this is problem only for children of single-parents ? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/10 "2018-03-04T12:55:59Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You know I have little patience with a lot of Christian conservatives, but this article buries the lede: > So what they’re asking for is a stricter bill, not a looser one. _ **IF you believe them.** _ Funny that the right-wingers didn’t move on this for decades but are dragging their feet now. Surely they’ll segue into “With parents’ OK, what do we need the judge for?”; but by then those believing the “stricter not looser” apology will have forgotten about the bill. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/11 "2018-03-04T15:09:31Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > _ **IF you believe them.** _ Funny that the right-wingers didn’t move on this for decades but are dragging their feet now. Surely they’ll segue into “With parents’ OK, what do we need the judge for?”; but by then those believing the “stricter not looser” apology will have forgotten about the bill. When that happens you or asahi might have a point. Right now it appears they’re pushing for additional requirements though. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/12 "2018-03-04T15:44:06Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > When that happens you or asahi might have a point. Right now it appears they’re pushing for additional requirements though. Did you not read the part about the child who was forced by her parents to marry her abuser? This isn’t about parents protecting their children-This is about parents _owning_ their children. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/13 "2018-03-04T16:02:56Z")
If you can’t trust a judge from the southern U.S. to have your child’s best interests at heart, who can you trust? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/14 "2018-03-04T16:09:38Z")
In the language that they are pushing, if the judge says no, and the parents say yes, who wins? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/15 "2018-03-04T16:19:49Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > In the language that they are pushing, if the judge says no, and the parents say yes, who wins? The child’s owners. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/16 "2018-03-04T17:43:32Z")
How about if the judge says yes, the parents say yes, but the bride says no. Who wins ? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/17 "2018-03-04T17:57:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The child’s owners. I’m almost certain you’re wrong there: the group asked that “a parent must also agree to the marriage.” “Also” is not an ambiguous word: it means both things must be true. If the parents say yes, and the judge says no, the marriage doesn’t proceed. Unless there’s an error in the article, the conservative group is 100% pushing for more, not less, restrictive language. In this case they’re doing the right thing. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/18 "2018-03-04T17:58:40Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > How about if the judge says yes, the parents say yes, but the bride says no. Who wins ? The child’s owners. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/19 "2018-03-04T18:30:01Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m almost certain you’re wrong there: the group asked that “a parent must also agree to the marriage.” > > “Also” is not an ambiguous word: it means both things must be true. If the parents say yes, and the judge says no, the marriage doesn’t proceed. > > Unless there’s an error in the article, the conservative group is 100% pushing for more, not less, restrictive language. In this case they’re doing the right thing. I think you are correct. I usually like to go the source article in stories from places like HuffPo, and if you do, you will find: > [@](#): > > Westerfield said he is working on the compromise bill that blends parental consent and the ability of courts to overrule it, but “if we can’t find a compromise, maybe I’ll just run it as is. I would support it as is, but I understand the concerns that others have.” He added that getting a version of SB 48 passed by his committee “is my plan and my hope and my intent.” Best, though, to wait until we can actually see the language of the bill. There are probably good ways to “blend” consent and bad ways to do so. The devil is in the details, which should not be surprising. ---
**Author:** ![ticker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@ticker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ticker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994/20 "2018-03-04T18:38:36Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > A parent ? Is she really saying that this is problem only for children of single-parents ? I don’t know how you managed to conclude that. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-christ-do-conservatives-enjoy-abusing-children-or-what/809994.md?page=2)