# What the fu\[del\]c\[/del\]dge is up with Mormons and gay marriage? (amazingly short) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 22, 2009, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938 "2009-04-22T02:58:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/41 "2009-04-22T17:47:21Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I always figured the innermost ring of Hell would be playing an infinite loop of _The 700 Club_. Interspliced with just enough Kirk Cameron movies to make you appreciate Pat Robertson. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/42 "2009-04-22T17:48:23Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I suppose the real hell of it is that Mormons and gays should be allies. We’re both a tiny but overrepresented minority of the population, we’re both feared and painted in outlandish colors and seen as intrinsically misguided and hellbound by the ignorant of other religions, and we’re both seen as “great people on the individual level… it’s their lifestyle I can’t stand”. In fact, pretty much every group that hates gays also hates Mormons, and vice versa, with of course the exception of Mormons. Instead, they ally with their own enemies to do harm to a group that has never done them harm.[/SIZE] I think at least some Mormons are trying to convince the religious right types that “we’re really just like you”. One way to do that is to join the fight against a group that the religious right doesn’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/43 "2009-04-22T17:50:42Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > on-site and live. 🙂 Yeah, that’s the thing. The innermost ring is the set of the 700 Club; and you are part of the live audience. It’s infinitely worse than watching on TV, because you smell the brimstone. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/44 "2009-04-22T18:06:23Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Yeah, that’s the thing. The innermost ring is the set of the 700 Club; and you are part of the live audience. It’s infinitely worse than watching on TV, because you smell the brimstone. And when you try to respond to the factual errors and idiocy, you speak in tongues- totally gibberish- though that’s okay because nobody can hear you anyway. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/45 "2009-04-22T18:16:33Z")
> [@Anne\_Neville](#): > > I think at least some Mormons are trying to convince the religious right types that “we’re really just like you”. One way to do that is to join the fight against a group that the religious right doesn’t like. That’d be my guess too. Add to that a desire to prove they’re really not polygamists. Anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/46 "2009-04-22T18:16:55Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I always figured the innermost ring of Hell would be playing an infinite loop of _The 700 Club_. No, no, no. It’s Book TV. Always and every time about books you don’t give a crap about. (In other words, it isn’t a special Hell version - just regular Book TV.) ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/47 "2009-04-22T18:23:11Z")
But Hell doesn’t have FOX News, even the Devil can’t abide their crap. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/48 "2009-04-22T18:28:24Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > If churches are having tax problems they can go to these guys and their amazingly OTT website intro. > > Needs sound for the full effect. > > [http://www.iccm-1.org/](http://www.iccm-1.org/) That intro gave me seizures. And is that a _robot_ narrating their main page? Is this for real? Am I being Poe’d? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/49 "2009-04-22T18:38:37Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I suppose the real hell of it is that Mormons and gays should be allies. Aside from the fact that I now have a rousing chorus of “Oh, The Mormon and the Homo Should Be Friends” running through my brain, I don’t know that I agree with you. Simply being groups of similar size and (former or current) persecution does not bedfellows make, regardless of strangeness. The LDS are too entrenched in their homophobia to ever listen at this point. I imagine it will be another couple of decades at least until a critical mass is reached in the larger society and another Great Brigham Young Sports Boycott can be raised. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Norse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/big_norse/32/9954_2.png) [@Big\_Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Norse)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/50 "2009-04-22T19:00:51Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Aside from the fact that I now have a rousing chorus of “Oh, The Mormon and the Homo Should Be Friends” … Thank you VERY MUCH for planting that in my brain! Hopefully I can keep from actually singing that out loud this afternoon at work. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/51 "2009-04-22T19:06:23Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > That would be one ring of Hell. Heaven has 3 layers, hell has 7 rings. > > Inner to outer (worst to least hellish) > > 1. Golf Channel > 2. Lifetime > 3. BET > 4. ESPN 2 > 5. Bravo > 6. History Channel > 7. Encore No–the only one in Hell who gets the History Channel is Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/52 "2009-04-22T19:14:26Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > But, can I stay unmarried, get into a lower heaven, and still have HBO? Yes; but if you marry and get into the highest heaven you get all of the HBO channels including HD free, plus the hotel spank-o-vision is available on a pay -per-view basis. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/53 "2009-04-22T19:14:55Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Aside from the fact that I now have a rousing chorus of “Oh, The Mormon and the Homo Should Be Friends” running through my brain I’d deny it but we’d both know I was lying. (I even have some choreography- the big haired prairie women and the big haired prairie women drag queens dance one helluva number.) > [@](#): > > Simply being groups of similar size and (former or current) persecution does not bedfellows make, regardless of strangeness. You just hang out at the wrong bars. > [@](#): > > The LDS are too entrenched in their homophobia to ever listen at this point. I imagine it will be another couple of decades at least until a critical mass is reached in the larger society and another Great Brigham Young Sports Boycott can be raised. I think Anne Neville has a really good point. It’s kind of like the Pawnee brave in _Little Big Man_: _“See? Pawnee friend. Fix this bad Indian for Little White Man.”_ Pawnees… I think that’ll be my new word for Log Cabin Republicans. And I can actually understand “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” reasoning so long as 1- You really _are_ fighting an enemy (and again, other than existing I can’t figure what gays have done to make Mormons regard us as such- NOTHING can affect what marriages their church chooses to acknowledge) 2- The word _friend_ is really _ally_ in this case and it ends the second it’s no longer mutually convenient (i.e. the Baptists and the Pentecostals still see Mormonism as abomination) 3- The _friend_ of convenience will team up against you as soon as it’s convenient to do so ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/54 "2009-04-22T19:49:59Z")
> [@Anne\_Neville](#): > > I think at least some Mormons are trying to convince the religious right types that “we’re really just like you”. One way to do that is to join the fight against a group that the religious right doesn’t like. I don’t think so. I think the Mormons independently just don’t like gays. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/55 "2009-04-22T19:56:42Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > You just hang out at the wrong bars. I’m just a boy who cain’t say no… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/56 "2009-04-22T20:04:57Z")
In the wake of Prop 8, I got involved i an email exchange with a Mormon who had donated heavily in support of the bill. At one point, he brought up the history of polygamy in the Mormon religion, and how it was a great injustice that the government forced Mormons to break up their polygamous marriages. And that was why he supported Prop 8: because he knew how damaging and unfair it was for the government to decide what did and did not constitute a marriage. I attempted to point out the gaping logical flaws in that argument, but at that point, he stopped responding to my e-mails. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/57 "2009-04-22T20:09:46Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > In the wake of Prop 8, I got involved i an email exchange with a Mormon who had donated heavily in support of the bill. At one point, he brought up the history of polygamy in the Mormon religion, and how it was a great injustice that the government forced Mormons to break up their polygamous marriages. And that was why he supported Prop 8: because he knew how damaging and unfair it was for the government to decide what did and did not constitute a marriage. > > I attempted to point out the gaping logical flaws in that argument, but at that point, he stopped responding to my e-mails. Not a reflection on you, **Miller** , but I think I lost IQ points just reading the summary of that one. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/58 "2009-04-22T20:42:11Z")
Does anyone know what the Mormons, in their polygamous days, thought about husbands getting it on with multiple wives at once? Were wives allowed any, shall we say, “liberties”, with other wives? ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/59 "2009-04-22T20:50:18Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Does anyone know what the Mormons, in their polygamous days, thought about husbands getting it on with multiple wives at once? Were wives allowed any, shall we say, “liberties”, with other wives? We covered that - that’s pay per view cable only available in the highest ring… ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938/60 "2009-04-22T20:50:23Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I now have a rousing chorus of “Oh, The Mormon and the Homo Should Be Friends” running through my brain The Mormon and the Homo should be friends. Oh, the Mormon and the Homo should be friends. One man likes to grunt and plough, the other likes to collect cows, But that’s no reason why they cain’t be friends. Minority folks should stick together, Minority folks should all be pals. Homos dance with unwed Mor-men, Mormons dance with unwanted gals. (repeat) I’d like to say a word for the Mormon, He come out west and made a lot of changes He come out west and built a lot of compounds, And built 'em right acrost our Homo ranges. The Mormon is a good and thrifty citizen, no matter what the Homo says of things. You seldom see 'em through a glory hole Unless somebody else is buyin drinks. But the Mormon and the Homo should be friends. Oh, the Mormon and the Homo should be friends. The Homo rejects a comely woman, the Mormon adds her to his harem, but that’s no reason why they can’t be friends. Minority folks should stick together, Minority folks should all be pals. Homos dance with unwed Mor-men, Mormons dance with unwanted gals. I’d like to say a word for the Homo, the road he treads is fabulous yet toilsome. He rides for days on end with jist a bottom for a friend. I sure am feelin’ sorry for the bottom! The Mormon should be sociable with the Homo if he rides by and asks for rest and ramen. Don’t treat him like a louse make him welcome in your house. Remember he removes your competition! Minority folks should stick together, Minority folks should all be pals. Homos dance with unwed Mor-men, Mormons dance with unwanted gals. Enjoy, Steven [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fu-del-c-del-dge-is-up-with-mormons-and-gay-marriage-amazingly-short/493938.md?page=4)