# What the fuck is wrong with Huey Freeman? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 8, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427 "2019-01-08T20:43:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/321 "2019-01-19T10:17:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m not advocating promoting any sort of racism or bigotry or prejudice. I’m just saying that, IMO, standing alongside white supremacists and their enablers/tolerators in mocking/attacking a black guy aids and helps racism, bigotry, and prejudice. And thus I’m not going to do it, and I’ll urge others to also refrain from doing it. This argument makes no sense. You aren’t joining with white supremacists unless you argue what white supremacists do. There are plenty of people out there who are hated by white supremacists for one thing, but hated by the rest of us for others. Will you not say anything bad about Bill Cosby or O.J. Simpson because they are black? White supremacists have attacked both of them, many times. That doesn’t mean any of us who attack them for rape and murder are “joining with them.” **Huey Freedman** has and continues to argue things that are absolutely vile. Nothing in this thread is remotely out of proportion. He continues to defend his racist and ableist theory about autistic people cause by white people because they inbreed. Maybe you don’t care that he’s attacking white people, because he is not in power. Fine. But he’s attacking autistic people, too. And that is _ **NEVER** _ okay. To you think the several autistic people on this board should have to shut up? Do you think the rest of us shouldn’t defend them from this vile, bigoted garbage? No, he’s no murderer or rapist. But utter vileness is coming out of his mouth, and none of this shit is excused by him being an “angry black man.” How could it? How is there any relation between being mistreated by (some) white people all your life, and the stuff he argues about autism? It’s not even like he’s pulled back. He’s just pretend we’re ALL racists so that he can continue spouting his evil, bigoted bullshit. If you think some arguments in this thread are white supremacist, then point them out and argue against them. How can you say you’re standing with someone when you’ve called them out? But you only help white supremacists win if you refuse to go against those who they attack. They’ll just attack the Cosbys and the OJs and you’ll have to sit there and pretend that what they do isn’t so bad. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/322 "2019-01-19T11:02:46Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > You said the words, dude. Own 'em. He said them so he could get the exact reaction he got. That’s\*\* Huey’s \*\*MO: he sneaks in some outrageous and indefensible statement into his post, and when people call him out for it, he gets to call them racist vultures of something. He’s done it, like, five times so far in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Elmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e9a140/32.png) [@Elmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmore)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/323 "2019-01-19T11:26:20Z")
Lol agreed. A typical Huey thread is like Huey: I’m a victim everything is racist I’m a victim I’m a victim I’m a victim you’re all bad people I’m a victim I’m a victim fuck the Jews I’m a victim I’m victim I’m a victim I’m a… Everyone else: Wait, what was that fuck the Jews thing you just… Huey: Look at these vultures ignoring my point! (Repeat for 1000 years) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/324 "2019-01-19T12:36:04Z")
**Covfefe** emailed my personal email and said that he’s taking a break from this board, and gave me permission to mention this. I’m not responding to most of the criticism of my posts in this thread because most of it isn’t really responding to what I was trying to say. Whether I failed to communicate well or some posters are failing to comprehend well, I don’t plan to go any further on it on this thread, nor in the thread opened up to Pit me. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/325 "2019-01-19T14:00:10Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > …I’m not responding to most of the criticism of my posts in this thread because most of it isn’t really responding to what I was trying to say. Whether I failed to communicate well or some posters are failing to comprehend well, I don’t plan to go any further on it on this thread… We understood perfectly well what you said. It’s disingenuous to claim that we’re “failing to comprehend well” without explanation. Your position is simply indefensible. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > …Focusing on the flaws of a black man who may well be a highly flawed individual, but still quite likely (in this America!) has pretty damn good reason for being angry, IMO is providing a small but still real bit of rhetorical aid and comfort to white supremacism. > > Which doesn’t mean no criticism, but IMO a lot in this thread is going well beyond the likely reasonable “hey, you’re being an idiot about autism”, and crossing into that realm of aiding white supremacism… Nobody has criticized Huey just for being angry. I don’t find it credible that all you can see wrong in his bigoted rants is “being an idiot about autism”. He’s clearly a toxic anti-white racist, despising all white people as a monolithic enemy rather than human beings. He’s a misogynist. He peppers his rants with so much toxic vicious bigotry that it’s hard to keep track of all his targets. It’s one thing to listen to the _anger_ of a marginalized person, and nobody’s disputing that we should hear his experience. It’s quite another to hold a marginalized person to a lower standard of moral behavior in his own bigotry, as though the oppression he lives with means that we can’t take his ideas seriously, as though his poor brain must be addled. I think that kind of patronizing double standard is itself perpetuating a racist stereotype of intellectual inferiority. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/326 "2019-01-19T14:07:17Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > It’s disingenuous to claim that we’re “failing to comprehend well” without explanation. Agreed. I didn’t do that. Not really interested in further straw manning. Maybe I just failed to communicate. Not a huge deal. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/327 "2019-01-19T14:12:42Z")
I find Hueys use of ‘thot’ disturbing. It shows a clear disrespect of women and girls. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/328 "2019-01-19T17:05:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m not advocating promoting any sort of racism or bigotry or prejudice. I’m just saying that, IMO, standing alongside white supremacists and their enablers/tolerators in mocking/attacking a black guy aids and helps racism, bigotry, and prejudice. And thus I’m not going to do it, and I’ll urge others to also refrain from doing it. Does the reverse also apply? The next time one of the white racists who post on this board writes something that’s derogatory to black people, should I give it a pass? After all if I mock or attack what he said, I’ll be standing alongside the black supremacists who also oppose him. Or should I choose my targets? Openly oppose the white racists and give a pass to the black racists? But if I’m treating two groups of people differently based on their race, then I’m actually practicing racism despite my stated opposition to it. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/329 "2019-01-19T18:33:11Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Does the reverse also apply? The next time one of the white racists who post on this board writes something that’s derogatory to black people, should I give it a pass? After all if I mock or attack what he said, I’ll be standing alongside the black supremacists who also oppose him. > > Or should I choose my targets? Openly oppose the white racists and give a pass to the black racists? But if I’m treating two groups of people differently based on their race, then I’m actually practicing racism despite my stated opposition to it. Why don’t you tell us where this anti-white racism exists and how it has affected your life as well as your loved ones. I’d also like the specific posts of mine where I suggest that I am a “black supremacist” or where I’ve advocated the killing, murder, or deaths of white people. I know you didn’t add that last part but others have implied it. I patiently await your non-response. After your non-response, I’ll lists the posts here that’s racist against people of color. Thank God for Google, amirite? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/330 "2019-01-19T18:56:42Z")
I don’t really agree black people in the US can be racist against whites, the power dynamic is there, like it or not, and we’re not all brought into the world as equals. Being colord blind, so to speak, means you get to pretend that history didn’t happen and you’re an indvidual judging other individuals without privilege or oppression having anything to do with where you’re at in life. “I don’t hate you because my ancestors oppressed your ancestors. Why do you hate me because my ancestors oppressed your ancestors?” How does that make sense? At the same time, I do understand what white people mean when they say this – that they don’t feel personally responsible for racial history and don’t want assumptions made about their character. And Huey makes it a little easy, perhaps on purpose, to bring about the reaction he wants that proves his point. I can understand Huey but also his critics. The inbreeding & autism thing is just whack though. I feel like Huey would rather make people feel bad than make his point. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/331 "2019-01-19T18:57:21Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > We understood perfectly well what you said. It’s disingenuous to claim that we’re “failing to comprehend well” without explanation. Your position is simply indefensible. > > Nobody has criticized Huey just for being angry. I don’t find it credible that all you can see wrong in his bigoted rants is “being an idiot about autism”. He’s clearly a toxic anti-white racist, despising all white people as a monolithic enemy rather than human beings. He’s a misogynist. He peppers his rants with so much toxic vicious bigotry that it’s hard to keep track of all his targets. > > It’s one thing to listen to the _anger_ of a marginalized person, and nobody’s disputing that we should hear his experience. It’s quite another to hold a marginalized person to a lower standard of moral behavior in his own bigotry, as though the oppression he lives with means that we can’t take his ideas seriously, as though his poor brain must be addled. I think that kind of patronizing double standard is itself perpetuating a racist stereotype of intellectual inferiority. I’m sorry, I know reading is difficult which is why I’ve been slowing it down for ya’ll. I know writing posts that’s over a paragraph is difficult to read. So, let’s try this: Kuchiyose No Jutsu > [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > …I called ya’ll animals and thots, I called ya’ll autistic and inbred - _so the fuck what?_ - that’s comparable to Grand Dragon Shodan (aka [Komodo Dragon](https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Komodo-dragons-eat-their-young)Shodan) sustained attack on people of color _for the last few decades?_ Are you _this_ fragile? Get a fucking grip. Trust me, bruh, and you take this to the bank: if and when this Republic falls it won’t be because of a “black man’s toxic bigotry”. Best believe that. Thanks, Huey. Now, because I know ya’ll thots reject paragraphs and find [reading difficult](https://www.hookedonphonics.com/) (“his posts are so long”, “the words hurt”, “it’s a block of text”, “I can’t read”), I’ll continue in the next post as I’m sure I’ve reached the maximum amount of words that ya’ll can process. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/332 "2019-01-19T19:00:19Z")
> [@Elmore](#): > > Lol agreed. A typical Huey thread is like > > Huey: I’m a victim everything is racist I’m a victim I’m a victim I’m a victim you’re all bad people I’m a victim I’m a victim fuck the Jews I’m a victim I’m victim I’m a victim I’m a… > > Everyone else: Wait, what was that fuck the Jews thing you just… > > Huey: Look at these vultures ignoring my point! > > (Repeat for 1000 years) Except that I’ve never advocated the murder, killing, or torture of anyone. And, I challenge you hoes to find any word or phrase where I advocated or supported such. I think it says a lot about the whiteness here. I call ya’ll inbred and autistic, and ya’ll immediately go to “What if he advocates the destruction of the Jewish people” or, like our resident 9th grade put forth (paraphrased) “What if he was Bill Cosby or OJ Simpson?” It’s fucking insane and it shows you how deep the white fragility goes. I say something ya’ll hoes don’t like and I’m compared to white monster who exterminated millions of innocent people. Really? Is that where you’re going? Because I called ya’ll autistic and inbred? I say something ya’ll hoes don’t like and I’m compared to a rapist who drugs scores of women? I say something ya’ll hoes don’t like and I’m compared to an ostensible murderer and a thief (of memorabilia)? Wow. Get a fucking a grip. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/333 "2019-01-19T19:07:20Z")
It’s called “an analogy”, or a “what if”? Nobody meant it literally, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/334 "2019-01-19T19:08:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **Covfefe** emailed my personal email and said that he’s taking a break from this board, and gave me permission to mention this. Another one bits the dust. Which, by the way, aside from _Carol of the Bells_, is the best beat white folks ever devised. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/335 "2019-01-19T19:10:18Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > It’s called “an analogy”, or a “what if”? Nobody meant it literally, dude. Yeah,[ok, sure](http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jlaw-whtvr.gif). ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/336 "2019-01-19T19:44:59Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > Another one bits the dust. Which, by the way, aside from _Carol of the Bells_, is the best beat white folks ever devised. Does Farrokh Bulsara sound like a white name to you? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/337 "2019-01-19T20:11:59Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > But they were _white_ mice! > > Regards, > Shodan Imported white mice ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/338 "2019-01-19T20:45:22Z")
> [@WernhamHogg](#): > > I don’t really agree black people in the US can be racist against whites, the power dynamic is there, like it or not, and we’re not all brought into the world as equals. Being colord blind, so to speak, means you get to pretend that history didn’t happen and you’re an indvidual judging other individuals without privilege or oppression having anything to do with where you’re at in life. “I don’t hate you because my ancestors oppressed your ancestors. Why do you hate me because my ancestors oppressed your ancestors?” How does that make sense? > > At the same time, I do understand what white people mean when they say this – that they don’t feel personally responsible for racial history and don’t want assumptions made about their character. And Huey makes it a little easy, perhaps on purpose, to bring about the reaction he wants that proves his point. > > I can understand Huey but also his critics. > > The inbreeding & autism thing is just whack though. I feel like Huey would rather make people feel bad than make his point. Yeah if you redefine words to suit a particular ideology of course the redefined word will not apply to those that are needed to help advance that ideology. Friendly fire when weaponized language is employed is very inconvenient. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/339 "2019-01-19T20:46:55Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > I’m sorry, I know reading is difficult which is why I’ve been slowing it down for ya’ll. I know writing posts that’s over a paragraph is difficult to read. So, let’s try this: > > Kuchiyose No Jutsu > > Thanks, Huey. > > Now, because I know ya’ll thots reject paragraphs and find [reading difficult](https://www.hookedonphonics.com/) (“his posts are so long”, “the words hurt”, “it’s a block of text”, “I can’t read”), I’ll continue in the next post as I’m sure I’ve reached the maximum amount of words that ya’ll can process. Lol. Sensei Huey! ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/340 "2019-01-19T21:00:14Z")
As I understand it, trolling is trolling, even if it’s in the pit. And, also as I understand it, trolling is trolling, even if it’s an actual belief the poster holds. There’s no way I can see that the ludicrous claims of “autistic white people”, the attacks on **Shodan** ’s kids, and the strange use of “hoes” and “thots” can be anything but trolling. It’s a nice little fortress **Huey Freeman** tried to build–posting only in the pit and setting the ground rules early that only autistic white people can be racist while he spews his own racist screeds. This is one of the most ridiculous chain of threads I’ve ever seen here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427.md?page=18)