# What the fuck is wrong with Huey Freeman? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 8, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427 "2019-01-08T20:43:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/41 "2019-01-10T04:01:57Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Oh go fuck yourself, and fuck the OP because all you do with your “both sides” shit is give faux concern to those who are concerned about the radical left, which doesn’t even exist in this society. > > OP, fuck you - you’re an enabler. Hello asahi. Btw, what do the docs have you on for your TDS? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/42 "2019-01-10T04:14:36Z")
Huh. Somehow I never noticed this poster or recognize their name. Reading through this thread, I suppose that’s a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/43 "2019-01-10T04:41:13Z")
Yeah and isn’t he fat too? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/44 "2019-01-10T05:02:24Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Oh go fuck yourself, and fuck the OP because all you do with your “both sides” shit is give faux concern to those who are concerned about the radical left, which doesn’t even exist in this society. > > OP, fuck you - you’re an enabler. Started drinking early, eh? Fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/45 "2019-01-10T06:47:22Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > tl;dr **Huey** is a ableist, racist bastard. > > In the Black Lives Matter Omnibus thread, **Huey** has an extremely odd and offensive fascination with autism. Here’s a sample: > > He uses autism as a pejorative routinely. I struggle to name how many levels of wrong this is. It’s also ignorant as fuck, because he can’t be arsed to actually understand the term and everything it entails. > > Here’s an example of **Huey-speak** where he defends his claim that autism is caused by inbreeding. Oh yeah, also white people are evil. He even gets around to the “one drop” rule, but doesn’t seem to realize that he is arguing the same thing. If there’s one drop of white blood, well then autism it is! > > And this comment? WTF is wrong with you?! Children are not “imports”, fuckwad. > > These quotes barely scratch the surface of **Huey** ’s obsession with autism and his ludicrous notions of race. > > Fuck off, asshole. I await your accusations of racism with bated breath. A few things, I don’t have a lot of time. 1. No, Grand Dragons Shodan’s children are imported and I will continue to use the term. If Grand Dragon Shodan didn’t want his imported children to be referred to as imported children, then he shouldn’t treat them and use their presence as imported handbags. It would be analogous to being anti-autism or ableist and say in response to your criticism “No no, it’s OK, I’m not an ableist because I have an adopted autistic daughter”. This is a kind of virtue signaling that white people do all of the time with the lives of people of color; I’m having none of that virtue signaling shit with bodies of people of color. If you want to eat Grand Dragon Shodan’s shit. Have at it. 2. Because you’re conflating racism and prejudice, I can’t really have a discussion with you. We’re living in two difference universes. From my end, racism requires power and people of color have none. Briefly, let me highlight this for you. People of color have been begging the federal government for “Jobs, Justice, and Peace” and several decades later, people of color still have the highest unemployment rates. A group of white women marched asking for increased teacher pay - I’ll let you figure out whether they were given their teacher pay or not. One group has institutional power, the other does not. This point of view is difficult for white folks to grasp because, individually, white folks don’t perceive themselves as prejudiced or having power. Damn. Got to go. Out of time. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/46 "2019-01-10T06:55:22Z")
Well, that was wimpy. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/47 "2019-01-10T07:00:17Z")
So you’re not even going to attempt to defend what you were called out on. Is this it for your little experiment, then? You did it, you proved at least one person, **asahi** , will still be in your corner even after all that. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/48 "2019-01-10T12:34:59Z")
I think there’s no greater indictment than having \*\*ashai \*\*being the only person who supports you. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/49 "2019-01-10T12:55:25Z")
**HF** ’s posts strike me as the same sort of thing we used to get with those MRA idiots that went on and on poisoning every thread they could shoehorn their personal obsessions into or starting multiple threads on the same topic and bumping them endlessly. Such posts fall into the “Krugerrands in the septic tank” rule - if one spends the time going through them thoroughly one can occasionally find something of worth, but how much excrement are you willing to swim through in order to do so? As a result, I tend to simply scroll past his various angry, incoherent screeds. Whatever he’s attempting to accomplish here, his approach isn’t working. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/50 "2019-01-10T13:13:12Z")
I won’t speculate on what specific types of damage shaped **Huey Freeman** into the, ah, character, that he is today, but it didn’t take long after the departure of **Starving Artist** for another poster to assume the mantle of “person who always claims to be in a hurry to do other (presumably more important) things and yet somehow finds the time to compose countless eye-glazingly unreadable jeremiads that repeat the same tired/half-baked/offensive ideas over and over and over…” (I’ll say it again: we need to shorten that position title - it barely fits into the job listing form.) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/51 "2019-01-10T14:17:08Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I think there’s no greater indictment than having \*\*ashai \*\*being the only person who supports you. I don’t support the words **Huey** uses, or the personal attacks he’s used–although Kdapt knows I am not immune from taking shitty shots at another, and I don’t think any of us are. But I understand whence his anger. I support his emotions entirely. Not all of his behaviors, but definitely the emotion. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/52 "2019-01-10T15:11:45Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I don’t support the words **Huey** uses, or the personal attacks he’s used–although Kdapt knows I am not immune from taking shitty shots at another, and I don’t think any of us are. > > But I understand whence his anger. I support his emotions entirely. Not all of his behaviors, but definitely the emotion. But if he wants people to care about the things he’s angry about, he has to stop being an asshole. That’s Human Interaction 101. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/53 "2019-01-10T15:24:40Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > But if he wants people to care about the things he’s angry about, he has to stop being an asshole. That’s Human Interaction 101. I’m not quite so sure about that, speaking strictly about his pointed criticism of white supremacism in American society. All approaches can be effective or ineffective, with different people, and in different circumstances. The “asshole” confrontational approach can sometimes work (in my younger days, I think this was more effective with me personally). As can the “let me talk about this gently and assure you that you’re a good person” approach. As can the many approaches in between. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/54 "2019-01-10T15:29:45Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I don’t support the words **Huey** uses, or the personal attacks he’s used–although Kdapt knows I am not immune from taking shitty shots at another, and I don’t think any of us are. > > But I understand whence his anger. I support his emotions entirely. Not all of his behaviors, but definitely the emotion. Understanding is one thing. But do you think the great majority of decent and civilized black people would be gratified that you appear to hold them to a lower standard? Those of us who have grown up with privilege - the first thing we should always do is shut up and listen, most especially when listening makes us uncomfortable . But that doesn’t mean we must suspend our critical faculties. It’s important to understand somebody’s lived experience, but that does not mean that their ideas and values must be held immune from examination and criticism. And whatever the color of someone’s skin, when someone tells us who they are - we should believe them. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/55 "2019-01-10T15:31:17Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m not quite so sure about that Yeah, when he calls an adopted child “imported” and talks about calling child protective services on people who disagree with him he’s losing the public relations battle. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/56 "2019-01-10T16:10:57Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > A few things, I don’t have a lot of time. > > 1. No, Grand Dragons Shodan’s children are imported and I will continue to use the term. If Grand Dragon Shodan didn’t want his imported children to be referred to as imported children, then he shouldn’t treat them and use their presence as imported handbags. It would be analogous to being anti-autism or ableist and say in response to your criticism “No no, it’s OK, I’m not an ableist because I have an adopted autistic daughter”. This is a kind of virtue signaling that white people do all of the time with the lives of people of color; I’m having none of that virtue signaling shit with bodies of people of color. If you want to eat Grand Dragon Shodan’s shit. Have at it. > > 2. Because you’re conflating racism and prejudice, I can’t really have a discussion with you. We’re living in two difference universes. From my end, racism requires power and people of color have none. Briefly, let me highlight this for you. People of color have been begging the federal government for “Jobs, Justice, and Peace” and several decades later, people of color still have the highest unemployment rates. A group of white women marched asking for increased teacher pay - I’ll let you figure out whether they were given their teacher pay or not. One group has institutional power, the other does not. This point of view is difficult for white folks to grasp because, individually, white folks don’t perceive themselves as prejudiced or having power. > > Damn. Got to go. Out of time. Racism requires power? What a stupid concept that is used to excuse some pretty vile ideas and people. It’s also untrue that so-called people of color have no power. Please put down the _How to be an Opressed Victim for Dummies_ and get a real education. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/57 "2019-01-10T16:18:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m not quite so sure about that, speaking strictly about his pointed criticism of white supremacism in American society. All approaches can be effective or ineffective, with different people, and in different circumstances. The “asshole” confrontational approach can sometimes work (in my younger days, I think this was more effective with me personally). As can the “let me talk about this gently and assure you that you’re a good person” approach. As can the many approaches in between. Asshole. Regards, Shodan PS - 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/58 "2019-01-10T16:21:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m not quite so sure about that, speaking strictly about his pointed criticism of white supremacism in American society. All approaches can be effective or ineffective, with different people, and in different circumstances. The “asshole” confrontational approach can sometimes work (in my younger days, I think this was more effective with me personally). As can the “let me talk about this gently and assure you that you’re a good person” approach. As can the many approaches in between. Yeah, I don’t see the asshole approach really working here. This board, with its “Don’t be a jerk” Zeroth Law, is not the place for it. \*\*Huey \*\*should have figured that out about a month ago. ---
**Author:** ![Elmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e9a140/32.png) [@Elmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmore)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/59 "2019-01-10T17:56:58Z")
> [@Huey Freeman](#): > > Because you’re conflating racism and prejudice, I can’t really have a discussion with you. We’re living in two difference universes. From my end, racism requires power and people of color have none. Even if that’s true (it’s not but whatever), how does that make your behaviour _here_ not racism? This isn’t the real world. It’s a super liberal message board. You’re not oppressed _here_. If anything you’re privileged here. You call white people animals and monsters and get away with it every time. Any white person saying blacks were animals and monsters would rightly get banned. So how do you justify being so goddamn racist _here_? ---
**Author:** ![Elmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e9a140/32.png) [@Elmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmore)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/60 "2019-01-10T18:07:46Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Those of us who have grown up with privilege - the first thing we should always do is shut up and listen, most especially when listening makes us uncomfortable . But that doesn’t mean we must suspend our critical faculties. It’s important to understand somebody’s lived experience, but that does not mean that their ideas and values must be held immune from examination and criticism This. I’d actually go further. _My_ lived experience has taught me that there’s nothing people are more reliably wrong about than their own lived experience. It’s subjective, selective, and filtered through a vast array of cognitive biases. Lived experience is possibly the worst form of evidence for anything. It’s also a tautology, and sounds really stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427.md?page=4)