# What the fuck is wrong with Huey Freeman? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 8, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427 "2019-01-08T20:43:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/61 "2019-01-10T18:25:32Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > So you’re not even going to attempt to defend what you were called out on. Is this it for your little experiment, then? You did it, you proved at least one person, **asahi** , will still be in your corner even after all that. Defend what? There’s nothing to defend because no argument has been brought up. If the white folks want me out, get your mods to kick me the fuck out. The crux of the argument I am getting is that I am not beginning each sentence with the phrase "With all due respect . . . " or “Massa, I beg your pardon”. The crux of what I am seeing is the following: 1. The nigger is hurting my feelings. He talked bad about the white race. 2. The nigger is making us white liberals look bad, because the nigger’s posts gives “credence to the white persecution fantasy” 3. The nigger is ablelist because he uses autism as a pejorative for white folks who lack [cognitive empathy](https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/60557716.pdf). 4. The nigger is really a white man trolling the board as a nigger. (This[one](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21420815&postcount=23)is my favorite because this one keeps coming up. Wonder why) 5. The nigger writes long posts that are too long and too wordy 5a. The nigger posts are unreadable block of texts 5b. The nigger’s personal experience with racism does not reflect reality and “subjective, selective, and filtered through a vast array of cognitive biases” 5c. The nigger’s lived experience is the “worst form of evidence for anything”. 6a. The nigger is uneducated. 6b. The nigger is an undergraduate 6c. The nigger will fail (or is failing) in his studies 6. The nigger is old. 7. The nigger is young 8. The nigger is angry 9. The nigger is wimpy 10. The nigger is an asshole 11. The nigger shouldn’t call out our beloved Grand Dragon Shodan for using his imported children as props against people of color. 12. The nigger is “[indicted](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21422352&postcount=48)” as a bad person because a white liberal (who we don’t like) supports you. I’ll stop at #13, because Ms. Daze is being selective. In that thread, I pointed out that my theory was cobbled together, in part, due to studies showing inbred of mouse strains that have autistic behaviors.I also pointed out that Somali immigrants have high rates of autism; further, I pointed out that it is documented that Somalians practice inbreeding due to religious reasons. I went ahead and also pointed out that Somalian rates of autism is higher than white folks much lower than people of color as a whole. Taken together, it is my opinion (and I am not forcing it upon anyone) that autism is due, in part, to inbreeding. > **[Unusual Repertoire of Vocalizations in the BTBR T+tf/J Mouse Model of Autism](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003067)** > > BTBR T+ tf/J (BTBR) is an inbred mouse strain that displays social abnormalities and repetitive behaviors analogous to the first and third diagnostic symptoms of autism. Here we investigate ultrasonic vocalizations in BTBR, to address the second... > **[Autism-related behavioral phenotypes in an inbred rat substrain - PubMed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24780868/)** > > Behavioral and genetic differences among Wistar-Kyoto (WKY) rats from different vendors and different breeders have long been observed, but generally overlooked. In our prior work, we found that two closely related WKY substrains, the WKY/NCrl and... [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432808001484](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432808001484) > **[Social behavior deficits in the Fmr1 mutant mouse - PubMed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16343653/)** > > Mice exhibiting deficits in social behavior may provide valuable models for autistic-like behavioral problems. We tested social interactions in male mice from three inbred strains: C57BL/6J (B6), BALB/cJ (C) and DBA/2J (D2). All three strains showed... [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432806004438](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432806004438) > **[Mouse behavioral tasks relevant to autism: phenotypes of 10 inbred strains -...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16971002/)** > > Three defining clinical symptoms of autism are aberrant reciprocal social interactions, deficits in social communication, and repetitive behaviors, including motor stereotypies and insistence on sameness. We developed a set of behavioral tasks... > **[Assessing Autism-like Behavior in Mice: Variations in Social Interactions...](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1831820/)** > > Autism is a pervasive developmental disorder, with characteristics including impairments in reciprocal social interaction, impaired communication, and repetitive/stereotyped behaviors. Despite decades of research, the etiology of autism remains... [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006322305009157](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006322305009157) [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1601-183X.2010.00659.x](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1601-183X.2010.00659.x) > **[Autism-Relevant Social Abnormalities and Cognitive Deficits in Engrailed-2...](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0040914)** > > ENGRAILED 2 (En2), a homeobox transcription factor, functions as a patterning gene in the early development and connectivity of rodent hindbrain and cerebellum, and regulates neurogenesis and development of monoaminergic pathways. To further... [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432812008108](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432812008108) [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/aur.218](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/aur.218) > **[BALB/c mice: low sociability and other phenotypes that may be relevant to...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16890300/)** > > Low sociability is one of the most prominent and disabling symptoms of autism. The biology of sociability is not well understood, and there is no available treatment that adequately improves social functioning in most autistic patients. The... And, because the OP eats Grand Dragon Shodan’s bullshit. I’ll use the same tack: I can’t possibly ableist because I have an adopted child who is disabled, and I can bad-mouth people who have autism because I have friends and family members who are autistic. These two statements are deliberate lies, but because white folks can’t tell fact from virtue signaling, I’ll let the lie sit there. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/62 "2019-01-10T18:28:35Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > This board, with its “Don’t be a jerk” Zeroth Law, is not the place for it. \*\*Huey \*\*should have figured that out about a month ago. +1 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/63 "2019-01-10T19:05:31Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Understanding is one thing. But do you think the great majority of decent and civilized black people would be gratified that you appear to hold them to a lower standard? I frankly don’t give the smallest rat’s ass how I appear to you. I hold those “decent and civilized black people” (dude, seriously?) to the same standard I hold every human. Like f’rinstance: > [@octopus](#): > > Racism requires power? What a stupid concept that is used to excuse some pretty vile ideas and people. It’s also untrue that so-called people of color have no power. Please put down the _How to be an Opressed Victim for Dummies_ and get a real education. I totally understand and respect the fear and anger that results in racist and blinkered posts like this, even when I find it detestable. When it comes to lived experience and emotion, I do my godamndest to “shut up and listen,” without immediately undercutting that with “ok, now here’s where you’re wrong.” **octopus** is an asshole. So is **Huey**. So am I. Asshole is part of the human condition. That said, I completely agree that > [@Telemark](#): > > …he’s losing the public relations battle… and > [@Alessan](#): > > …This board, with its “Don’t be a jerk” Zeroth Law, is not the place for it. \*\*Huey \*\*should have figured that out about a month ago. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/64 "2019-01-10T19:09:08Z")
**Huey** , you’d be a happier person if you just let go of this obsession a bit. Friendly advice, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/65 "2019-01-10T19:36:43Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > …autism is due, in part, to inbreeding… You’ve linked to a bunch of papers that use inbred strains as autism models. In animal model experiments, an “inbred strain” just means a mouse line with a known and consistent genetic background, so that all experimental mice are genetically identical. That’s required when you wish to perform rigorous controlled experiments without being confounded by naturally-arising genetic diversity. So none of those papers show what you think they show. None of those papers suggests (or even remotely implies) that inbreeding _per se_ is causing the autistic symptoms in these mouse models. Inbreeding _may_ contribute to a high incidence of autism in a human subpopulation if there are specific recessive loci associated with autism with high frequency in that subpopulation. None of those papers addresses that question. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/66 "2019-01-10T19:41:40Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > You’ve linked to a bunch of papers that use inbred strains as autism models. In animal model experiments, an “inbred strain” just means a mouse line with a known and consistent genetic background, so that all experimental mice are genetically identical. That’s required when you wish to perform rigorous controlled experiments without being confounded by naturally-arising genetic diversity. > > So none of those papers show what you think they show. None of those papers suggests (or even remotely implies) that inbreeding _per se_ is causing the autistic symptoms in these mouse models. > > Inbreeding _may_ contribute to a high incidence of autism in a human subpopulation if there are specific recessive loci associated with autism with high frequency in that subpopulation. None of those papers addresses that question. But they were _white_ mice! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/67 "2019-01-10T19:44:11Z")
> [@Elmore](#): > > Even if that’s true (it’s not but whatever), how does that make your behaviour _here_ not racism? This isn’t the real world. It’s a super liberal message board. You’re not oppressed _here_. If anything you’re privileged here. You call white people animals and monsters and get away with it every time. Any white person saying blacks were animals and monsters would rightly get banned. So how do you justify being so goddamn racist _here_? It’s a function of explicit double standards. It’s a feature not a bug. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/68 "2019-01-10T19:59:19Z")
> [@andros](#): > > …When it comes to lived experience and emotion, I do my godamndest to “shut up and listen,” without immediately undercutting that with “ok, now here’s where you’re wrong.”… We’re agreed that our first inclination should be to shut up and listen. But unless you deny that it’s even _possible_ for a black person to simply be a nasty toxic asshole, at some point we _are_ allowed to engage our critical faculties and address claims and viewpoints on their merits. I listened to a _lot_ of his ranting in the “Living While Black” thread before getting sick of him. I checked, it was at post #491, and I still think this is an accurate assessment: > [@Living while black in America](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/living-while-black-in-america/817611/491): > > And by the evidence of this thread you think a constructive approach to life for a black person today is to treat “white folks” as a monolithic enemy, right? Rather than human beings. > > So you’re a fan of Robin DiAngelo. She has some insightful things to say. But it’s one thing to challenge widespread unconscious racist assumptions, to disrupt white people’s comfortable privilege; it’s quite another to make preposterous sweeping generalized accusations that alienate rather than enlighten. You give angry, ignorant, patronizing lectures, with little regard for facts or evidence, accusing all “white folks” of collective guilt; then seek to dismiss any negative reaction as white fragility, so that anyone who disagrees with you or challenges your claims is conveniently just affirming the validity of your worldview, right? > > Well, just as Carl Sagan pointed out that they _also_ laughed at Bozo The Clown, not _all_ negative reactions among “white folks” are solely attributable to white fragility. Perhaps you’re not the proud crusader that you think you are. Perhaps you’re an ignorant divisive scumbag with scant regard for facts or evidence. I feel so _fragile_ that I can’t embrace that. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/69 "2019-01-10T20:18:16Z")
Fair enough by me. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/70 "2019-01-10T21:48:05Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Racism requires power? What a stupid concept that is used to excuse some pretty vile ideas and people. It’s also untrue that so-called people of color have no power. Please put down the _How to be an Opressed Victim for Dummies_ and get a real education. This is called “[prejudice plus power](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power).” The RationalWiki (that bastion of intolerance) article is pretty good, and Huey’s persona pretty much laundry-lists the criticisms of the concept. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/71 "2019-01-10T22:04:54Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > Defend what? Sigh. You’ve equated having autism with being devoid of empathy on numerous occasions, sometimes in contexts like paralleling it with the administration’s treatment of migrants. I haven’t seen you provide any citation to justify that equating. Publicly saying, “Black people in their teens and 20s living in the inner cities of Chicago, Detroit, etc. are sociopathic menaces,” while in the process of advocating for someone else, would be roughly analogous. Those words could encapsulate a larger population who would be personally touched by them, so maybe they’d be received with greater recognition of plausibly being hate speech. Some people are legitimately ignorant or uneducated about empathy and how a lack of communicating it socially is not the same as a lack of possessing and utilizing such functions. It doesn’t appear there’s such an excuse here given you have researched and put forth an actual hypothesis on the discrepancies of diagnoses in different communities. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/72 "2019-01-10T22:13:18Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > This is called “[prejudice plus power](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power).” > > The RationalWiki (that bastion of intolerance) article is pretty good, and Huey’s persona pretty much laundry-lists the criticisms of the concept. Yes, that’s a good article - thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/73 "2019-01-10T23:20:16Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > What’s wrong is that you’re a hypersensitive little bitch who can’t cope. Oh, the irony. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m not quite so sure about that, speaking strictly about his pointed criticism of white supremacism in American society. All approaches can be effective or ineffective, with different people, and in different circumstances. The “asshole” confrontational approach can sometimes work (in my younger days, I think this was more effective with me personally). As can the “let me talk about this gently and assure you that you’re a good person” approach. As can the many approaches in between. Well, being confrontational is one thing. Going after others peoples’ kids is quite another. That’s not about “assuring people you’re a good person”. That’s about “giving the impression I’m a sociopath”. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/74 "2019-01-10T23:56:43Z")
> [@andros](#): > > But I understand whence his anger. I support his emotions entirely. Not all of his behaviors, but definitely the emotion. I can understand his anger. But that doesn’t excuse his racism. Racism is always wrong regardless of whether it’s white racism against blacks or black racism against whites. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/75 "2019-01-10T23:58:59Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Racism requires power? Racism doesn’t require power. But racism with power has worse effects than racism without power. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/76 "2019-01-11T00:15:52Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > […] The crux of what I am seeing is the following: > > 1. The nigger is hurting my feelings. He talked bad about the white race. > 2. The nigger is making us white liberals look bad, because the nigger’s posts gives “credence to the white persecution fantasy” > 3. The nigger is ablelist because he uses autism as a pejorative for white folks who lack [cognitive empathy](https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/60557716.pdf). > 4. The nigger is really a white man trolling the board as a nigger. (This[one](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21420815&postcount=23)is my favorite because this one keeps coming up. Wonder why) > 5. The nigger writes long posts that are too long and too wordy > 5a. The nigger posts are unreadable block of texts > 5b. The nigger’s personal experience with racism does not reflect reality and “subjective, selective, and filtered through a vast array of cognitive biases” > 5c. The nigger’s lived experience is the “worst form of evidence for anything”. > 6a. The nigger is uneducated. > 6b. The nigger is an undergraduate > 6c. The nigger will fail (or is failing) in his studies > 6. The nigger is old. > 7. The nigger is young > 8. The nigger is angry > 9. The nigger is wimpy > 10. The nigger is an asshole > 11. The nigger shouldn’t call out our beloved Grand Dragon Shodan for using his imported children as props against people of color. > 12. The nigger is “[indicted](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21422352&postcount=48)” as a bad person because a white liberal (who we don’t like) supports you. > > I’ll stop at #13, because Ms. Daze is being selective. In that thread, I pointed out that my theory was cobbled together, in part, due to studies showing inbred of mouse strains that have autistic behaviors.I also pointed out that Somali immigrants have high rates of autism; further, I pointed out that it is documented that Somalians practice inbreeding due to religious reasons. I went ahead and also pointed out that Somalian rates of autism is higher than white folks much lower than people of color as a whole. Taken together, it is my opinion (and I am not forcing it upon anyone) that autism is due, in part, to inbreeding. > > [Unusual Repertoire of Vocalizations in the BTBR T+tf/J Mouse Model of Autism](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0003067) > [Autism-related behavioral phenotypes in an inbred rat substrain - PubMed](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24780868) > [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432808001484](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432808001484) > [Social behavior deficits in the Fmr1 mutant mouse - PubMed](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16343653) > [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432806004438](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432806004438) > [Mouse behavioral tasks relevant to autism: phenotypes of 10 inbred strains - PubMed](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16971002) > [Assessing Autism-like Behavior in Mice: Variations in Social Interactions Among Inbred Strains. - PMC](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1831820/) > [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006322305009157](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006322305009157) > [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1601-183X.2010.00659.x](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1601-183X.2010.00659.x) > [Autism-Relevant Social Abnormalities and Cognitive Deficits in Engrailed-2 Knockout Mice](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0040914) > [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432812008108](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432812008108) > [https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/aur.218](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/aur.218) > [BALB/c mice: low sociability and other phenotypes that may be relevant to autism - PubMed](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16890300) Oh please, I called you out for your bullshit autism theory, but I also called you out for repeatedly using “autistic” pejoratively. **Covfefe** does a good job of explaining why that’s a false equivalency. My personal objection, in addition to the factual issues, is that it’s morally wrong to use a physical condition as your go-to insult. I’d try and draw you an equivalency model, but I see that you consider that type of thinking “lying”. > [@Covfefe](#): > > Sigh. > > You’ve equated having autism with being devoid of empathy on numerous occasions, sometimes in contexts like paralleling it with the administration’s treatment of migrants. I haven’t seen you provide any citation to justify that equating. > > Publicly saying, “Black people in their teens and 20s living in the inner cities of Chicago, Detroit, etc. are sociopathic menaces,” while in the process of advocating for someone else, would be roughly analogous. Those words could encapsulate a larger population who would be personally touched by them, so maybe they’d be received with greater recognition of plausibly being hate speech. > > Some people are legitimately ignorant or uneducated about empathy and how a lack of communicating it socially is not the same as a lack of possessing and utilizing such functions. It doesn’t appear there’s such an excuse here given you have researched and put forth an actual hypothesis on the discrepancies of diagnoses in different communities. > [@](#): > > And, because the OP eats Grand Dragon Shodan’s bullshit. I’ll use the same tack: I can’t possibly ableist because I have an adopted child who is disabled, and I can bad-mouth people who have autism because I have friends and family members who are autistic. These two statements are deliberate lies, but because white folks can’t tell fact from virtue signaling, I’ll let the lie sit there. I eat his bullshit because I Pitted you for calling his child “imported”? Your mind works in twisty and mysterious ways. Children are not things. Referring to them as handbags is bizarre, stupid, and cruel. Furthermore, if you are lying, what’s the point in even talking about equivalency? Whatever point you think you’re making there, it’s opaque. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/77 "2019-01-11T05:53:31Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Well, being confrontational is one thing. Going after others peoples’ kids is quite another. That’s not about “assuring people you’re a good person”. That’s about “giving the impression I’m a sociopath”. Oh fer fecks sake, he didn’t go after anyone’s kids anymore than anyone who talks about “What’s wrong with kids today?” does. I think that whether you realize it or not, Huey struck a nerve: he made claim about white kids, which is why some perceive it as going after “other people’s kids”. News outlets write “What’s wrong with black kids” all - the - fucking - time. “Why aren’t black schools performing like white schools?” “Why are black boys more likely to become criminals than white boys and Asian boys?” I mean, come on. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/78 "2019-01-11T06:00:30Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > But if he wants people to care about the things he’s angry about, he has to stop being an asshole. That’s Human Interaction 101. Maybe he will when black people have a group as politically powerful as AIPAC. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/79 "2019-01-11T06:17:56Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I eat his bullshit because I Pitted you for calling his child “imported”? Your mind works in twisty and mysterious ways. Children are not things. Referring to them as handbags is bizarre, stupid, and cruel. Furthermore, if you are lying, what’s the point in even talking about equivalency? Whatever point you think you’re making there, it’s opaque. But, but…what about the children?! :rolleyes: You apparently were too thick to understand the blatant racism of the post that Huey responded to. > [@](#): > > The lawyer for the Barnes family thinks he knows who the shooter is, although that person has not been charged yet. The lawyer also thinks he knows the shooter’s race. **I leave it as an exercise to the reader to guess what that race is.** > > A little girl was shot, apparently **by people who are both dangerous, and too stupid to figure out who they are shooting.** That’s enough of a tragedy on its own, even without witness misidentification. > > Regards, > Shodan Read it again. Think about the smugness with which it was written, which is the same smugness and blithe disrespect and contempt he has for anyone not in his clan. No sensible person is going to argue that it’s “right” to insult a man’s children. But it’s not right to assault a man’s race, either. Think about it a little more, Sunny Daze - and the rest of you. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/80 "2019-01-11T06:23:37Z")
Just like you think about it, before you go flying off the handle here, foaming at the mouth at the latest article about Trump. > [@asahi](#): > > Oh fer fecks sake, he didn’t go after anyone’s kids anymore than anyone who talks about “What’s wrong with kids today?” does. Excuse me? > [@](#): > > No, Grand Dragons Shodan’s children are imported and I will continue to use the term. If Grand Dragon Shodan didn’t want his imported children to be referred to as imported children, then he shouldn’t treat them and use their presence as imported handbags. > [@](#): > > Look at Grand Dragon Shodan. This thot just can’t help hisself. Instead of spending quality time with your imported daughter, you’ve wasted thousands upon thousands of hours of your life on this website spewing your hate. Can I repeat that? You’ve spent nearly 20 years here and written tens of thousands of posts, thus wasting a significant portion of your life. 20 years is quite an achievement. Will this place be in your obituary? Will you receive a pension from the SDMB? I suggest you focus your remaining time and attention to help rear your imported child (or handbag, as I’m sure she is treated as) that is likely suffering from some form of mental abuse and/or abandonment. Even most white folks recognize that raising children is an important, full-time job; child rearing requires you to put the fucking phone down, turn the computer off, shut the video games down and take an active role in the development of your child’s learning. Instead, you are here furiously typing on your keyboard like you’re Angela Lansbury straight outta Murder, She Wrote. And let’s not kid ourselves. Your hands-off approach to parenting is due, in part, to the fact that your daughter is a person of color. While it is clear you and your racist, cross-burning family never cared from the get-go, I implore you to stop posting, pick up the phone and start spending some fucking quality time with your imported daughter. Thank you. I’m not exactly **Shodan** ’s biggest fan, but referring to his children as “imported” definitely sounds a little more than “what’s wrong with kids today”, dumbass. I’d say that it crosses the line into “Being a Jerk”. Attack **Shodan** , fine. But his daughter isn’t a member of the board, and that’s seriously fucked up, especially calling her “imported”. Who’s the racist _now_? Guess what? Being a minority or a victim of bigotry doesn’t give you a “Get Out of Jail Free” card. It’s not “be a good little POC and we’ll give you your rights”. It’s “being a victim of bigotry isn’t an excuse to be a jagoff.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427.md?page=5)