# What the fuck is wrong with Huey Freeman? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 8, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427 "2019-01-08T20:43:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Discordian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@Discordian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Discordian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/121 "2019-01-12T08:45:51Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > If you want people to take any of your dickish patronizing comments seriously, at least have the respect to go and _read_ the fucking threads that you’re commenting on, rather than projecting/manufacturing what faux pas you _imagine_ we have probably committed and telling us where we went wrong. You don’t need any help manufacturing faux pas. Just keep talking. ---
**Author:** ![Discordian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@Discordian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Discordian)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/122 "2019-01-12T08:51:59Z")
And I’m going to bed, but have a good night. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/123 "2019-01-12T13:21:25Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh, they got their HOLY LAND back! Well, then it’s all okay! Everything’s all sunshine and roses for the Jews now! :rolleyes: > > The reason I don’t like **Huey** has fuck all to do with his anger about racism. He’s got plenty of valid complaints there. It’s the fact that he’s an asshole and uses “but but but RACISM!!!” as an excuse. Attacking peoples kids is being an asshole. Period. Claiming, “but I’m an oppressed person!” isn’t a valid excuse. He doesn’t want to be nice? Fine. But then don’t expect anyone else to play nice either. Don’t call people racial slurs, and then claim it’s okay, because you’re a minority, so you get a free pass. (His comments about “imported children”, whatever it was he called **Bricker** , comments about kids with autism, etc) THAT is being an asshole. > If someone shoves someone down the stairs, they’re being an asshole. I don’t care what their race/religion/age/sexual orientation is, they’re an asshole. If someone insults a family member of mine, for no reason, they’re an asshole. Here’s what I meant to point out earlier. I pointed out that Huey’s “imported” child comments were in response to Shodan’s remarks about black perpetrators. Even if Shodan weren’t intending to load racism into his comments - and I concede in retrospect that that’s possible - Shodan has a history here. Anyone remember this gem? [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20337966&postcount=58](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20337966&postcount=58) > [@](#): > > Yes, I share Chris Rock’s opinion that there is, or can be, a difference between being a nigger and being a black person. > > And some of the point of the monologue is that it is not the case that “all you have to do to be called it is to be black”. Chris Rock is not calling all black people niggers. And I thought he made the distinction rather clear. > > Regards, > Shodan So basically, Shodan is a white guy who seems comfortable using the word, and he further seems to be claiming to be an authority on differentiating regular black folk from n-----s. I somehow doubt that escaped Huey’s attention when he made that remark about Shodan’s “imported” child. It didn’t take me long to find that comment, either. All topped off with that stupid smug “Regards, Shodan” signature to boot. And here you all are rushing to defend him. It’s as if the resident “progressives” on SDMB have this obsession with liberals who make other liberals look bad. I’m sure that Huey has dealt with this before. I guess Huey is the black guy who makes other black guys look bad, right? I don’t think he gives a fuck whether you think he makes X people look bad, because he’s living his life in spite of your hypocritical and invalid judgment. You’re not his Sunday school teacher, and he ain’t your boy. So deal with it. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Do you have any idea how incredibly patronizing your attitude is? Black people can’t HELP being emotional – they’re so oppressed and fed up, they have no other way of acting. It’s so insane. No, that’s not it. There’s individual variation among black people as to how they choose to address the fact that they were born into a society that was founded on white supremacy, and to be specific, white supremacy over black subjects. We still use the same constitution that enshrined an economic system that was inherently exploitative. Black people born in America have inherited all of that legacy. Immigrants, though they are indeed often the targets of discrimination, have inherited absolutely none of it. It’s not the same. It’s up to the individual black person how they wish to address that. The conventional wisdom among fair-minded, moderate white progressives is that whites have changed, and that the best way to achieve progress is to trust that whites will be less racist going forward. Whites also point out that people like Huey are “polarizing” and “counter-productive.” And politically, maybe they’re right. I would find it hard to disagree that Martin Luther King was successful in large part because he chose non-violent protest and he operated in the spirit of integration and tolerance towards whites. But what you don’t understand -what you’ll never understand - is that it’s a burden that black people carry with them - every day. Jackie Robinson had people try to run him over in the base paths and call him the ‘n’ word during games. And he was told from day one that he couldn’t fight back, even if someone pushed him to the edge. Barack Obama had the burden of being not just president, but being a model for black Americans. When Obama said “The officer acted stupidly” and “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon Martin,” much of white America lost its mind and called him a ‘race-baiter.’ Black people have the burden to be gentlemanly in the eyes of whites, even when whites in this society are held to a much lower standard in return. “Oh, I’m not really a racist, I just, I don’t know…had a bad day and the word ‘n----er’ slipped out. I said I was sorry, right?” So I can understand it if people like Huey say something like: “Fuck that, I refuse to be burdened by your expectations of me, especially when I know you hold yourself to a lower standard. Whether you realize you do or not is none of my concern. My life experience and knowledge of American history is my guide here, not your words, and certainly not your attempt to saddle me with a guilt trip and lecture about the experiences of other groups of people you whites have marginalized over the years.” I think it’s also good for whites to realize that there are Huey’s out there, not just Martin Luther Kings, Jackie Robinsons, and Chris Rocks. I don’t think the Hueys of the world are going to lead any kind of constructive inter-racial dialogue, but I think it’s important to know that people like him exist. If I walk up to random guys on the street and say “Hey, guess what? I banged your mother.” Most would probably stop just short of punching me in the face, but eventually, I’d find one who would. It’s important to know that people like that exist, that you can’t always count on people to be at their best, and how people choose to handle offense is up to the individual. Whites need to understand that not every black person is interested in being Martin Luther King or Ghandi. Not everyone agrees that turning the other cheek is the best way to deal with racial oppression. It’s important for whites to know that a system that is racist inevitably leads to racial tension, and some people are going to respond to that tension with militarism and hatred. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/124 "2019-01-12T15:39:05Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Here’s what I meant to point out earlier. > > I pointed out that Huey’s “imported” child comments were in response to Shodan’s remarks about black perpetrators. Even if Shodan weren’t intending to load racism into his comments - and I concede in retrospect that that’s possible - Shodan has a history here. Anyone remember this gem? > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20337966&postcount=58](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20337966&postcount=58) > > So basically, Shodan is a white guy who seems comfortable using the word, and he further seems to be claiming to be an authority on differentiating regular black folk from n-----s. I somehow doubt that escaped Huey’s attention when he made that remark about Shodan’s “imported” child. It didn’t take me long to find that comment, either. All topped off with that stupid smug “Regards, Shodan” signature to boot. And here you all are rushing to defend him. It’s as if the resident “progressives” on SDMB have this obsession with liberals who make other liberals look bad. I’m sure that Huey has dealt with this before. I guess Huey is the black guy who makes other black guys look bad, right? > > I don’t think he gives a fuck whether you think he makes X people look bad, because he’s living his life in spite of your hypocritical and invalid judgment. You’re not his Sunday school teacher, and he ain’t your boy. So deal with it. > > No, that’s not it. There’s individual variation among black people as to how they choose to address the fact that they were born into a society that was founded on white supremacy, and to be specific, white supremacy over black subjects. We still use the same constitution that enshrined an economic system that was inherently exploitative. Black people born in America have inherited all of that legacy. Immigrants, though they are indeed often the targets of discrimination, have inherited absolutely none of it. It’s not the same. > > It’s up to the individual black person how they wish to address that. The conventional wisdom among fair-minded, moderate white progressives is that whites have changed, and that the best way to achieve progress is to trust that whites will be less racist going forward. Whites also point out that people like Huey are “polarizing” and “counter-productive.” And politically, maybe they’re right. I would find it hard to disagree that Martin Luther King was successful in large part because he chose non-violent protest and he operated in the spirit of integration and tolerance towards whites. > > But what you don’t understand -what you’ll never understand - is that it’s a burden that black people carry with them - every day. Jackie Robinson had people try to run him over in the base paths and call him the ‘n’ word during games. And he was told from day one that he couldn’t fight back, even if someone pushed him to the edge. Barack Obama had the burden of being not just president, but being a model for black Americans. When Obama said “The officer acted stupidly” and “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon Martin,” much of white America lost its mind and called him a ‘race-baiter.’ Black people have the burden to be gentlemanly in the eyes of whites, even when whites in this society are held to a much lower standard in return. “Oh, I’m not really a racist, I just, I don’t know…had a bad day and the word ‘n----er’ slipped out. I said I was sorry, right?” > > So I can understand it if people like Huey say something like: > > “Fuck that, I refuse to be burdened by your expectations of me, especially when I know you hold yourself to a lower standard. Whether you realize you do or not is none of my concern. My life experience and knowledge of American history is my guide here, not your words, and certainly not your attempt to saddle me with a guilt trip and lecture about the experiences of other groups of people you whites have marginalized over the years.” > > I think it’s also good for whites to realize that there are Huey’s out there, not just Martin Luther Kings, Jackie Robinsons, and Chris Rocks. I don’t think the Hueys of the world are going to lead any kind of constructive inter-racial dialogue, but I think it’s important to know that people like him exist. If I walk up to random guys on the street and say “Hey, guess what? I banged your mother.” Most would probably stop just short of punching me in the face, but eventually, I’d find one who would. It’s important to know that people like that exist, that you can’t always count on people to be at their best, and how people choose to handle offense is up to the individual. > > Whites need to understand that not every black person is interested in being Martin Luther King or Ghandi. Not everyone agrees that turning the other cheek is the best way to deal with racial oppression. It’s important for whites to know that a system that is racist inevitably leads to racial tension, and some people are going to respond to that tension with militarism and hatred. It doesn’t take a dissertation to say hypocrisy is not helpful. Unfortunately, many people are far too stupid or dishonest to help themselves. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/125 "2019-01-12T15:47:40Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > He uses autism as a pejorative routinely. I struggle to name how many levels of wrong this is. It’s also ignorant as fuck, because he can’t be arsed to actually understand the term and everything it entails. I’ve noticed this is a trend with Twitter edgelords. They use ‘autist’ and ‘autistic’ as synonyms for ‘idiot’ and ‘stupid’ because they know it offends people. This OP seems to be a slightly different strain, in that there’s some (wrong) theory around it. I suspect Huey Freeman is just another emotionally damaged, basement-dwelling edgelord just having a go with us. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/126 "2019-01-12T16:08:22Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Oh Jesus Fucking Christ!:rolleyes: > > It should be obvious that there is a major difference between someone who actually has the power to abuse and harm people with his racism, and someone who is “racist” because he’s fucking pissed to live in a society where even 53 years after the Civil Rights Acts, this country is blithely carrying on in a country that is being governed by a White Supremacist organization. And has the audacity to spout off on a message board. > > Major - fucking - difference. > > Do I like Huey Freeman’s rhetoric? Maybe not. > > Would we have much to say if I sat next to him in a bar? Maybe not. > > But whether you realize it or not, you’re proving him right. And he’s right because you all have an idea of what a “productive” social justice warrior should be. That’s all well and fine, but considering you’re not actually, you know, the one who actually has to experience driving while black, I guess he’s telling you he just doesn’t give a fuck what you think. > > Sorry, but not every black guy whose had the experience of being shit on by white supremacist America is going to protest like a polite gentleman. We can debate which approach is more or less effective, but if someone wants to go Malcolm X, who the fuck are you to complain about it. Again, it’s not your fight…“brotha”. Huey’s a racist. And you’re hysterical. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/127 "2019-01-12T17:31:14Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > …So basically, Shodan is…And here you all are rushing to defend him… Utter bullshit. You’re just making this up to manufacture a false narrative. Nobody rushed to defend Shodans views or values. It was Huey’s nasty attack on Shodan’s child that people objected to. > [@asahi](#): > > …It’s as if the resident “progressives” on SDMB have this obsession with liberals who make other liberals look bad. I’m sure that Huey has dealt with this before. I guess Huey is the black guy who makes other black guys look bad, right?.. Again, bullshit. You’re projecting. Huey is a toxic racist who makes only himself look bad. > [@asahi](#): > > …There’s individual variation among black people as to how they choose to address the fact that they were born into a society that was founded on white supremacy…It’s important for whites to know that a system that is racist inevitably leads to racial tension, and some people are going to respond to that tension with militarism and hatred. As for the rest of what you wrote - of course, black people will choose to react differently to their life experiences. And we agree that we must listen to this. But I don’t hear anyone telling Huey that he can’t be angry or militant, that he has no right to have hatred in his heart. That’s a straw man. It’s his racism and other apparent bigotry that people objected to. You seem to object to white people having anything less than _complete_ acceptance _any_ way a black person chooses to behave. How far are you prepared to take that? If Huey advocated murdering all Jews, would you still be standing wokely shoulder-to-shoulder with him? I presume not. So then, you’re ultimately just as prepared to use your critical faculties to judge Huey’s views as anyone else. We’re just disputing where the line is. You think toxic bigotry from him is something we should suck up because of his identity, other people don’t. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/128 "2019-01-12T18:10:54Z")
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**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/129 "2019-01-12T18:47:35Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Here’s an example of **Huey-speak** where he defends his claim that autism is caused by inbreeding. Oh yeah, also white people are evil. He even gets around to the “one drop” rule, but doesn’t seem to realize that he is arguing the same thing. If there’s one drop of white blood, well then autism it is! Umm, how shall we break this to Huey? > [@](#): > > [Exactly How “Black” Are Black Americans?](https://www.theroot.com/exactly-how-black-is-black-america-1790895185) > > - According to [Ancestry.com](http://Ancestry.com), the average African American is 65 percent sub-Saharan African, 29 percent European and 2 percent Native American. > > - According to [23andme.com](http://23andme.com), the average African American is 75 percent sub-Saharan African, 22 percent European and only 0.6 percent Native American. > > - According to Family Tree [DNA.com](http://DNA.com), the average African American is 72.95 percent sub-Saharan African, 22.83 percent European and 1.7 percent Native American. > > - According to National Geographic’s Genographic Project, the average African American is 80 percent sub-Saharan African, 19 percent European and 1 percent Native American. > > - According to AfricanDNA, in which I am a partner with Family Tree DNA, the average African American is 79 percent sub-Saharan African, 19 percent European and 2 percent Native American. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/130 "2019-01-12T18:50:13Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Here’s what I meant to point out earlier. > > I pointed out that Huey’s “imported” child comments were in response to Shodan’s remarks about black perpetrators. Even if Shodan weren’t intending to load racism into his comments - and I concede in retrospect that that’s possible - Shodan has a history here. Anyone remember this gem? > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20337966&postcount=58](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20337966&postcount=58) Indeed I do. Yes, **Shodan** ’s a douchebag, I agree. His\* daughter\*, however, should be off limits. 1.) she doesn’t post here, and 2.) she’s a goddamned child. And calling foreign adoptees “imported” is absolutely disgusting, not to mention racist as all fucking hell. Huey doesn’t get a pass on that because of what blacks have suffered. Nope, sorry. Depending on where **Shodan** ’s daughter is from (did he say), her people may have suffered quite a bit too. > [@](#): > > I don’t think he gives a fuck whether you think he makes X people look bad, because he’s living his life in spite of your hypocritical and invalid judgment. You’re not his Sunday school teacher, and he ain’t your boy. So deal with it. Where did I say he makes anybody look bad, other than himself? > [@](#): > > No, that’s not it. There’s individual variation among black people as to how they choose to address the fact that they were born into a society that was founded on white supremacy, and to be specific, white supremacy over black subjects. We still use the same constitution that enshrined an economic system that was inherently exploitative. Black people born in America have inherited all of that legacy. Immigrants, though they are indeed often the targets of discrimination, have inherited absolutely none of it. It’s not the same. > > It’s up to the individual black person how they wish to address that. The conventional wisdom among fair-minded, moderate white progressives is that whites have changed, and that the best way to achieve progress is to trust that whites will be less racist going forward. Whites also point out that people like Huey are “polarizing” and “counter-productive.” And politically, maybe they’re right. I would find it hard to disagree that Martin Luther King was successful in large part because he chose non-violent protest and he operated in the spirit of integration and tolerance towards whites. It has nothing to do with being “counter-productive”, or “polarizing”. It’s being a dick. Nobody said he had to be Gandhi, or at least, I didn’t. > [@](#): > > But what you don’t understand -what you’ll never understand - is that it’s a burden that black people carry with them - every day. Jackie Robinson had people try to run him over in the base paths and call him the ‘n’ word during games. And he was told from day one that he couldn’t fight back, even if someone pushed him to the edge. Barack Obama had the burden of being not just president, but being a model for black Americans. When Obama said “The officer acted stupidly” and “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon Martin,” much of white America lost its mind and called him a ‘race-baiter.’ Black people have the burden to be gentlemanly in the eyes of whites, even when whites in this society are held to a much lower standard in return. “Oh, I’m not really a racist, I just, I don’t know…had a bad day and the word ‘n----er’ slipped out. I said I was sorry, right?” And that fucking sucks. But not everyone goes around saying the n-word, or is automatically a racist, just because they happen to be white either. > [@](#): > > So I can understand it if people like Huey say something like: > > “Fuck that, I refuse to be burdened by your expectations of me, especially when I know you hold yourself to a lower standard. Whether you realize you do or not is none of my concern. My life experience and knowledge of American history is my guide here, not your words, and certainly not your attempt to saddle me with a guilt trip and lecture about the experiences of other groups of people you whites have marginalized over the years.” The only “expectation” I have of him, was not to be a douchbag. Just like everyone else around here. If he’s going to use slurs (against other minorities, which he has), then he can’t turn around and act like an innocent victim. > [@](#): > > I think it’s also good for whites to realize that there are Huey’s out there, not just Martin Luther Kings, Jackie Robinsons, and Chris Rocks. I don’t think the Hueys of the world are going to lead any kind of constructive inter-racial dialogue, but I think it’s important to know that people like him exist. If I walk up to random guys on the street and say “Hey, guess what? I banged your mother.” Most would probably stop just short of punching me in the face, but eventually, I’d find one who would. It’s important to know that people like that exist, that you can’t always count on people to be at their best, and how people choose to handle offense is up to the individual. I don’t think he has to be Martin Luther King. (He’s definitely no Malcolm X, though. THAT idea is a joke) > [@](#): > > Whites need to understand that not every black person is interested in being Martin Luther King or Ghandi. Not everyone agrees that turning the other cheek is the best way to deal with racial oppression. It’s important for whites to know that a system that is racist inevitably leads to racial tension, and some people are going to respond to that tension with militarism and hatred. It’s not a choice between “turn the other cheek” and “go on the attack”. Not to mention, not all of the attacks at **Huey** have been about race. So quit turning it to that. People were pissed that he was mocking their kids or about autism, for example. YOU, however, want to turn this into a pissing contest into “who had it worse than others”. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/131 "2019-01-12T20:08:40Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > You’ve linked to a bunch of papers that use inbred strains as autism models. In animal model experiments, an “inbred strain” just means a mouse line with a known and consistent genetic background, so that all experimental mice are genetically identical. That’s required when you wish to perform rigorous controlled experiments without being confounded by naturally-arising genetic diversity. > > So none of those papers show what you think they show. None of those papers suggests (or even remotely implies) that inbreeding _per se_ is causing the autistic symptoms in these mouse models. > > Inbreeding _may_ contribute to a high incidence of autism in a human subpopulation if there are specific recessive loci associated with autism with high frequency in that subpopulation. None of those papers addresses that question. First, I love that you sidestepped part regarding Somalians. This is expected. Here, Somalians practice inbreeding due to religious reasons and have one of the highest rates of autism in the country. The white counterargument is that people of color have _less_ autism diagnoses due to being poor and having \* less\* access to healthcare; however, reality shows the reverse is true: Somalians have less access to healthcare and an _increased_ incidence of autism. Second, I agree that inbred strains are used to reduce genetic drift increase the reproducibility of scientific experiments. That isn’t in dispute. The question/observation is why is that so many inbred strains used in autism research? These inbred strains weren’t made for autism research yet are serendipitously excellent models for autism research. Lastly, your last paragraph hits it on the head. That’s what I think is happening. > [@asahi](#): > > So I can understand it if people like Huey say something like: > > “Fuck that, I refuse to be burdened by your expectations of me, especially when I know you hold yourself to a lower standard. Whether you realize you do or not is none of my concern. My life experience and knowledge of American history is my guide here, not your words, and certainly not your attempt to saddle me with a guilt trip and lecture about the experiences of other groups of people you whites have marginalized over the years.” > > I think it’s also good for whites to realize that there are Huey’s out there, not just Martin Luther Kings, Jackie Robinsons, and Chris Rocks. I don’t think the Hueys of the world are going to lead any kind of constructive inter-racial dialogue, but I think it’s important to know that people like him exist. If I walk up to random guys on the street and say “Hey, guess what? I banged your mother.” Most would probably stop just short of punching me in the face, but eventually, I’d find one who would. It’s important to know that people like that exist, that you can’t always count on people to be at their best, and how people choose to handle offense is up to the individual. > > Whites need to understand that not every black person is interested in being Martin Luther King or Ghandi. Not everyone agrees that turning the other cheek is the best way to deal with racial oppression. It’s important for whites to know that a system that is racist inevitably leads to racial tension, and some people are going to respond to that tension with militarism and hatred. This sums it up. I would add the following. Discussion is pointless because we’re operating in different universes. In the white world, racism has a simple, ethnocentric definition “prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.” This means that if a person of color were to say “White folks lack empathy and compassion”, it would be racist because it antagonizes white folks. In my world, the definition doesn’t wash. There are a few reasons. The first is that I am not a black supremacist, I don’t think myself superior to white folks, I am your equals. Second, I have no power. Not even a little bit . Power is integral to racism. And, let me be clear, I understand that white folks struggle and/or reject this definition because white folks don’t individually view themselves as having prejudice or power. So, discussion is pointless. If, for example, I thought the SDMB was racist against people of color, no one take my point-of-view seriously; however, if I were white woman who thought misgonystic comments were getting out of hand, my concerns would be heard. You can see it in politics. Black folks have been marching since 20th century for “Jobs, Justice, and Peace” and decades later white folks still ain’t did shit; in contrast, a ragtag team of educated white women marched for a few weeks and the legislature of West Virginia, Arizona, and Oklahoma all capitulated. If these were black folks who were marching, they’d be ignored at best or, more likely, openly denigrated as shiftless, unappreciative, and lazy. Hell, these black marchers could’ve been conceivably shot by law enforcement for doing the same thing these white women were doing in West Virginia. The point is that we are operating in different universes, thus making discussion pointless. The best thing I can suggest moving forward for the haters to bring your concerns to the moderator(s). If the moderators decide that they’d prefer me to leave, they can ask politely or ban me, either way I’d stop posting on your message board. Far as I’m concerned, it would be a win-win. It would be a win for the people here because they don’t have to be disabused by my words; it would be a win for me because I would be more productive. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh, they got their HOLY LAND back! Well, then it’s all okay! Everything’s all sunshine and roses for the Jews now! :rolleyes: > > The reason I don’t like **Huey** has fuck all to do with his anger about racism. He’s got plenty of valid complaints there. It’s the fact that he’s an asshole and uses “but but but RACISM!!!” as an excuse. Attacking peoples kids is being an asshole. Period. Claiming, “but I’m an oppressed person!” isn’t a valid excuse. He doesn’t want to be nice? Fine. But then don’t expect anyone else to play nice either. Don’t call people racial slurs, and then claim it’s okay, because you’re a minority, so you get a free pass. (His comments about “imported children”, whatever it was he called **Bricker** , comments about kids with autism, etc) THAT is being an asshole. > If someone shoves someone down the stairs, they’re being an asshole. I don’t care what their race/religion/age/sexual orientation is, they’re an asshole. If someone insults a family member of mine, for no reason, they’re an asshole. > > His claims that we’re attacking him because he’s black would make about as much sense as me saying you’re attacking me because I’m a woman. > Do you have any idea how incredibly patronizing your attitude is? Black people can’t HELP being emotional – they’re so oppressed and fed up, they have no other way of acting. It’s so insane. > > The reason people believe he’s a _troll_, (not a racist), is because a.) he only posts about one subject and one subject only and b.) he posts only in the Pit. Those are usually big signs that someone’s a troll, no matter WHAT they’re posting about. > There are no winners in the Oppression Olympics. > (I listened to what he had to say. I dropped out a long time ago) And you’re a white liberal who can’t take a smidge of criticism. You truly believe your shit doesn’t stink. You’re the idiot who attempted to dismiss my criticism of the message board with the accusation that I’m some white guy trying to pull a fast one. It was very white of you. You didn’t even try to give a counterargument. White folks routinely dismiss the experiences of color with these types of accusations. Accusations that people of color are liars, schemers, criminals and hustlers. And, if you manage just an ounce of self-reflection, realize that you have other white supremacists - right in this thread - who have also accused me of being a white man. Keep in mind, these accusations keep coming in even after I fucking posted a picture of myself. I could tell you I didn’t post very much because I attended a convention in Las Vegas this week and you idiots would accuse me of scheming and lying; if I posted a picture of myself with the lanyard, I’d be accused of paying a person of color for the sole purpose of deceiving white folks. So, in reality, it doesn’t matter what I say or do. So, I do nothing. Believe what you want to believe. Lastly, I don’t post in the other folders for two reasons. The first is that one of the moderators referred to one of my posts as “anti-white”. This declaration was followed by a warning regarding behavior that another poster wasn’t warned for. I took that coded language as a hint to leave. You see, when a white man says get off his lawn. I get the fuck off his lawn. The second is that rules aren’t as much corrective as they are a tool for shaming and embarrassment. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/132 "2019-01-12T20:09:44Z")
**Huey Freeman** isn’t Black. **Huey Freeman** isn’t White. **Huey Freeman** isn’t _anything_ because it’s a goddamned fictional character, a role someone is playing on a message board. All we have of that character are texts someone wrote in-character and whatever other faked-up pseudo-evidence gets created to further that character. (Heck, ascribing this character to _one_ person is merely a least hypothesis, but I fear this will be lost on most.) This isn’t some kind of radical skepticism. It’s baseline “I can tell fiction from fact” skepticism we expect all adults to possess. And it is… get this… wait for it… wait for it… wait for it… impossible to be racist against a fictional character which doesn’t have a race! **Huey Freeman** is text on a screen! It isn’t a movie character, or a TV character, or a stage character, so it cannot have skin, facial features, hair, hair color, or anything else used to demarcate race. It coincidentally shares the name of a (fictional) cartoon character, which is drawn to be Black, but, unless we’re in the presence of a Licensed Product, it isn’t the same character. **Huey Freeman** is a troll. Accusations of racism are invalid. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/133 "2019-01-12T23:07:00Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > First, I love that you sidestepped part regarding Somalians. This is expected. Here, Somalians practice inbreeding due to religious reasons and have one of the highest rates of autism in the country. The white counterargument is that people of color have _less_ autism diagnoses due to being poor and having \* less\* access to healthcare; however, reality shows the reverse is true: Somalians have less access to healthcare and an _increased_ incidence of autism. Second, I agree that inbred strains are used to reduce genetic drift increase the reproducibility of scientific experiments. That isn’t in dispute. The question/observation is why is that so many inbred strains used in autism research? These inbred strains weren’t made for autism research yet are serendipitously excellent models for autism research. Lastly, your last paragraph hits it on the head. That’s what I think is happening. > > This sums it up. I would add the following. > > Discussion is pointless because we’re operating in different universes. In the white world, racism has a simple, ethnocentric definition “prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.” This means that if a person of color were to say “White folks lack empathy and compassion”, it would be racist because it antagonizes white folks. In my world, the definition doesn’t wash. There are a few reasons. The first is that I am not a black supremacist, I don’t think myself superior to white folks, I am your equals. Second, I have no power. Not even a little bit . Power is integral to racism. And, let me be clear, I understand that white folks struggle and/or reject this definition because white folks don’t individually view themselves as having prejudice or power. So, discussion is pointless. > > If, for example, I thought the SDMB was racist against people of color, no one take my point-of-view seriously; however, if I were white woman who thought misgonystic comments were getting out of hand, my concerns would be heard. You can see it in politics. Black folks have been marching since 20th century for “Jobs, Justice, and Peace” and decades later white folks still ain’t did shit; in contrast, a ragtag team of educated white women marched for a few weeks and the legislature of West Virginia, Arizona, and Oklahoma all capitulated. If these were black folks who were marching, they’d be ignored at best or, more likely, openly denigrated as shiftless, unappreciative, and lazy. Hell, these black marchers could’ve been conceivably shot by law enforcement for doing the same thing these white women were doing in West Virginia. > > The point is that we are operating in different universes, thus making discussion pointless. The best thing I can suggest moving forward for the haters to bring your concerns to the moderator(s). If the moderators decide that they’d prefer me to leave, they can ask politely or ban me, either way I’d stop posting on your message board. Far as I’m concerned, it would be a win-win. It would be a win for the people here because they don’t have to be disabused by my words; it would be a win for me because I would be more productive. > > And you’re a white liberal who can’t take a smidge of criticism. You truly believe your shit doesn’t stink. You’re the idiot who attempted to dismiss my criticism of the message board with the accusation that I’m some white guy trying to pull a fast one. It was very white of you. You didn’t even try to give a counterargument. White folks routinely dismiss the experiences of color with these types of accusations. Accusations that people of color are liars, schemers, criminals and hustlers. And, if you manage just an ounce of self-reflection, realize that you have other white supremacists - right in this thread - who have also accused me of being a white man. Keep in mind, these accusations keep coming in even after I fucking posted a picture of myself. I could tell you I didn’t post very much because I attended a convention in Las Vegas this week and you idiots would accuse me of scheming and lying; if I posted a picture of myself with the lanyard, I’d be accused of paying a person of color for the sole purpose of deceiving white folks. So, in reality, it doesn’t matter what I say or do. So, I do nothing. Believe what you want to believe. Lastly, I don’t post in the other folders for two reasons. The first is that one of the moderators referred to one of my posts as “anti-white”. This declaration was followed by a warning regarding behavior that another poster wasn’t warned for. I took that coded language as a hint to leave. You see, when a white man says get off his lawn. I get the fuck off his lawn. The second is that rules aren’t as much corrective as they are a tool for shaming and embarrassment. Well, octopus believes you’re sincere. I even think you believe that nonsensical definition of racism you posted. Now answer this, if you honestly believe wypipo are so racist and devoid of empathy how is it that wars of extermination are not being waged today? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/134 "2019-01-12T23:28:55Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > Here, Somalians practice inbreeding due to religious reasons and have one of the highest rates of autism in the country. What is perhaps the most comprehensive study of Somali immigrants and autism (in the Minneapolis area) found very similar rates of autism prevalence in both the Somali and white community (prevalence among Somalis was significantly higher than in non-Somali black children). There’s a problem with making guesses (i.e. “inbreeding”) that don’t have evidentiary backing. [Here’s a thoughtful article](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-autism-seems-to-cluster-in-some-immigrant-groups/) which discusses theories about why autism seems to cluster in some immigrant communities. Notably absent are remarks about “inbreeding” - instead, explanations getting serious interest include vitamin D deficiency and stresses associated with migration. There’s also potential difficulty with inadequate surveys (the Minneapolis one has been questioned over small size; prevalence might actually be lower, or even higher among Somalis). As to claims that autism is rare to nonexistent in the homelands of immigrants such as those from Somalia, I found this passage provocative: _When the autism diagnosis came, Gboro knew what it meant in his community. Some Congolese people, even those who have been in the U.S. for years, refer to autism as a ‘curse.’ Some are even more fatalistic. “They say, ‘It’s just a disease that God gives you and you cannot do anything about it,’” Gboro says. Social ostracism often follows, isolating families with a child on the spectrum. As a result, he says, many Congolese children on the spectrum are never screened or diagnosed and miss out on early intervention—the only thing known to help."_ You wonder how often autism exists in parents’ native lands, where they are too embarrassed or fearful of ostracism to seek help - if effective diagnosis and intervention even exist. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/135 "2019-01-12T23:29:39Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > …I agree that inbred strains are used to reduce genetic drift increase the reproducibility of scientific experiments. That isn’t in dispute. The question/observation is why is that so many inbred strains used in autism research? These inbred strains weren’t made for autism research yet are serendipitously excellent models for autism research… Inbred strains are used for autism research because inbred strains are used for almost _all_ research. The fact that these experiments are conducted with inbred mice is a technical issue, and simply does not have the significance that you think it does. The purpose of inbreeding mouse lines is to produce isogenic mice - where all mice are exactly the same. That’s usually what you want for controlled experiments. > **[Inbred strain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbred_strain)** > > Inbred strains (also called inbred lines, or rarely for animals linear animals) are individuals of a particular species which are nearly identical to each other in genotype due to long inbreeding. A strain is inbred when it has undergone at least 20 generations of brother x sister or offspring x parent mating, at which point at least 98.6% of the loci in an individual of the strain will be homozygous, and each individual can be treated effectively as clones. Some inbred strains have been bred for... Look at the papers you linked to more carefully, and you will see that the control mice that do not exhibit autistic traits in these experiments are also inbred strains. From your first link: > **[Unusual Repertoire of Vocalizations in the BTBR T+tf/J Mouse Model of Autism](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003067)** > > BTBR T+ tf/J (BTBR) is an inbred mouse strain that displays social abnormalities and repetitive behaviors analogous to the first and third diagnostic symptoms of autism. Here we investigate ultrasonic vocalizations in BTBR, to address the second... > [@](#): > > We previously reported on an inbred strain of mice, BTBR T+tf/J (BTBR), that displays several traits relevant to autism, including reduced social approach in adults, reduced reciprocal social interactions in juveniles and adults, decreased social transmission of food preference, and high repetitive self grooming **when compared to C57BL/6J (B6), a standard inbred strain commonly used in behavioral genetics** The BTBR mice described here have an autistic phenotype because of their specific genotype, not because they are inbred. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/136 "2019-01-12T23:36:59Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > First, I love that you sidestepped part regarding Somalians. This is expected. Here, Somalians practice inbreeding due to religious reasons and have one of the highest rates of autism in the country. The white counterargument is that people of color have _less_ autism diagnoses due to being poor and having \* less\* access to healthcare; however, reality shows the reverse is true: Somalians have less access to healthcare and an _increased_ incidence of autism. You just aren’t aware of the complexity of researching autism and how much work has been done on that front in the last two decades without yielding much in the way of tangible answers. This line of argument is marginally more impressive than Donald Trump, you notice a few things and then spout off like he did with autism and vaccines. There are plenty of Somalians who breed with outside populations. You haven’t begun to delve into those statistics and variables like that and other environmental possibilities that could affect the health of a fetus. Also: Jackmanii’s post. I’ve imagined this to be trolling because this is a handful of times you’ve brought up the Somalians without giving any commentary, just the same points. It serves no purpose other than serving as a cover to bookend your inbreeding theory. I think you might be black because I found the thread where you posted a picture of you holding up a piece of writing. You display no concern for your black brothers and sisters, the Somalians who vaccinate their children at lower rates due to unfounded fears they have of them and because of the stigma that could come with an autistic child. [https://i0.wp.com/midnimo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/2016112363615478736851812716966\_autism1f.jpg?w=660&ssl=1](https://i0.wp.com/midnimo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/2016112363615478736851812716966_autism1f.jpg?w=660&ssl=1) Some of their traditional ways are an obstacle for dealing with the stigma. Hopefully professionals are equipped to work together with families to increase education while you exponentially turn your back on and stigmatize the brothers and sisters of yours you can’t begin to understand. **Shodan** attacks people who do commit harmful acts using language some find insensitive and overboard. You attack people your most vulnerable brother and sisters. Here is [why you are allowed to post here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21019795&postcount=8176). ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/137 "2019-01-12T23:41:56Z")
> [@Covfefe](#): > > Here is [why you are allowed to post here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21019795&postcount=8176). That’s brilliant. I must have missed that when Bone posted it. It’s a _tad_ harsh for dear Huey, but still deserves quoting in full: > [@Omnibus Trolls R Us Thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/omnibus-trolls-r-us-thread/755489/8226): > > Unfortunately for the rest of us, this is obvious. You are a cancer on this board, making everything around you sick with your disgusting vileness. > > It’s only by the grace of principles that you are tolerated. You’re like the Westboro Baptist Church. Decent people know the Westboro Baptist Church is a hateful terrible awful organization and would prefer they just go away. However, as long as they are around, the folks like the ACLU’s will support the Westboro Baptist Church’s free speech right out of principle. > > That’s why you’re here, you small, petty, little person. You are the ornament we can use to demonstrate our commitment to our principles. But you don’t have to be. You can fuck right off anytime you wish. Because you’re a fucking cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/138 "2019-01-12T23:57:51Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > …The BTBR mice described here have an autistic phenotype because of their specific genotype, not because they are inbred. I would guess that the information you posted here will be rejected, because “specific genotype” is much less effective as an insult than “inbred.” It’s possible that the person posting the “Huey Freeman” account is an American black man, having all the traits and life-experiences claimed, and sincerely holding the opinions expressed. But it’s worth noting that the “Huey Freeman” account consistently contains themes and messages that are prioritized by online work-groups paid (ultimately) by the Kremlin. Among the most important missions of these groups, such as the Internet Research Agency headquartered in St. Petersburg, is to foment dissension and division among various parts of the political left. One of the most effective ways to plant barriers between whites and people of color is to tell white people that _they cannot get this right_. Familiar themes include: [ul] [li]white people CANNOT understand people of color—no matter what efforts they make to do so[/li] [li]white people may believe they aren’t racist but they, by definition, are racist[/li] [li]white people CANNOT rectify wrongs perpetrated in the past[/li] [li]white people are all alike (invariably in some uncomplimentary way, such as ‘being [/li]without empathy’) [li]white people may believe they have acted in ways that will be helpful to black people, such as voting black people into political office–but that action is, somehow, harmful to people of color[/li] [li]white people are simply incapable of being anything other than unfair and unjust[/li][/ul] …and so on. This works to divide left-leaning white people and people of color by implanting in white people the suspicion that people of color have fixed prejudices about them and nothing will change their minds—and implanting in people of color the exact same view of white people. Thus, groups of the left are less likely to work together effectively, and individuals who might otherwise make useful contributions toward leftist goals, will be too dispirited, angry or otherwise preoccupied to do so. A recent new initiative expands the Kremlin online presence: > [@](#): > > … A website called [usareally.com](http://usareally.com) appeared on the internet May 17 and called on Americans to rally in front of the White House June 14 to celebrate President Donald Trump’s birthday, which is also Flag Day. > FireEye, a Milpitas, Calif., cybersecurity company, said Thursday that USA Really is a Russian-operated website that carries content designed to foment racial division, harden feelings over immigration, gun control and police brutality, and undermine social cohesion. > > The website’s operators once worked out of the same office building in St. Petersburg, Russia, where the Kremlin-linked Internet Research Agency had its headquarters, said Lee Foster, manager of information operations analysis for FireEye iSIGHT Intelligence. > > … Russians involved in the website work for the Federal News Agency, which is known by its Russian acronym FAN and closely follows the Kremlin line on international issues. Ownership of the agency is not publicly known. > The new website may be part of a pending broader campaign, Foster said. … [https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article212299529.html](https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article212299529.html) Postings such as those by “Huey Freeman” (and “Asahi,” for that matter), whether written by persons who are actually Americans holding the views expressed, or by paid workers who are writing to order, are extremely helpful in promoting division and discord on the left. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/139 "2019-01-13T02:18:18Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > **Huey Freeman** isn’t Black. > > **Huey Freeman** isn’t White. > > **Huey Freeman** isn’t _anything_ because it’s a goddamned fictional character, a role someone is playing on a message board. > > All we have of that character are texts someone wrote in-character and whatever other faked-up pseudo-evidence gets created to further that character. > > (Heck, ascribing this character to _one_ person is merely a least hypothesis, but I fear this will be lost on most.) > > This isn’t some kind of radical skepticism. It’s baseline “I can tell fiction from fact” skepticism we expect all adults to possess. > > And it is… get this… wait for it… wait for it… wait for it… impossible to be racist against a fictional character which doesn’t have a race! **Huey Freeman** is text on a screen! It isn’t a movie character, or a TV character, or a stage character, so it cannot have skin, facial features, hair, hair color, or anything else used to demarcate race. It coincidentally shares the name of a (fictional) cartoon character, which is drawn to be Black, but, unless we’re in the presence of a Licensed Product, it isn’t the same character. > > **Huey Freeman** is a troll. Accusations of racism are invalid. This. It is easy to get confused because most of the other posters on this board are humans; many behind a nom de plume, but individuals regardless. **Derleth** is a real person, although Derleth may or may not be his real name. **Huey Freeman** , on the other hand, is not a real person. He is a character. He does not espouse his personal beliefs (or anyone else’s, for that matter), but those of a fictional character who has developed into a troll. The character doesn’t care about equality, a level playing field, or even fairness in human interaction. The character only cares about making his point that the entire world is against his aspirations and, it’s not his fault, but the fault of everyone else. That’s my problem with Huey Freeman’s persona. While he tries to expose injustice in human relationships, failings in his own persona are ignored, and when you try to point them out, you are labeled a racist. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427/140 "2019-01-13T02:21:20Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > And you’re a white liberal who can’t take a smidge of criticism. You truly believe your shit doesn’t stink. You’re the idiot who attempted to dismiss my criticism of the message board with the accusation that I’m some white guy trying to pull a fast one. It was very white of you. You didn’t even try to give a counterargument. White folks routinely dismiss the experiences of color with these types of accusations. Accusations that people of color are liars, schemers, criminals and hustlers. And, if you manage just an ounce of self-reflection, realize that you have other white supremacists - right in this thread - who have also accused me of being a white man. Keep in mind, these accusations keep coming in even after I fucking posted a picture of myself. I could tell you I didn’t post very much because I attended a convention in Las Vegas this week and you idiots would accuse me of scheming and lying; if I posted a picture of myself with the lanyard, I’d be accused of paying a person of color for the sole purpose of deceiving white folks. So, in reality, it doesn’t matter what I say or do. So, I do nothing. Believe what you want to believe. Lastly, I don’t post in the other folders for two reasons. The first is that one of the moderators referred to one of my posts as “anti-white”. This declaration was followed by a warning regarding behavior that another poster wasn’t warned for. I took that coded language as a hint to leave. You see, when a white man says get off his lawn. I get the fuck off his lawn. The second is that rules aren’t as much corrective as they are a tool for shaming and embarrassment. NONE of which excuses your attacks on peoples’ children. None whatsoever. THAT is on you, and “but white people!!!” isn’t an excuse. You claim you’re equal to white people? Well, then you don’t try and claim people are being racist when they get pissed about that. I’m sure you’d get equally angry if someone went after your family. And I’m going to say this once and for all: The reason I accused you of being a white conservative troll has fuck all to do with race. It has to do with the facts that you happen to share several common traits with past trolls: 1.) Posting about one subject, and one subject only. (And usually incredibly passionate) 2.) Only posting in one forum (usually the Pit or Great Debates) 3.) Automatically accusing anyone who disagrees of being an enemy. We’ve had numerous people who’ve done that over the years. And half the time, they weren’t who and/or what they said they were. The subject didn’t matter (race, politics, religion, conspiracy theories, etc). Hell, it doesn’t just happen here, it happens all over the fucking internet. You can’t tell me you’ve never heard of people doing this kind of shit. You know the phrase, “on the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog?” So you showed your picture and you’re actually black. Okay, I was wrong there. Other people may have missed that post, considering what a long thread it is. Fucking chill. I never claimed that “my shit doesn’t stink”. Your “criticisms” of said message board IIRC, were basically that it was just a bunch of white surpremacists, who were clueless about race relations. (I believe one comment was about white people offering their opinions on O.J. Simpson, or some bullshit like that?) You came here, seeing exactly what you wanted to see. As you just said – “I posted X in another forum, was warned, and saw that obviously they didn’t want me there because I was black!” Well, I’d have to see said warning, but I have a feeling that, once again, it’s simply projection. If only because I’ve been here a lot longer than you have. And as I stated, it’s only about one subject – you don’t seem to care about sports, movies, pets, etc. That’s another red light that you’re a troll. Again, past experience. Blame the other people who’ve come before. THAT is why people are dismissing you. You jumped in, feet first, and immediately started accusing people, guilty until proven innocent, and as I said before, the perfect Kafka trap: “aha – only those who were guilty would deny it!” I don’t dismiss black people of being liars, thieves, criminals, etc.\* That’s bullshit. YOU’RE the one making accusations about white people in general. FINALLY, a good many of the people who disagree with you? They aren’t white. Many of them are also minorities, who’ve suffered from bigotry. (I mentioned two Jewish posters, one of whom is the son of a Holocaust survivor) You know what they say about people who assume? \*Well, depending on what sports team you root for. As anyone who posts here can tell you, I’m pretty hard core there. Now I have a hockey game to watch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-huey-freeman/827427.md?page=8)