# What the fuck is wrong with these homophobic bigots? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2000, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948 "2000-02-01T17:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/221 "2000-02-17T17:39:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Snark: > > Otto: Still waiting for you, or anyone else for that matter, to explain how legalized same-sex marriage is harmful to individuals, communities or the nation… > > Snark: Here’s a link to what the LDS prophets teach concerning the family and the consequences for its disintegration: {ahem} Perhaps we should have stated specifically _non-religious_ explanations, as they are the ones that are supposed to hold up in court. Esprix, being not a big fan of “prophets” * * * Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![cleosia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@cleosia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cleosia)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/222 "2000-02-17T17:57:00Z")
I do have a side note to this whole debate: why does the thought of man-on-man sex gives hetero men a case of the screaming meemies but the thought of woman-on-women sex give them the hots? * * * Bitch by Birth ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2000, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/223 "2000-02-18T06:09:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by cleosia: > > I do have a side note to this whole debate: why does the thought of man-on-man sex gives hetero men a case of the screaming meemies but the thought of woman-on-women sex give them the hots? The woman-on-woman thing is a very complex psycho-sexual thing, and been researched to death, but I have no idea myself. I once conducted an experiment - I had two straight female and one straight male friend over, and they wanted to see some of my gay porn. So I popped in the tape and watched their reactions. The two women just kind of went, “Eh, I don’t see the appeal,” and the guy had this befuddled, confused look on his face. However, there was one point where all three of them shrieked, turned their heads and went “Bleh!” When two men kissed. Sure, we can handle cocks and asses, but any sign of affection and its just plain wrong. There is something seriously wrong with this country… Esprix * * * Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![StarvinMarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7993a0/32.png) [@StarvinMarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvinMarvin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2000, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/224 "2000-02-18T06:12:00Z")
LEt me clear the records here for Rousseau and Otto/Esprix; I am not a troll, nor have I ever been. I am a person who like all others can become exhausted by arguing with the insane and those with MPD’s (Multiple Personality Disorders). Rousseau your comment on association with me is quite poignant. I wished to distance my views and associations from that of Boomer, and havent made any comments or actions that you didnt concur with till now. Why now? I havent been troll-ish, I have responded to Esprix/Otto in the militant and attacking way he has addressed me. All others have been treated well and heard out and talked to politely, to inlcude you. Is that a problem? If so, do tell, because I dont want to think I have an ally or friend when what I have is a wolf in sheeps clothes. Deal? ---
**Author:** ![StarvinMarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7993a0/32.png) [@StarvinMarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvinMarvin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2000, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/225 "2000-02-18T06:15:00Z")
For the record I dont find two women together erotic or arousing either. Been there, have had that in real life, wasnt all that. Its not what its all cracked up to be, and I dumped the woman after I saw that little “party”. So dont call me “typical male” or “macho” either. Im just me. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2000, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/226 "2000-02-18T06:22:00Z")
Esprix, are you saying that the UU Church is a non-prophet religious entity? 😃 (Just to break the tension a little.) ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/227 "2000-02-17T19:05:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Polycarp: > > Esprix, are you saying that the UU Church is a non-prophet religious entity? 😃 😃 That’s a keeper! > [@](#): > > (Just to break the tension a little.) Tension? What tension? All I hear is this annoying little buzzing sound from a genus of insect called _Trollus MarvinBoomerDiamondus_. Easily swatted, but hard to get rid of. Esprix * * * Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![StarvinMarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7993a0/32.png) [@StarvinMarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvinMarvin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/228 "2000-02-17T19:34:00Z")
Jab, jab, ad hominem attack, jab, ad hominem attack. Avoid, avoid, ignore, jab, jab,ignore, ad hominem attack, rant, attack, avoid. Start another fight. Remind you of anything? perhaps this: Above is the strategy guide that Esprix/Otto subscribes to. ---
**Author:** ![StarvinMarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7993a0/32.png) [@StarvinMarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvinMarvin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/229 "2000-02-17T19:37:00Z")
If there is anyone one poster around here that is Phaedrus, its Esprix. Hence the multiple personalities fighting together. The ignoring of any amount of evidence or reasonable argument. The endless diatribes and writing style. The countless quotes used to attack, all taken and contorted, even out of context. The way that he attacks a person who tires and become bored with his mind games. Yes, its you all over again. Now go away AGAIN!!! ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/230 "2000-02-17T19:42:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Polycarp: > > To wit: The U.S. Supreme Court rules on the cases that come before it. If a law is challenged as being against the Constitution (e.g., violating rights protected thereunder), then the case is dismissed as being pursued under an illegal (because unconstitutional) law. This affects directly only the person(s) involved in the case that came before the court. > > But it sets a precedent binding on every court in the nation, because it is the Supreme Court of the United States. They are obliged to render a decision in conformity to its decisions whenever a case with strong parallels comes before them. So if Arkansas passes a law that allows teachers to lead willing students in a nondenominational prayer, and the USSC says that is in violation of the freedom of religion clause, the similar law that Kansas passed is going to get thrown out for the same reason, if it makes it to the court. Since judges very much dislike getting reversed by the USSC, the Kansas judge hearing the case challenging that law throws it out, basing his decision on the USSC Arkansas case. > > So if the USSC found that laws prohibiting gays from marrying each other were illegal on constitutional grounds (and the Loving v. Virginia precedent would seem to validate that), then all 50 states would have to recognize such marriages. Precedent requires it. This is what I said; I just used fewer words. > [@](#): > > Snark: > > Here’s a link to what the LDS prophets teach concerning the family and the consequences for its disintegration Since marriages create families, ruminations on the disintegration of families is not relevant. > [@](#): > > Marvin > > I am not a troll, nor have I ever been. Denial…if you have to say you’re not a troll… ---
**Author:** ![Snark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Snark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snark)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/231 "2000-02-17T19:53:00Z")
Just curious, Otto: did you actually read the link before commenting on it? ---
**Author:** ![StarvinMarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7993a0/32.png) [@StarvinMarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvinMarvin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/232 "2000-02-17T19:55:00Z")
thats like the 5th time someone has asked him that. Isnt it funny? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/233 "2000-02-17T19:56:00Z")
Ooo, someone’s learned a new word - _ad hominem_ - and like any typical 2-year-old, we can’t seem to get him to shut up about it. Esprix * * * Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/234 "2000-02-17T20:08:00Z")
Hey, Diamond made it quite clear that he had an unreasoned antigay attitude resulting from an early molestation situation, which on reading, he rethought. You do need to hear the other side on these things – not everyone who disagrees on a subject is auto-trolling. 🙂 And Rousseau is willing to debate rather than just trade insults, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/235 "2000-02-17T20:10:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Snark: Just curious, Otto: did you actually read the link before commenting on it? > > MarvinBoomerDiamond: thats like the 5th time someone has asked him that. Isnt it funny? I think its even funnier that **no one else** has asked him that before, let alone 4 other people, proving yet again that MarvinBoomerDiamond doesn’t bother to actually _read_ anyone’s posts, just rant and rave at people who have hurt his widdle feelings in the past. I think that just about puts the cap on the whole troll issue. For the record, Snark, I did read the link, and didn’t gather anything useful from it. Esprix * * * Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/236 "2000-02-17T20:30:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Just curious, Otto: did you actually read the link before commenting on it? I’ve read policy statements from the Mormons on “the family” before. Don’t you love how these religious wingnuts never talk about **families**? They always talk about “the family” as if there’s only one. Anyway, there’s nothing new in your link. The Mormons don’t believe that two people of the same sex can form a family. Awful big talk coming from the Mormons, who considering how enamored they are with “non-traditional” (read: polygamous) families, ought to be the last bunch trying to tell anyone how to be a family. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/237 "2000-02-17T20:38:00Z")
> [@](#): > > I think its even funnier that no one else has asked him that before, let alone 4 other people I think he believes that, since he’s convinced everyone here is posting under at least three different identities, if one person asks all of his personae are asking too. ---
**Author:** ![StarvinMarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7993a0/32.png) [@StarvinMarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvinMarvin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/238 "2000-02-17T20:42:00Z")
So is this what militant gay guys do for entertainment all day long? Attack straight folks? Start threads and then set the dogs loose? The two of you make a lovely couple. Ever considered that? Try it. Occupy each other and thus effectively remove both of you for a while. But know that I will nto be going anywhere, so dont waste the time to suggest it. oh and KEN, fuck you, you deranged flamboyant head case. ---
**Author:** ![StarvinMarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7993a0/32.png) [@StarvinMarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvinMarvin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/239 "2000-02-17T20:44:00Z")
would “Il corpo” be a good replacement of “ad hominem” or does the whole idea of someone CHARACTERIZING YOU in two words bug you? ---
**Author:** ![Snark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Snark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snark)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2000, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/240 "2000-02-17T20:51:00Z")
Otto wrote: > [@](#): > > Anyway, there’s nothing new in your link. I didn’t say it was “new.” Does something have to be “new” to be true? > [@](#): > > The Mormons don’t believe that two people of the same sex can form a family. Awful big talk coming from the Mormons, who considering how enamored they are with “non-traditional” (read: polygamous) families, ought to be the last bunch trying to tell anyone how to be a family. Actually, the Mormons haven’t practiced polygamy for over 100 years. But at least those who practiced it did it heterosexually. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948.md?page=13)