# What the fuck is wrong with these homophobic bigots? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 1, 2000, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948 "2000-02-01T17:33:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Vestal\_Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/5e9695/32.png) [@Vestal\_Blue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vestal_Blue)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/121 "2000-02-11T00:28:00Z")
I had pretty much determined not to post on this thread anymore, and just follow the argument. however, within the hail storm of epithets and emotions flying back and forth, I see some truths and solid points on either side. I contributed to the inflammatory remarks flying around, and once more I apologize. Although my basic anti-homosexual position has not changed, a very special lady helped me to calm down, and be willing to acknowledge the side of the issue not my own. On my last post I let a _very_ piece of personal history become known, and then held my breath, waiting to get shredded; that didn’t happen. This thread has given me a chance to start healing a 32 year old wound, and has caused me to do some deeper thinking on a subject I habitually haved reacted to in a knee-jerk fashion. Thank you all, on **both** sides, and most especially, thank you Phouka. * * * VB I could never eat a mouse raw…their little feet are probably real cold going down. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![StarvinMarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7993a0/32.png) [@StarvinMarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvinMarvin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/122 "2000-02-11T00:31:00Z")
(tapping Jab on shoulder) Buddy, you are about 2 hours late, and thousands short. I posted what evidence you would attempt to use, hours ago. Not to mention that you attempt to make my AD HOMINEM jab (yes I admit it) into an attack on the group as a whole. Sad. False. Disingenuous. HAVE A NICE DAY INDEED! DOnt you read before you post? ☹ I was cleared of YOUR charges, before you even came to court. * * * "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. " Jonathan Swift ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/123 "2000-02-11T03:16:00Z")
> [@](#): > > That’s the kind of argument I used to employ, when I was ten years old! You were pretty bright for a ten year old. Too bad you didn’t get any brighter. > [@](#): > > No, Otto, I choose to hear out people with opposing viewpoints. That’s how we LEARN. If you want to bury your moron head in the sand and ignore everybody who disagrees with you, well, that’s your right. Of course I’m not ignoring anyone, seeing as how I’m responding to posts in this thread with some regularity. Can you explain how responding in detail to a wide variety of people and viewpoints within this thread and this forum is “burying my head in the sand” and “ignoring everybody”? > [@](#): > > Me: > > I believe I can say what I want to you because this is the goddamn United States of America. > > Rousseau: You miiiiiight wanna rethink that one. This _isn’t_ the goddamn United States of America? > [@](#): > > Quick–name one right that is guaranteed by the Constitution that you cannot exercise because of your LIFESTYLE. Because of my “lifestyle”? The term is without meaning in this context (although it was ever so darling for you to type it in all caps as if that would prove something). Because of my sexual orientation I am denied First, Fourth, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment protections. > [@](#): > > Then what the fuck is it? It’s a sexual orientation. The term has specific psychological, sociological and legal meanings. If you’re going to pop off about gay issues, you might want to familiarize yourself with them. > [@](#): > > Even people from the school of thought that it is inborn and genetic agree that it is a lifestyle. Source? I think I’ve read just a tiny bit more queer theory than you have, and the overwhelming concensus of opinion among those who actually think about this stuff outside message boards is that “lifestyle” is not an accurate or descriptive term. But hey, let’s go with “lifestyle” for a minute. What are the components of the “gay lifestyle”? What lifestyle elements were shared by Danny Kaye, Magnus Hirschfeld and Roberta Achtenberg (just to name three more or less at random)? > [@](#): > > OK, so then by your logic I can ignore YOUR hardships, since I am blinded by my own “righteous rage.” Um…no? How the hell did you come up with that one? > [@](#): > > Oh, this is really profound coming from you, Otto, since you seem so sympathetic to people who belong to groups other than your own. You can of course provide examples, other than my bitchslapping Diamond for complaining about how tough it is to make it through life as a member of the planet’s most privileged class. > [@](#): > > Get out of my face, you hypocrite. Oh look, here I am in your face again. BTW, you can provide examples of my supposed hypocrisy, right? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/124 "2000-02-11T03:19:00Z")
Marvin > [@](#): > > Hence the tightly followed script and finishing of each others thoughts Now now, don’t be jealous, someday maybe you’ll have a thought too! ---
**Author:** ![CalifBoomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f1d935/32.png) [@CalifBoomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalifBoomer)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/125 "2000-02-11T04:16:00Z")
Esprix & Otto: Why the hell do you people describe yourselves as “gay”? More descriptive (and honest) to call yourselves ‘fellators and sodomites’. BTW, I fully support your right to have a stiff dick shoved up your shitty asses. Your pal, Boomer 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/126 "2000-02-11T08:12:00Z")
> [@](#): > > This isn’t the goddamn United States of America? Actually, no, it’s not. This is the Straight Dope Message Board, specifically the BBQ Pit. We are international, though most of our posters do seem to live in the USA. I’d also like to note that the U.S. Constitution says that the GOVERNMENT shall not restrict speech. The SD can restrict speech on its own site as much as it wants. And finally (this goes out to everyone), just use ONE handle per person. If you continue using more than one handle after being warned, you are subject to banishment from TSD. Lynn For the Straight Dope ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/127 "2000-02-11T16:03:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Actually, no, it’s not. This is the Straight Dope Message Board, specifically the BBQ Pit. We are international, though most of our posters do seem to live in the USA. I was speaking in the broader sense of my freedom to speak rather than the specific “freedom to speak on a message board.” > [@](#): > > I’d also like to note that the U.S. Constitution says that the GOVERNMENT shall not restrict speech. The SD can restrict speech on its own site as much as it wants. Absolutely you have the right to control your own message boards. No one’s disputing that. Again, I was speaking in broader terms. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/128 "2000-02-11T16:14:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Why the hell do you people describe yourselves as “gay”? There is some difference of opinion as to the origin of the term “gay” as applied to homosexuality. If you’re really interested, as opposed to just asking in a “why did you ruin this word” asshole bigot context, I’d be happy to dig up some research for you. > [@](#): > > More descriptive (and honest) to call yourselves ‘fellators and sodomites’. Not all gay people engage in the acts which would be indicated by the descriptors above. Very few gay females, for example, engage in fellatio. “Sodomite” is historically inaccurate as well, as it derives from the Biblical story of Sodom, which the Bible clearly states was destroyed for inhospitality and hardness of heart toward the poor. So, given the long history of the term “gay,” I have a feeling we’ll stick with it, thanks. > [@](#): > > BTW, I fully support your right to have a stiff dick shoved up your shitty asses. And I yours. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/129 "2000-02-11T17:29:00Z")
> [@](#): > > More descriptive (and honest) to call yourselves ‘fellators and sodomites’. I am a fellator and a sodomite. I am also a VERY heterosexual female. What, again, was your point? ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/130 "2000-02-11T17:31:00Z")
> [@](#): > > More descriptive (and honest) to call yourselves ‘fellators and sodomites’. I am a fellator and a sodomite. I am also a VERY heterosexual female. What, again, was your point? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/131 "2000-02-11T17:38:00Z")
My, what fun I’ve started! > [@](#): > > Originally posted by Rousseau: > > Yes, I do [honestly think homosexuals choose to be so]. Then how do you explain that the medical community disagrees with you? > [@](#): > > [Reverse discrimination] makes it harder for white males to get into colleges and get jobs. It allows for a society in which white males can be openly mocked in the media, and if they happen to retort, they can be labeled “bigots.” If a family were to object, do you think it would easier for a husband to make decisions for his wife when she becomes incapacitated than the same-sex partner of an incapacitated person? > [@](#): > > Indeed, the writers of our Constitution and the other documents of its ilk, which form the basis of our idea of “civil rights” today, grounded their writings and ideas in the Bible. No one is arguing history, and I agree with the above. However, do you still feel that _today’s_ laws are based soley or predominantly on Christian beliefs? Do you feel they _should_ be? > [@](#): > > Yeah, like what? I do my part in the ways most ordinary citizens would - I vote my conscience, I contribute time and money to causes in which I believe, and I post happy messages in public forums such as The Straight Dope. 🙂 Am I going to be running for Congress any time soon? No, but I’m going to continue to be vilgilant about who I put there to represent me. I should note that I have often, and am again, considered devoting my life to the ministry to, in some small way, make the world a slightly better place. > [@](#): > > Further, comparing the integration of the armed forces to SSMs is really pointless. Yes, they both involved gay rights. But that’s where the similarity ends. The same is true for comparing it to the integration of schools in Arkansas and around the South. The armed forces I already conceded wasn’t comparable to SSM’s, but how does it _not_ relate to the integration of schools? Both are civil rights issues, revolving around equal treatment of every person in the US under the law. Once again, I’ll ask what part of “with liberty and justice for all” you don’t understand. > [@](#): > > Well, your comprehension of the business world astounds me… it could be that they’re trying to avoid getting screwed, or milked out of their money by con artists. But, no, the discrimination thing makes much more sense. How would same-sex marriages screw over or defraud businesses? > [@](#): > > Every study that I have encountered that showed blatant and recurring homosexual behavior occuring amoung primates was run under “isolation” conditions. Then we’re reading very, very different studies - the ones I’ve read document homosexuality among higher primates in their natural habitat. I will endeavor to find some research when I have the time. (Dammit, I _hate_ when I actually have to _work_ at work…) > [@](#): > > Originally posted by Vestal Blue: > > When I was a child I was molested by a self-acknowledged homosexual teenager… My sincerest condolences - that is too brutal for words. I hope, in time, you get whatever help you need and your wounds heal. > [@](#): > > Originally posted by Otto: > > It wears on me day after day to have to justify my existence to these loser assholes who think that just because they like sticking their dicks in women they’re better than I am, and then whine about what a hardship it is to have to put up with the sick deviants. Well, I wouldn’t have put it _quite_ like that, but I agree, Otto. I put a picture of my boyfriend on my desk at work, and I risk losing my job, being harassed, and accused of “flaunting it.” Don’t you just _love_ this “choice” we’ve made? 🙂 > [@](#): > > Originally posted by Rousseau: > > You can’t just ignore the opinion of the majority. And when the MAJORITY of the people say no to homo marriages, there shalt be no homo marriages. Well, the Supreme Court has been known to make non-majority popular decisions in its time (i.e., separation of church and state, “separate but equal” being unconstitutional, etc.), but in general, yes, I’d say you’re right. And, as you say, I don’t think either side is going to give up the fight on this one no matter what majority opinion might be - what a boring world it would be if we did! > [@](#): > > Everybody, no matter what color, creed, or lifestyle, has certain inconveniences that they are born into. But does that make it right to discriminate? Do you think this shouldn’t change? > [@](#): > > Originally posted by phouka: > > The quicker we can put aside our anger, the faster we can assure our neighbor that we mean them no harm, the sooner we will all be able to relax and enjoy our own lives. Well, in the long-run, yes, but I rather enjoy this kind of banter from time to time… 🙂 > [@](#): > > Originally posted by StarvinMarvin: > > And to call me pink? I am not one of the orifices you wish to indulge in nor am I the shade of the youth you lust over. Evidently you are not familiar with the Bob and the Church of the Sub-Genius. Slacker. > [@](#): > > I noticed that anything having the word or connotations of “non-homosexuality” offends you. Actually, no, only you do. I’m rather enjoying chatting with Rousseau, but then, he has more brain cells to rub together than you do. > [@](#): > > YOu are right on one thing though- I may be wrong about Esprix and Otto. Perhaps they are lovers attempting to ban together to attack the rest of us? Hence the tightly followed script and finishing of each others thoughts, and the lack of independent argument. Now you’re seeing conspiracies? Yeah, _there’s_ an effective argumentative ploy… :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Originally posted by jab1: > > It’s funny, but I don’t remember choosing to be straight. All I remember is, I started having wet dreams when I was a teen and they all involved women. Sounds familiar, only I was in love with my high school senior class president. Since the psychological profession seems to agree that sexual orientation is determined at a very, very young age, and it seems to be such a complex combination of genetics, biology, physiology, environment, neurology, ad nauseum, it’s an argument that really doesn’t count much towards civil rights in the US… yet it keeps coming back into the argument. > [@](#): > > And if you don’t like it, go to Hell, go directly to Hell, do not pass “Go,” do not collect $200. Oh, a Tom Lehrer fan? 🙂 [quote] Esprix is gay; [StarvinMarvin] accuse[s] him of “lusting after youth,” and without evidence, of c ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/132 "2000-02-11T17:42:00Z")
**WHOOPS!** I wrote: > [@](#): > > The armed forces I already conceded wasn’t comparable to SSM’s, but how does it not relate to the integration of schools? Both are civil rights issues, revolving around equal treatment of every person in the US under the law. Once again, I’ll ask what part of “with liberty and justice for all” you don’t understand. I meant to say that the integration of the armed forces doesn’t relate to SSM’s, but that _SSM’s_ relate to _school integration._ Sorry if there was any confusion. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/133 "2000-02-11T17:49:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Drain Bead: > \*\* I am a fellator and a sodomite. > > I am also a VERY heterosexual female. > > What, again, was your point? \*\* Addressing solely the grammatical and usage point raised here… Dain, I suggest you are a _fellatrix_. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2000, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/134 "2000-02-12T06:07:00Z")
Funny, you go through all that trouble to correct that, and you end up calling me Dain. 😛 This is why I don’t point out S&G errors unless they’re funny. There’s some sort of unwritten law of posting that says that any post correcting someone else’s S&G has at least one error of its own. You may now carry on with your regularly scheduled flame war. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/135 "2000-02-11T20:18:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by CalifBoomer and responded to by Otto: BTW, I fully support your right to have a stiff dick shoved up your shitty asses. > \*\* And I yours.\*\* That’s one of the wittiest, most-scathing-yet-minimalist, and downright funny ripostes I’ve seen on this board. Bravo. As an aside…I hate that “str8” thing. It seems too “valley girl” or Prince-inspired a la U R 2 Sweet, or Q T Pie. Quit it. Now, back to the distribes. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/136 "2000-02-11T20:19:00Z")
shit. di **a** tribes. ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/137 "2000-02-11T21:09:00Z")
Okay, this has spilled over onto the “Derrick Thomas” thread. And I admit I did the spilling. But I did so to let anyone who read that thread and not this one what kind of a bigot **StarvinMarvin** truly is. And I think SM is someone else’s sock puppet. Why? He claimed I have a long track record of failure (which isn’t true), and yet his profile says he registered only _8 days ago_, whereas I’ve been here since last September and have NEVER posted under any other name. (Of course, you’ll all have to take my word on that one.) Now, I do not think SM is **Phaedrus** , but he did invoke the lunatic’s name earlier, so I thought I’d share with y’all something: 1. On the “flat Earth” thread, the Shining One claimed to live in Ohio. (No way to verify this, but we don’t need to.) 2. **KGB** posted there in Ken’s defense and in one post, claimed to be male. 3. In the “psychosis” thread, **KGB** claimed to be Ken’s **female** cousin. 4. “She” also claimed to be sharing the Faded One’s email address. 5. According to the profile, **KGB** claimed to live in California. Conclusion: **StarvinMarvin** admires a liar. * * * \>\< DARWIN \> \_\_ **L\_\_\_L** ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/138 "2000-02-11T22:44:00Z")
It has been speculated that Otto has more than one screen name. Methinks the adverse is true: there must be more than one person behind the Otto screen name. How else to explain the fact that he keeps forgetting things that he posted yesterday??? > [@](#): > > Of course I’m not ignoring anyone, seeing as how I’m responding to posts in this thread with some regularity. Ah, but replying to a post doesn’t mean that you’ve considered it. Allow me to refresh your memory: > [@](#): > > Were it not for asshole shit-for-brain idiot whoresons like yourself who blather away endlessly about “sexual deviancy” and “special rights” and how incredibly fucking hard it is to be a member of the most privileged class on the face of the fucking earth, you’d pretty much never hear a word out of any of us. “Asshole shit-for-brain idiot whoresons?” “Blather away endlessly?” It doesn’t sound to _me_ like you’ve considered his point of view. Shalt I continue? Soitanly! > [@](#): > > It wears on me day after day to have to justify my existence to these loser assholes who think that just because they like sticking their dicks in women they’re better than I am, and then whine about what a hardship it is to have to put up with the sick deviants. So yeah, every once in a while I give back what I get. Don’t like it? Too fucking bad, but I don’t need your pissy, prissy, schoolmarm lectures about the fucking high road. Oh, this reflects a high level of consideration on your part. I get the impression from these posts that you aren’t really interested in what the other side of the argument has to say, as much as you are interested in slinging profanities at them. > [@](#): > > This isn’t the goddamn United States of America? Somehow, in my heart of hearts, I knew that you weren’t bright enough to catch what I was trying to say without me explaining every word to you. Your face-value assessment of what I said reflects, at best, a mediocre junior high education. What I meant was that being in America doesn’t give you the right to say what you want when you want. Selfish, self-righteous egomaniacs (like, oh, I don’t know, you) often hold that they can say whatever they please, whenever they please, to whomever they please. No. Yes, you are guaranteed the right to free speech by the written laws of the nation. But as a (presumably) functional member of a functional society, you have the responsibility to not go around saying things that deliberately offend people. I could give you an example of what I might say to you if I wanted to hurt your feelings, but I’m not going to lower myself to your level. > [@](#): > > Because of my sexual orientation I am denied First, Fourth, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment protections. That’s a new one. I will assume that by “First Amendment,” you are referring to instances in which homosexuals have not been allowed to, say, march in parades. You see this as a violation of your freedom of assembly. Once again, you demonstrate very shallow and self-centered thinking. Homosexuals were not prohibited from marching in the St. Patrick’s Day Parade. If they wanted to get in line and march with the 4H club or something, they could go right ahead. Besides, your freedom of assembly does not give you the right to flaunt your views in front of others, especially if it is believed that it might cause some civil disobedience (see the infamous Skokie case). I’m not equating gays in the St. Patrick’s Day parade with Nazis in Skokie, but homosexuals + drunk Irishmen = trouble. That’s a natural fact. But I’ve digressed. Fourth Amendment? Hrm. Your protections against illegal search and seizure are denied? You’ll have to explain this one to me. Five? I’m guessing you’re referring to “nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law,” and you think that “liberty” refers to your right to get hitched. Sorry, but you’re wrong. “Liberty” in the context of the Amendment (which, as we all know, refers to the due process of the law–you don’t have to bear witness against yourself, no double jeopardy, etc) means “the state of not being in jail.” So, unless you’ve been incarcerated for being gay without due process, I’m gonna need some further clarification here. Fourteenth? You’re wrong right off the bat, since only Amendments 1-10 constitute the “Bill of Rights.” Fourteen is not between one and ten, and therefore, it does not describe a “Constitutional right,” in the commonly accepted sense. But anyway, you’d still be wrong. Let’s examine: > [@](#): > > No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; If someone wants to go out and find the definition of “marriage,” as it appears in any state’s law books, they can go ahead. But my guess is that it specifies that the partners must be of opposite genders. Therefore, laws against SSMs are not abridging your priveledge to get married, in the legal definition of the word. Let’s not dignify this drivel about your Constitutional rights any longer. > [@](#): > > It’s a sexual orientation. The term has specific psychological, sociological and legal meanings. Hahahahaha. “It’s not a lifestyle, but it has psychological, sociological, and legal ramifications.” You are, as my grandfather would say, “a numbskull in the first degree.” > [@](#): > > What are the components of the “gay lifestyle”? 1. Sexual/life partners are chosen from within your own gender. I said: > [@](#): > > OK, so then by your logic I can ignore YOUR hardships, since I am blinded by my own "righteous rage. Otto said: > [@](#): > > Um…no? How the hell did you come up with that one? Because when I accused you of ignoring the situations of people who are members of other groups besides for your own, you said: > [@](#): > > And my righteous rage at being denied my civil and Constitutional rights in no way detracts from the hardships of anyone else. So, if you have the right to ignore the hardships of other people on account of your “righteous rage,” then so do I. > [@](#): > > You can of course provide examples, other than my bitchslapping Diamond for complaining about how tough it is to make it through life as a member of the planet’s most privileged class. I feel no need to post the same quotes again. If you examine your “bitch-slappings” of Diamond, you’ll find that you say things like “like you,” and “of your ilk.” This implies that it’s not an isolated incident. I’m sorry, maybe I need to dumb that down for you: it’s happened more than once. By the way, Diamond was not “complaining about how tough it is to make it through life as a member of the planet’s most privileged class.” He was pointing out to you that straight white males have problems too. I’ve also tried to get this concept through your thick skull, but it doesn’t seem to be working. > [@](#): > > BTW, you can provide examples of my supposed hypocrisy, right? I think I’ve done a sufficient job of that, hypocrite. [quote] “Sodomite” is historically ---
**Author:** ![StarvinMarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7993a0/32.png) [@StarvinMarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvinMarvin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/139 "2000-02-11T22:48:00Z")
Diversionary tactics-how new- how genius! I have read from this board since November. I registered just recently. I said that in my first post. I even said that I could have chosen a much better place to make my first post, but I chose here. So smarty pants what now? Go home and rethink a new conspiracy (realizing that this heckler reminds me of many RECENT trolls and may be trying to divert attention by blaming the innocent so that no one stops to see how many SOCK PUPPETS HE MAY HAVE??) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2000, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948/140 "2000-02-11T23:06:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Fourteenth? You’re wrong right off the bat, since only Amendments 1-10 constitute the “Bill of Rights.” Fourteen is not between one and ten, and therefore, it does not describe a “Constitutional right,” in the commonly accepted sense. But anyway, you’d still be wrong. Er, huh? Can you expand on that one a little, {b]Rousseau\*\*? I was under the impression that the Constitution is the Constitution. One Amendment to the original document is as valid as any other Amendment. Or are you saying that universal sufferage, say, or freedom from slavery aren’t rights? -andros- [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-these-homophobic-bigots/4948.md?page=8)