# What the \*fuck\*? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 24, 2003, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153 "2003-06-24T22:10:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/1 "2003-06-24T22:10:29Z")
[Link](http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/6155100.htm) I seriously have no words to express how I felt reading this. Literally sick with the injustice of it. 2 American doctors in a fucking _fully-stocked_ hospital setting couldn’t treat three kids? Oh, but they could fix the father’s flat tire, so it’s all fucking peachy, right? So are they allowed to fix god-damned Nissans but not _kids_? No, it wasn’t life-threatening, but…jesus. I’m sorry, don’t doctors (at least in the US) take an oath when the become doctors to provide care and comfort when they can? I hope those two ‘doctors’ rot in hell. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/2 "2003-06-24T22:16:29Z")
Yep, the Hippocratic oath. Bastards. Fucking BASTARDS. They’re KIDS. Oh god, FUCK IT ALL!!! ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/3 "2003-06-24T22:20:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Our goal is for the Iraqis to use their own existing infrastructure and become self-sufficient, not dependent on U.S. forces for medical care," Accetta said. This is my favorite part! Haven’t we been doing just about all that we can since the early 90 to make sure that they have no infrastructure? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2003, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/4 "2003-06-24T22:26:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Mutlaq said he often heard the children whimper at night from the pain. But despite their suffering, he said he felt no bitterness. > > “How can I not love the Americans? They helped me with a flat tire the other day,” he said. Apparently, the one thing they still have in abundance in Iraq is bitter irony. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/5 "2003-06-25T01:52:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Binarydrone \* > \*\*This is my favorite part! Haven’t we been doing just about all that we can since the early 90 to make sure that they have no infrastructure? \*\* Who is this “we” that you speak of? The sanctions were imposed by the U.N., not unilaterally by the U.S. Also, Saddam had been the one looting Iraqi resources for his military, and himself, to the detriment of the Iraqi people. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/6 "2003-06-25T08:16:16Z")
Of course they had no responsibility to treat the kids. But they should have treated them anyway. We’re not talking about expensive skin grafts. Clean the wounds, bandages, maybe some antibiotics and something for the pain. If we care about the Iraqi people (and I do not think that we do), then turning away three burned children simply because we were not _required_ to help is sending a vey bad message. ---
**Author:** ![Tarantula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e274bd/32.png) [@Tarantula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarantula)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/7 "2003-06-25T09:52:50Z")
I think the point is that _anyone_ should try to help people in this situation… It’s just really sad. What fuckers. ---
**Author:** ![green\_bladder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/73ab20/32.png) [@green\_bladder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/green_bladder)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/8 "2003-06-25T10:39:35Z")
Jesus. What fucking assholes. > [@](#): > > But despite their suffering, he said he felt no bitterness… > “How can I not love the Americans? They helped me with a flat tire the other day,” he said. If that isn’t sarcasm, then I’m just lost for words… ---
**Author:** ![Gorgon\_Heap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@Gorgon\_Heap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorgon_Heap)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/9 "2003-06-25T12:34:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Now, two of the children are covered with scabs. One cannot use his right leg. And Borell is shattered. > > “I have never seen, in almost 14 years of Army experience, anything that callous,” No pun intended? And I agree. Helping them out would have cost them about a half-hour and five bucks. I do _not_, however, blame the military. I blame the doctors. From my experience, an awful lot of doctors are like this. Too many, in fact. They’re just as bad as lawyers, but manage to keep it under wraps. Well, you know what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/10 "2003-06-25T13:28:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Of course they had no responsibility to treat the kids. But they should have treated them anyway. We’re not talking about expensive skin grafts. Clean the wounds, bandages, maybe some antibiotics and something for the pain. Yes, they did so have a responsibility. They’re _doctors_, and they are required to care for people who need help. What kind men can look at suffering children and refuse to help? I’m humiliated that those scum are wearing the uniform of my country. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/11 "2003-06-25T19:34:32Z")
I hope they’re brought up on charges. My god, these are little KIDS. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/12 "2003-06-25T19:51:02Z")
> [@](#): > > A U.S. military spokesman said that the children’s condition did not fall into a category that required Army physicians to treat them - and that there was no inappropriate response on the part of the doctors. Not likely. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/13 "2003-06-25T20:01:41Z")
Well, how could he not love Americans? We helped him change his tire. And he, like his countrymen, has a LOT of experience at smiling big and spouting happy nonsense whenever the musclemen ruling his country decide to take a dump on him. New boss is looking a lot like the old boss… ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/14 "2003-06-25T20:27:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*Who is this “we” that you speak of? The sanctions were imposed by the U.N., not unilaterally by the U.S. Also, Saddam had been the one looting Iraqi resources for his military, and himself, to the detriment of the Iraqi people. \*\* last time i checked we were still in the UN ---
**Author:** ![ShoNuff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@ShoNuff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShoNuff)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/15 "2003-06-25T20:48:23Z")
So much for winning their hearts and minds… ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2003, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/16 "2003-06-25T20:51:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > **Yep, the Hippocratic oath.** Ah, I think they were close because they took the Hypocritic oath. Pigfuckers. Not only was that absolutely the immoral thing to do, but it puts a political face on things that’s going to be bad for all of us. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2003, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/17 "2003-06-26T04:40:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*last time i checked we were still in the UN \*\* Yes, and I could very well be wrong, but I got the feeling that by “we”, Binarydrone meant the U.S. specifically. (And possibly, GWB in particular 😃 ) Anyway, since is the Pit, I’ll ask another question. Why is everyone apparently giving a pass to the father in question, who has _two_ wives and _fourteen_ children he rather obviously cannot provide adequate care for? Just because he has a different culture/religion? His very young kids were playing in the street :eek: with fire :eek: and lighting bags of explosives :eek: And yet, it is somehow OUR fault, however you define we/our. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2003, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/18 "2003-06-26T06:15:56Z")
milroyj, your last comments are, without exception, the _coldest_ words I have ever read here. ---
**Author:** ![Ryle\_Dup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Ryle\_Dup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryle_Dup)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2003, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/19 "2003-06-26T06:47:04Z")
If thats the coldest words you’ve read Zoe, check out the alligator thread. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2003, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153/20 "2003-06-26T06:49:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\* They’re _doctors_, and they are required to care for people who need help. \*\* I don’t think that’s correct. Don’t get me wrong, I agree that they should have helped. There was no reason NOT to help. Morally, anyway. Not legally, though. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-fuck/184153.md?page=2)