# What the hell, Arizona? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 25, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268 "2014-02-25T23:21:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/61 "2014-02-26T23:26:12Z")
I’m here in Arizona and the truth about this law is a little different than has been widely reported. “Under Arizona law, employers and businesses may fire, not hire or refuse to serve people because they’re gay. The cities of Phoenix, Flagstaff and Tucson have ordinances that prohibit this, but SB 1062 would pre-empt those local laws if the business person cites his or her religious beliefs. In fact, if the bill becomes law, voiding those ordinances may be its main practical effect.” So actually this is pre-empting a local (city) law with a state ordinance. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/62 "2014-02-26T23:34:17Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > What if I am a conservative muslim business owner, and I want to adhere to my religious requirement not to interact with women to whom I am unrelated? Your concubines might have a problem with that. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/63 "2014-02-26T23:35:19Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > This has always made me think that someone should start a religion, say the acolytes awaiting the second coming of Judy Garland (all hail her ruby shoes), in which hot, juicy, gay sex is a holy sacrament. What would Judy think about all that, I sometimes wonder . . . ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/64 "2014-02-26T23:40:07Z")
> [@Palo\_Verde](#): > > I’m here in Arizona and the truth about this law is a little different than has been widely reported. “Under Arizona law, employers and businesses may fire, not hire or refuse to serve people because they’re gay. The cities of Phoenix, Flagstaff and Tucson have ordinances that prohibit this, but SB 1062 would pre-empt those local laws if the business person cites his or her religious beliefs. In fact, if the bill becomes law, voiding those ordinances may be its main practical effect.” > > So actually this is pre-empting a local (city) law with a state ordinance. As I reported in post #47. There is a guy in the Elections thread that is trying to tell all that that pre-emption is only in our imaginations. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/65 "2014-02-26T23:48:12Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > What if I am a conservative muslim business owner, and I want to adhere to my religious requirement not to interact with women to whom I am unrelated? In that case, Sucks to be you in America. More seriously, then be an absentee business owner and let more accommodating employees do all the actual work. (Chorus: _Sucks to be you in America. If you run a shop in America, go hire an infidel-American to deal with all other Americans_) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/66 "2014-02-27T00:59:09Z")
[Vetoed](http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/politics/arizona-brewer-bill/), fortunately. > [@](#): > > (CNN) – [Breaking news update at 7:50 p.m. ET] > > Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer said Wednesday that she has vetoed a bill that would have allowed businesses that asserted their religious beliefs the right to deny service to gay and lesbian customers. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/67 "2014-02-27T01:21:15Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > What if I am a conservative muslim business owner, and I want to adhere to my religious requirement not to interact with women to whom I am unrelated? Have one of your wives handle the cash register. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/68 "2014-02-27T01:27:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Pat Buchanan’s response: Repeal **all** civil rights laws!](http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2014/02/25/how-freedom-dies-n1799920/page/full) > > Not making this up. To think I voted for him in my life! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/69 "2014-02-27T01:31:50Z")
Since there is no inherent Right to own a business, and since the law of the land demands equal treatment from those running public serving businesses, both in hiring and in public interaction, there is only one legitimate solution to a personal need to not interact with certain kinds of people. Don’t operate a business. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/70 "2014-02-27T01:34:18Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > To think I voted for him in my life! … you did whatnow? At least you learned your lesson, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/71 "2014-02-27T01:47:00Z")
Yes, in 2000. Gore-Hadn’t distanced himself from Clinton enough Bush-A Republican ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/72 "2014-02-27T01:59:52Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > [Vetoed](http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/politics/arizona-brewer-bill/), fortunately. [And Ohio Pubs respond by withdrawing their own similar bill.](http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/02/26/religious-freedom-bill.html) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/73 "2014-02-27T02:24:28Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Yes, in 2000. > > Gore-Hadn’t distanced himself from Clinton enough > > Bush-A Republican How did that thought process lead you to Pat Buchanan? I feel like there are about six missing steps. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/74 "2014-02-27T02:33:49Z")
Things I liked about him: Anti-NAFTA, willing to stand up to China. I was 22, young and stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/75 "2014-02-27T02:45:28Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > What if I am a conservative muslim business owner, and I want to adhere to my religious requirement not to interact with women to whom I am unrelated? You can’t. I’ve also never heard of any Muslim business owner arguing that if for no other reason that some interpretations of Islam, like Orthodox Judaism forbid coming into physical contact with women they’re not married or related to, but that’s different from “interacting”. Now, some Muslim cabbies have tried to argue that they shouldn’t be forbidden from preventing service dogs in their cabs, but thankfully laws regarding access for handicapped people prevented this. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/76 "2014-02-27T02:49:42Z")
Hey, I voted for Reagan because Carter had just made me register for the draft. It seemed like a good idea at the time. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/77 "2014-02-27T03:07:21Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Things I liked about him: Anti-NAFTA, willing to stand up to China. I was 22, young and stupid. Well, you’re older now anyway. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/78 "2014-02-27T03:17:57Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > Well, you’re older now anyway. Hey! :eek::mad: ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/79 "2014-02-27T03:56:16Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Things I liked about him: Anti-NAFTA, willing to stand up to China. I was 22, young and stupid. 18 and stupid: I voted for Ross Perot. We all make mistakes. Not all as huge as yours, of course. . ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268/80 "2014-02-27T04:02:17Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > How did that thought process lead you to Pat Buchanan? I feel like there are about six missing steps. Maybe one step involved a butterfly. [http://arts.bev.net/roperldavid/politics/fl2000.htm](http://arts.bev.net/roperldavid/politics/fl2000.htm) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-arizona/682268.md?page=5)