# What the hell is going on in Chicago? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 7, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228 "2018-08-07T13:27:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/81 "2018-08-11T02:27:25Z")
As Dook Larue might say, [heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere we go agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnn](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25XFfMqqvc8) ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/82 "2018-08-11T04:11:16Z")
The Babylon Bee is reporting that the murder rate has plateaued: > **[Murder Rate Finally Plateaus In Chicago As Even Murderers Too Scared To Go...](https://babylonbee.com/news/murder-rate-finally-plateaus-in-chicago-as-even-murderers-too-scared-to-go-out-at-night/)** > > CHICAGO, IL—It looked like good news for Chicago as the skyrocketing murder rate finally started to level off, but the reason for the decline turned out to be alarming: murder has gotten so bad in Chicago that now even the average murderer won’t go... ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/83 "2018-08-11T04:12:23Z")
> [@eg8576736](#): > > It’s a huge mistake to assume blacks are good people merely because some have been victims of racism. They’ve historically done plenty of damage to each other. Maybe it’s a sort of self-loathing. An example in their native lands was the 1994 Rwandan genocide where over 800,000 black-on-black murders happened. Does the European genocide of the 1940’s also reflect a sort of self-loathing? If not, what is the difference when white-on-white violence occurs? Or do you concede that it’s also a mistake to assume that whites are good people? > [@](#): > > A big factor is rappers who glorify violence yet claim they want to stop it. They’re apparently unable to understand irony or vicious cycles. Again, I think it’s the less intelligent blacks who are the main problem. Please name 3 rappers who best fit exemplify your description so we can get an idea of what you mean. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/84 "2018-08-11T04:56:35Z")
So what’s the distinction between 1994 Rwanda and 1990s Yugoslavia? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/85 "2018-08-11T05:41:46Z")
> [@Doug\_K](#): > > The Babylon Bee is reporting that the murder rate has plateaued: > > [Murder Rate Finally Plateaus In Chicago As Even Murderers Too Scared To Go Out At Night | Babylon Bee](https://babylonbee.com/news/murder-rate-finally-plateaus-in-chicago-as-even-murderers-too-scared-to-go-out-at-night/) I really hope you realize the Babylon Bee is satirical… ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/86 "2018-08-11T13:19:27Z")
> [@eg8576736](#): > > Again, I think it’s the less intelligent blacks who are the main problem. I wouldn’t throw around terms like that when you think this red head has black skin. Genetics isn’t your strong suit… ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/87 "2018-08-11T14:07:33Z")
> [@eg8576736](#): > > An example in their native lands was the 1994 Rwandan genocide where over 800,000 black-on-black murders happened. Around 620,000 people died in the Civil War in the US. Mostly white people. Is this an example that white people are not good people since they killed each other? How may black people died in WWI and WWII compared to white people? If blacks killing blacks is your metric to prove if they are good or bad people can’t we use it for other wars too? ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/88 "2018-08-11T18:31:08Z")
You and I both know there is no chance in hell of having a reasonable conversation with this guy. I wouldn’t waste my time. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/89 "2018-08-11T23:11:29Z")
> [@eg8576736](#): > > Any area with a large percentage of (less-intelligent) blacks will have high crime rates, and some areas will be more prone to violence (the dumbest of the dumb, maybe). Intelligent people don’t waste energy on continual mayhem. Chicago may be unique for its mobster history (various races) but it seems hard to explain the particulars. > > It’s a huge mistake to assume blacks are good people merely because some have been victims of racism. They’ve historically done plenty of damage to each other. Maybe it’s a sort of self-loathing. An example in their native lands was the 1994 Rwandan genocide where over 800,000 black-on-black murders happened. > > This video shows their ignorant attitudes, which amount to “we gotta keep going this just because we gotta.” Smart people don’t stay in mindless cycles like that. > > “The lost streets of Chicago - BBC News” [https://youtu.be/tbKp8OV6F64](https://youtu.be/tbKp8OV6F64) > > A big factor is rappers who glorify violence yet claim they want to stop it. They’re apparently unable to understand irony or vicious cycles. Again, I think it’s the less intelligent blacks who are the main problem. I am not sure quite what set off this particular rant, but you would be advised to avoid this sort of outright appeal to racism. Paragraph 1 ignores or avoids addressing the issue that other communities have similar populations and are not suffering to the same extent. (Throwing in a remark that it is just the “less-intelligent blacks” does not excuse the racism in the post.) Paragraph 2 was written by someone who ignores or avoids addressing the issues of Northern Ireland, the former Yugoslavia, and other areas where non-African people have engaged in rather stupid internecine violence. In Paragraphs 3 & 4 you ignore or avoid the lessons of history in which people around the world have continued self-destructive behavior despite the obvious nature of their “mindless” actions. And in Paragraph 4 you appeal to an image of a variety of music that you do not appear to actually understand and to which you may not have actually listened. You will not win any debates and you may very well lose your posting privileges with this sort of inflammatory post. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/90 "2018-08-12T03:31:08Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > I really hope you realize the Babylon Bee is satirical… Of course. It seems pretty obvious. A couple of years ago I posed a question on Facebook as to who’s dumber: People who think the Bee is real news or people who think the Bee is fake news pretending to be real news. > [@](#): > > The Babylon Bee is Your Trusted Source For Christian News Satire. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/91 "2018-08-12T03:36:14Z")
[rattles cane] I remember when The Onion was the ONLY satirical news site on the Internet! There are like nine thousand of them now. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/92 "2018-08-12T18:08:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > We can likely do without yet another gun control debate. How about a link to the stupid gun news of the day thread? Is that still a thing? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/93 "2018-08-12T21:21:42Z")
> [@Doug\_K](#): > > Of course. It seems pretty obvious. > > A couple of years ago I posed a question on Facebook as to who’s dumber: People who think the Bee is real news or people who think the Bee is fake news pretending to be real news. I had a former pastor post a Bee article as truth a couple years ago. It never hurts to be cautious. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/94 "2018-08-13T16:17:51Z")
> [@Doug\_K](#): > > who’s dumber: People who think the Bee is real news or people who think the Bee is fake news pretending to be real news. In fairness, it’s been harder than usual for the last couple of years to tell the difference. Wasn’t “Donald Trump Elected President” a headline you’d have expected to see in The Onion as late as 2015? ---
**Author:** ![senoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@senoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/senoy)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228/95 "2018-08-13T18:00:50Z")
> [@Doug\_K](#): > > The Babylon Bee is reporting that the murder rate has plateaued: > > [Murder Rate Finally Plateaus In Chicago As Even Murderers Too Scared To Go Out At Night | Babylon Bee](https://babylonbee.com/news/murder-rate-finally-plateaus-in-chicago-as-even-murderers-too-scared-to-go-out-at-night/) Best line from the article: > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump offered to deploy Space Force personnel to the scene until he learned Chicago wasn’t in space and then lost interest in the problem. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-going-on-in-chicago/819228.md?page=4)