# What the hell is Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 30, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581 "2015-07-30T15:21:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/221 "2015-08-23T20:48:52Z")
One good reason to support him is so [Melania](https://www.facebook.com/anxfreedom/photos/a.369209113264748.1073741830.357615034424156/472721212913537/?type=1&theater)can be First Lady. NSFW version: _Sproinggggg! Aaa-OOO-gah! Aaa-OOO-gah!_ ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/222 "2015-08-23T20:49:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Frankly I sometimes wonder if a Trump presidency would be a good thing after all. I don’t know that I’m up having to put up with 4 to 8 years of the utterly hysterical, off the wall and nonstop nonsense that will be pouring from the left every. fucking. second. of his presidency. Yes, this is definitely the greatest risk we face if _ **Donald Trump** _— shameless liar and exaggerator, slayer of companies, camera-whoring TV personality, sociopolitical simpleton— were to become _ **President** _ of the _ **United States of America** _, arguably the most powerful man in the world: “the Left” might say mean things about him. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/223 "2015-08-23T20:55:13Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Knock it off. > > Take personal attacks to The BBQ Pit. > > [/Moderating] I apologize, **tomndebb**. I haven’t posted in this forum very much in the past and wasn’t aware a comment like that was verbotten. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/224 "2015-08-23T20:59:09Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I was not born yesterday… This is at least the third time you’ve used this phrase in the last couple of days. I’m guessing you just recently discovered it and you think it actually lends some sort of weight to what you say. It doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/225 "2015-08-23T21:14:08Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Yes, I get it. It’s OK to blame the “inferior races” for all your problems when they _ **really are** _ the cause of all your problems, right? Who said anything about inferior races? Who even said there was such a thing? I get it too. No reason in the liberal mind to object to illegal immigration…ergo, no rational or reasonable reason exists to object to illegal immigration…ergo, objection = racism. It’s all bullshit and a very large part of the reason Trump is doing so well. People are fed up with the liberal my-way-or-you’re-some-kind-of-asshole approach to politics. And we need more Arpaios. People strive not to go back to his jails, and that’s a good thing. It’s truly a sad state of affairs when this country seemingly has only one jail criminals actively try to avoid, and the guy running it is therefore considered to be a bad guy. What is it with liberals and criminals? You may not have noticed it, or you may be too delicate to acknowledge it even to yourselves, but you guys get victimized too. > [@wolfpup](#): > > “A political leader who gains power by appealing to people’s emotions and prejudices rather than their rationality”. Sounds a lot llike Obama and most other Democrat politicians to me. So much of this stuff just depends on whose ox is getting gored. At least I recognize it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/226 "2015-08-23T21:23:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > This is at least the third time you’ve used this phrase in the last couple of days. I’m guessing you just recently discovered it and you think it actually lends some sort of weight to what you say. > > It doesn’t. I’m Hispanic and with plenty of experience and social studies knowledge to boot, it does. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/227 "2015-08-23T21:26:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Political correctness isn’t a call for civility, it’s a group of holier-than-thous deciding for themselves how everyone else should think and which words they can use and what attitudes they can have …and this is no different to how in a “more civil time” there were “things you don’t mention in polite company”. So the motivation today is to avoid “triggers” or giving offense to protected groups, and back then it was to “avoid violating public morals” – it’s always someone telling someone else “don’t say/do that” or “only say/do it in private”; it’s always someone saying “I’m better than you”. Frankly I’d like some people in the media (including the RW establishment media) and intelligentsia to realize that sure, if someone (doesn’t have to be the Donald, can be anyone) takes “being frank” over the edge into being rude, they should be called out on that by all means… but that then you should be prepared for him/her to NOT immediately act chastened and rectify to your satisfaction just because \*\*\*you \*\*\*are Oh.So.Shocked. We seem to have become too used to that if someone says to us _“that you just said is offensive/biased/terrible”_ we must immediately commence apologizing and trying to show we didn’t mean it that way. - “You can’t say _ **that** _ on television!!” “Well I just did. So there!”\* Big chunk of the public just eats that up. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/228 "2015-08-23T21:35:49Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And we need more Arpaios. People strive not to go back to his jails, and that’s a good thing. Of course it is a good thing that you point that out and show once again what you wilfully ignore: > [@](#): > > Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has relished sharing the spotlight with, and listening to, overtures from White House candidates for years. > > In 2012, no fewer than three Republicans asked for his support. Others have visited his Tent City Jail to see Arpaio’s attention-grabbing approach to crime-fighting. > > On Saturday, Arpaio appeared at a downtown Phoenix rally with real estate mogul and GOP presidential hopeful Donald Trump, who spoke on immigration. Trump and Arpaio both favor harsher deportation policies and tighter border security. Now, thing is that the Arizona Senators (not liberal as it has been also wilfully ignored by you) told many times before to the rally organizers and other politicians to avoid Arpaio nowadays because of very inconvenient reasons: > **[Contempt hearing unmasks Joe Arpaio](https://www.azcentral.com/story/laurieroberts/2015/04/24/joe-arpaio-contempt-hearing/26316123/)** > > Laurie Roberts: America's scariest sheriff should resign. > [@](#): > > It seemed fitting somehow that Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s unmasking this week came on the anniversary of Senate Bill 1070. > > On the day that marks a largely irrelevant law that was mostly struck down as unconstitutional, Arpaio took his own giant step toward irrelevance on Thursday. > > America’s scariest sheriff admitted that he’d hired an investigator to investigate the Department of Justice, which at the time was investigating him and his top deputies for abuse of power. And he admitted that his attorney hired an investigator to investigate the wife of the federal judge who nailed the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office for engaging in widespread racial profiling of Latino drivers. > > The judge who is now considering whether to refer Arpaio to prosecutors for criminal contempt charges. > > Generally speaking, it’s not nice to try to intimidate federal authorities. But then again, intimidation has been the name of Arpaio’s sleazy game for years. > [@](#): > > Arpaio testified that he didn’t really understand Snow’s injunction – the one ordering him to stop his immigration patrols in 2011. > > “I’ve been a top federal official for 22 years. I have a deep respect for the courts, federal courts and federal judges,” he told the judge. “I didn’t know all the facts of this court order, and it really hurts me that after 55 years… to be in this position. So I want to apologize to the judge that I should have known more. This court order slipped through the cracks.” > > The court order slipped through the cracks? For 18 months? > > Arpaio is either lying or he’s admitting that at at 82, he’s no longer able to do the job. > > Either way, he should resign. > > Arpaio’s day is done. His America’s-toughest-sheriff, I’m-the-only-one-enforcing-immigration-laws schtick long ago went sour and the people of Arizona – the ones outside the Joe Choir – now have seen at exactly who and what Arpaio is. > > A bully with a badge. Mind you, **if Trump was not aware of this he is an incompetent** , if he was aware of it and still he invited Arpaio then he is a tone deaf lover of bullies that ignore justice and even the courts. He even ignored the advice of Senator like Jake Flake of Arizona. Trump then does deserve the contempt that all Hispanics will give him, and we will stand to that bully and many others when we will vote against Trump and many Republicans when November 2016 shows around. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/229 "2015-08-23T22:15:10Z")
If the language police issue no citations, but say that calling women fat pigs or claiming that Mexican immigrants are mostly criminal is patently offensive conduct, then hand me a badge. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/230 "2015-08-23T22:26:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Hispanics weren’t resented or disliked in this country at all prior to the government allowing this huge influx of illegal immigration, and it’s the fact that it has which is responsible for the resentment that exists now and the criminal behavior of a few outliers who’ve decided to attack them. As a Californian, this is factually wrong. California, at least, has a history of ethnic tensions with Latinos. From Gold Rush Era lynchings to the Zoot Suit Riots, Hispanics have been “disliked and resented” by bigots since the Americans www the immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/231 "2015-08-24T01:03:59Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > As a Californian, this is factually wrong. California, at least, has a history of ethnic tensions with Latinos. From Gold Rush Era lynchings to the Zoot Suit Riots, Hispanics have been “disliked and resented” by bigots since the Americans www the immigrants. **Starving** knows nothing about Texas History, either. (We’re still better than Arizona.) ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/232 "2015-08-24T02:19:54Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > As a Californian, this is factually wrong. California, at least, has a history of ethnic tensions with Latinos. From Gold Rush Era lynchings to the Zoot Suit Riots, Hispanics have been “disliked and resented” by bigots since the Americans www the immigrants. > [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > **Starving** knows nothing about Texas History, either. (We’re still better than Arizona.) Oh, but since the polite, well-spoken textbooks and sources of information for polite, respectable, well spoken America were not mentioning that, it must have meant we all were really happily getting along all that time. Out of sight, out of mind. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/233 "2015-08-25T01:34:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Political correctness isn’t a call for civility, it’s a group of holier-than-thous deciding for themselves how everyone else should think and which words they can use and what attitudes they can have and attacking anyone who doesn’t instantly fall in line. Not to mention the fact that much of it is silly and wrong-headed and goes way too far. However, Trump does belittle _any_ call for or even notion of civility as overly PC. He’s just like all the guys who come to Thailand “because of the freedom here,” when all they mean is the freedom to run around and act like a bunch of assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/234 "2015-08-25T06:19:43Z")
According to this conservative commentator, writing in The Federalist, Trump is a right-wing conservative in the European mould: a practitioner of white identity politics. [Are Republicans For Freedom Or White Identity Politics?](http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/21/are-republicans-for-freedom-or-white-identity-politics/) > [@](#): > > For decades, Republicans have held to the idea that they are unified by a fusionist ideological coalition with a shared belief in limited government, while the Democratic Party was animated by identity politics for the various member groups of its coalition. This belief has been bolstered in the era of President Obama, which has seen the Democratic Party stress identity politics narratives about the war on this or that group of Americans, even as they adopted a more corporatist attitude toward Wall Street and big business (leading inevitably to their own populist problem in Sen. Bernie Sanders). What Trump represents is the potential for a significant shift in the Republican Party toward white identity politics for the American right, and toward a coalition more in keeping with the European right than with the American. ---
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/235 "2015-08-25T11:37:48Z")
[quote=“Starving\_Artist, post:215, topic:726581”] […] You wanna talk about irrational hate? Take a look at **soonerblue’s** post, in which she (I presume, based the comment about Trump’s sex appeal) attempts to make Trump responsible for the actions of people he’s never met and who took actions he’s never come close to supporting, followed by a whole string of extrapolated hate-speech that she attributes to him and which he’s never come close to saying or iexpressed as a belief in any way, shape or form. And of course she insists he’s guilty by association with the bigots who beat this guy because his response wasn’t PC enough and he instead tried to use the occasion put the focus back on how fed up people are with how things have been going. […] [Quote] I don’t hate anyone, “irrationally” or otherwise. My point was to share an article that tied in with what happened to my 12 y/o friend … which made Trump not funny anymore. I didn’t mention anything about Trump’s sexuality, but you can fault me with not knowing how to properly quote a news article on this message board. I do think Trump could’ve made a stronger statement condemning supporters who commit criminal assault in his name … but all he said was that the beating “would be a shame.” And in the next breath - “I will say, the people that are following me are very passionate. They love this country. They want this country to be great again. But they are very passionate. I will say that.” I would have respected something such as - “I do not condone or advocate violence, and condemn this brutal attack which does not represent the message of my campaign.” This was the article I was trying to share: [http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...funny-20150821](http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...funny-20150821) ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/236 "2015-08-25T14:57:07Z")
And now [fresh insults for Megyn Kelly](http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/25/politics/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-tweets/index.html). Stay classy, Trump! I really am starting to think he’s on a secret mission from the Clinton camp. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/237 "2015-08-25T16:26:21Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I think Americans should demand to see Trump’s birth certificate. His father was German. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. 🙂 As for independently funding his own campaign: He’d spend a billion of his own money so he doesn’t have to deal with lobbyists. Yeah. Way to Spin, Donald [http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/25/donald-trump-says-pols-are-beholden-to-big-donors-so-why-is-he-raising-super-pac-funds/](http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/25/donald-trump-says-pols-are-beholden-to-big-donors-so-why-is-he-raising-super-pac-funds/) And eye opening He’s appealing guys who say “White Power” at a rally in Alabama and he doesn’t address it. [https://www.youtube.comwatch?v=c4\_UiUrRcbgAnd](https://www.youtube.comwatch?v=c4_UiUrRcbgAnd) He may be making fun of all the other Repubbies in the clown car, but cozying up to white supremicsts is a lot more dangerous than ushing in a pregnant Mexican. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/238 "2015-08-25T16:52:29Z")
Trump’s latest fan? [David Duke](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-duke-great-donald-trump). Man, this gets better and better. Go Trump go! ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/239 "2015-08-25T17:13:45Z")
Roger Ailes from Fox News just released a strong statement condemning Trump’s remarks about Megyn Kelly and fully supporting her. He went so far as to say “Mr. Trump rarely apologizes, but in this case he should.” It remains to be seen what happens next, what Trump does and how Mr. Ailes actually behaves with Trump. But I applaud the statement. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581/240 "2015-08-25T17:20:51Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Roger Ailes from Fox News just released a strong statement condemning Trump’s remarks about Megyn Kelly and fully supporting her. He went so far as to say “Mr. Trump rarely apologizes, but in this case he should.” > > It remains to be seen what happens next, what Trump does and how Mr. Ailes actually behaves with Trump. But I applaud the statement. I give it three days before Ailes issues an apology to Trump for daring to suggest that he ever need apologize for anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-is-trump/726581.md?page=13)