# What the hell was wrong with Airman Doors' Gun Thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 28, 2005, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296 "2005-02-28T14:32:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/21 "2005-02-28T16:56:33Z")
You’re damn right it was a shot at **According to Pliny**. I was making a point. The point could probably have been better made in the Pit, but what’s done is done. I think everyone figured it out anyway, and that’s what matters. Should I have been warned? Probably. Well, actually, I think I should definitely have been warned. So what the hell. I made my point, I got my hand slapped, and that’s the end of that. However, I do think that something needs to be done about people being obnoxiously self-righteous in threads that don’t concern them. There’s no reason that **ATP** had to do what he did, and it happens far too often elsewhere. We have so many rules here, how about another one that specifically calls people “jerks” for doing what he did? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/22 "2005-02-28T16:58:13Z")
> [@The King of Soup](#): > > **Harborwolf** , you may be right. That isn’t something I say often, but I think it a lot when I read what you have to say. But _many_ threads in mpsims have been moved or otherwise amended without being shut down, and I’d like a better reason than has been given. The thread \*could \* have been started as a “slap in the face”, but it did not begin so in the OP or continue that way. Except for the title… And the comment in the OP regarding the originator of the thread that **Pliny** shat in. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/23 "2005-02-28T17:01:02Z")
Sorry, my mistake. I was thinking of [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5891641#post5891641). ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/24 "2005-02-28T17:08:04Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > I also feel that **According to Pliny** shouldn’t have trampled on the orginal [thread that caused all of this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=304192). It seems simple. Open a thread about something that is perfectly legal and request that if you don’t like it, stay out, and don’t troll… What is so hard about that? IMO, it would have been a different story if it were in Great Debates or IMHO and you told someone to stay out, that I don’t think should fly. Bingo. If you’re going to get modly about jerkism, that was the instance, not that of **Airman Doors**. I refer you to Rambo 101-who drew first blood? ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/25 "2005-02-28T17:27:50Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Sorry, my mistake. I was thinking of [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5891641#post5891641). Okay. If your interpretation is correct the two threads, I think, may be read as one. I’m not privy to the thoughts of administrators and moderators. Nonetheless, neither the thread title, nor the OP. nor any subsequent post, maligned, defamed, threatened, or otherwise harmed any other poster. Neither did any post inside the thread. Frankly, I’m often tempted to shout down gun-lovers’ posts, especially (I’m not brave) when I think I’ll have lots of company. But this thread did not threaten this community, its administration, or any individual poster. **Airman Doors** expressed an opinion about the previous thread, certainly. But he did it within the context of an otherwise permissible thread, and he did it without breaking any rules. Good for him: I might disagree, but he and I apparently believe in the same rules for civilized discourse, so I wouldn’t impose my anti-gun beliefs on this thread any more than he would charge into a thread I started asking for constitutionally permissible limitations on gun ownership. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/26 "2005-02-28T17:47:33Z")
> [@The King of Soup](#): > > **Airman Doors** expressed an opinion about the previous thread, certainly. But he did it within the context of an otherwise permissible thread, and he did it without breaking any rules. Nonsense, he opened a thread for the purpose of taking a swipe at another poster. That’s what the Pit is for, his thread was in MPSIMS. His post would have been, IMHO, perfectly fine if he put it here rather than in MPSIMS. Airman, all you should be doing when someone posts garbage like that is reporting the post. Don’t feed his ego by opening up 3 threads about him, don’t argue with him, just let the post be a lonely reminder of how stupid he’s being. Our mods take time to act, but they keep track of these things, and will ban posters for too many jerkish posts. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/27 "2005-02-28T19:44:54Z")
> [@Uvula Donor](#): > > > [@Exgineer](#): > > > > You have a point. I just figured they thought that baiting **Pliny** was the primary purpose of the thread. > > No, that was definitely secondary. 😃 Now that I’ve read **Cajun Man** ’s post (It wasn’t there when I first posted) it seems to me that it _was_ closed (and **Airman** labeled a jerk) primarily because it was a gun thread, and the **Pliny** thing was indeed secondary. By a mile. No smilie required. That being the case, I wholeheartedly agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/28 "2005-02-28T20:10:11Z")
It was cleary a POLL in MPSIMS. ---
**Author:** ![Exgineer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Exgineer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exgineer)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/29 "2005-02-28T20:35:48Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > It was cleary a POLL in MPSIMS. Well, duh. How did I miss that? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/30 "2005-02-28T21:10:55Z")
IMO, **AtP** was at best being a jerk and at worst trolling in his post in the first gun thread. The thread title clearly labled the thread as being pro gun and told anti- gun types they may want to stay out. Given that, **AtP** comes in and says that pro gun thread are being shoved in his face and that he will continue to post in them, and it would seem with the intent of de-railing them. How was that not worthy of a warning from a mod? Granted, that doesn’t excuse **Airman Doors** and his choice of thread titles, but really how does **AtP** come through this scot free? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/31 "2005-02-28T21:53:49Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > IMO, **AtP** was at best being a jerk and at worst trolling in his post in the first gun thread. You might not have seen this this morning: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5892509&postcount=3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5892509&postcount=3) > [@](#): > > If you have a question about whether or not someone is trolling, you should report the message. Do NOT make public accusations or even questions about whether someone is trolling. > > Lynn > For the Straight Dope ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/32 "2005-02-28T22:30:05Z")
My question is: what the hell was wrong with the _other fifteen hundred threads_ about the “incident?” What could be more cut-and-dried? Somebody started a thread about guns, specifically saying he didn’t want to start a pro/anti gun debate _in the title of the thread_. **According to Pliny** decided to be a total jerk-off and piss on said thread. **Airman Doors** decided to be juvenile and start a petty response thread in MPSIMS instead of taking it to the pit. Someone else (I can’t keep track at this point) started another separate Pit thread about it. And then this one. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2005, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/33 "2005-02-28T23:32:08Z")
> [@SolGrundy](#): > > Somebody started a thread about guns, specifically saying he didn’t want to start a pro/anti gun debate _in the title of the thread_. Unfortunately, this kind of title is impossible for some people to ignore. If I started an “Adam Sandler haters join me in hating him” thread, it might last 5-6 posts before an Adam Sandler fan would come along and defend the man’s honor. Hilarity would not ensue. Penises, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2005, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296/34 "2005-03-01T03:25:04Z")
As of right now, I don’t see what the issue is in this thread anymore. **Airman** pretty much admitted what he did and why he did it. The moral of this story is “When in doubt, hit ‘report this post’ or take it to the pit.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-hell-was-wrong-with-airman-doors-gun-thread/292296.md?page=1)