# What the Navy base plays at sunset that's not "Taps" **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [June 24, 2011, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-navy-base-plays-at-sunset-thats-not-taps/586641 "2011-06-24T00:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-navy-base-plays-at-sunset-thats-not-taps/586641/1 "2011-06-24T00:49:24Z")
I live near-ish a Navy base in the US. Many nights, I guess if the wind’s blowing the right way and if we have windows open, we can hear what I’m guessing is a recording (but maybe not) of a bugler playing a particular song that is not Taps. It’s always the same song. What song is it? Why do they play it? They also blow a whistle at 7-something AM, at 11:30 AM, at noon, and at 3:30, which I guess corresponds to shift-start, lunch-start, lunch-end, and shift-end (there’s also lots of traffic coming off the base after 3:30). But why a song at sunset, especially if it’s not Taps, which I thought was traditional? ---
**Author:** ![yoyodyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a9a28c/32.png) [@yoyodyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yoyodyne)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-navy-base-plays-at-sunset-thats-not-taps/586641/2 "2011-06-24T00:58:23Z")
It’s called Retreat. > [@](#): > > The bugle call sounded at retreat was first used in the French Army and dates back to the crusades. When you hear it, you are listening to a beautiful melody that has come to symbolize the finest qualities of the soldiers of nearly 900 years. Retreat has always been at sunset and its purpose was to notify the sentries to start challenging until sunrise, and to tell the rank and file to go to their quarters and stay there. In our times the ceremony remains as a tradition. When you are outdoors and hear retreat played, you face toward the flag if you can see it and stand at parade rest. If the flag is not within sight. then face toward the music. ---
**Author:** ![zombywoof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/9e8a1a/32.png) [@zombywoof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zombywoof)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-navy-base-plays-at-sunset-thats-not-taps/586641/3 "2011-06-24T00:59:36Z")
“Retreat” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/6fgDxAASI_c/hqdefault.jpg ""Retreat"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fgDxAASI_c) ---
**Author:** ![Lucretia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@Lucretia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucretia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-navy-base-plays-at-sunset-thats-not-taps/586641/4 "2011-06-24T01:25:25Z")
To expand a bit, yes, it’s Retreat. Retreat signals the end of the duty day, while Taps signals “time to go to bed”. I live on an Air Force base, Retreat gets played at 4:30 pm (1630), and Taps at 10:00 pm (2200). Note, it’s all totally symbolic…if your work sched is, for example, 12-12, as some are, you don’t go home at 4:30, and no one comes round to make sure you’re tucked in at 10. ---
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-navy-base-plays-at-sunset-thats-not-taps/586641/5 "2011-06-24T01:28:17Z")
Thanks, all! ---
**Author:** ![Lucretia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@Lucretia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucretia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-navy-base-plays-at-sunset-thats-not-taps/586641/6 "2011-06-24T01:52:26Z")
You’re welcome! And, because it’s a chance to talk about it, and when the hell else am I going to get to, and it’s actually kind of interesting, and you asked… 😉 It’s rather an impressive an interesting sight on a military base when Retreat plays. It’s actually got two different parts. First, Retreat. This means…if outside, stop what you’re doing, put down what you’re carrying, stop your car, straighten your clothing, etc. Then, the National Anthem. If military in uniform, stand at attention, and salute. If not in uniform/civliian, stand still, and place your hand on your heart. If in a vehicle, pull to the side of the road, and stop for the time it takes to play. For me, it’s actually a nice thing to have a communal pause in the day to render respect…to the flag, to the country, to the people who are defending both, to the people who have died doing so…other’s mileage may vary, but I like it. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-navy-base-plays-at-sunset-thats-not-taps/586641/7 "2011-06-24T03:33:17Z")
There’s also “colors” at sunset. Some bases play the national anthem at that time, others just sound the “call to attention”, then “two”. (“hand salute”, then after the anthem “ready… Two!” The saluting hand is dropped back to your side on “two”.) Bugle calls and most of boatswain whistle [Boatswain's call - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boatswain%27s_call) calls seem to have fallen out of favor on board US Navy ships. At the shipyards in San Diego, shift changes are signaled for the yard workers (civilian), but shift changes are not accompanied by any signals/whistles/horns at NAS North Island or MCAS Miramar. Edit: Sorry. The OP mentioned “colors”. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-navy-base-plays-at-sunset-thats-not-taps/586641/8 "2011-06-24T03:44:07Z")
Sorry, “two” is really called “carry on”. [http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/16b-c-on.mp3](http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/16b-c-on.mp3) Other bugle calls here: [Bugle Calls](http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/bugle.htm) ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-navy-base-plays-at-sunset-thats-not-taps/586641/9 "2011-06-24T03:46:33Z")
> [@Lucretia](#): > > You’re welcome! And, because it’s a chance to talk about it, and when the hell else am I going to get to, and it’s actually kind of interesting, and you asked… 😉 > > It’s rather an impressive an interesting sight on a military base when Retreat plays. It’s actually got two different parts. First, Retreat. This means…if outside, stop what you’re doing, put down what you’re carrying, stop your car, straighten your clothing, etc. Then, the National Anthem. If military in uniform, stand at attention, and salute. If not in uniform/civliian, stand still, and place your hand on your heart. If in a vehicle, pull to the side of the road, and stop for the time it takes to play. For me, it’s actually a nice thing to have a communal pause in the day to render respect…to the flag, to the country, to the people who are defending both, to the people who have died doing so…other’s mileage may vary, but I like it. It puts a little starch in my spine too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-navy-base-plays-at-sunset-thats-not-taps/586641/10 "2011-06-24T14:14:15Z")
> [@Lucretia](#): > > You’re welcome! And, because it’s a chance to talk about it, and when the hell else am I going to get to, and it’s actually kind of interesting, and you asked… 😉 > > It’s rather an impressive an interesting sight on a military base when Retreat plays. It’s actually got two different parts. First, Retreat. This means…if outside, stop what you’re doing, put down what you’re carrying, stop your car, straighten your clothing, etc. Then, the National Anthem. If military in uniform, stand at attention, and salute. If not in uniform/civliian, stand still, and place your hand on your heart. If in a vehicle, pull to the side of the road, and stop for the time it takes to play. For me, it’s actually a nice thing to have a communal pause in the day to render respect…to the flag, to the country, to the people who are defending both, to the people who have died doing so…other’s mileage may vary, but I like it. There were always the knuckleheads who, when hearing the call to attention for the anthem, would run for the indoors so they wouldn’t have to stand at attention and salute. Many of us took great pleasure in waiting for them to re-emerge and then escorting them to their OICs for disciplinary action.