# What the public knows about Cyber security. Quiz **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 11, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234 "2017-04-11T13:58:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/41 "2017-04-15T10:27:06Z")
I missed #10, because I don’t know what a VPN is (I know it STANDS FOR Virtual Private Network, but that’s not the same as knowing what it is). I should have chosen “Not Sure.” That would have been a correct answer, because it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/42 "2017-04-15T11:33:41Z")
10 out of 10 but I used to be in charge of network security many years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/43 "2017-04-15T11:46:51Z")
9 out of 10, missed the VPN question. I don’t consider myself anything near a computer expert. On the other hand, a lot of people are both clueless and careless. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/44 "2017-04-15T12:08:37Z")
I thought this quiz was awful and promulgated a bunch of bad and outdated security info while getting a lot of things subtly wrong. Question 4: Two Step Authentication is not a standard term used in security. Two factor authentication is the commonly used term. Depending on how exactly you define 2 factor authentication, the 1st, 3rd and 4th image might all count. Strict 2FA requires you to receive your code on a completely separate device, making all of them invalid. 2FA according to some auditing documents permits 1, 3 & 4 which is why you see bank logins use the latter. Question 5: All 4 passwords are equally insecure. 6 letter passwords have been within the realm of exhaustive brute force for a long time now. It doesn’t matter how complex you make a 6 letter password, it’s the difference between being cracked in 0.001 seconds and 0.05 seconds. Length is a better protection than special characters. Question 7: Technically, the answer should be not sure since only browsing via HTTP and not HTTPS can be seen by internet providers. This could be better worded. Question 9: This is unambiguously wrong. Even if someone is able to snoop on the wifi connection, as long as you’re visiting HTTPS enabled websites like online banking, they would need to break HTTPS to compromise you. It’s perfectly safe to perform online banking on a shared wifi connection. Question 10: Both “Use of insecure Wi-Fi networks” and “De-anonymization by network operators” are mitigated by using a VPN. VPNs will hide your traffic endpoints from your ISP and the big push towards getting VPNs after the internet privacy bill passed was because of this. ---
**Author:** ![Kimera757](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimera757/32/3765_2.png) [@Kimera757](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimera757)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/45 "2017-04-15T12:21:31Z")
I scored a 9, which is frightening, because I’m not that good with computers. (As in I think the test was too easy.) ---
**Author:** ![JKilez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e5b9ba/32.png) [@JKilez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKilez)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/46 "2017-04-15T13:18:37Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Question 5: All 4 passwords are equally insecure. 6 letter passwords have been within the realm of exhaustive brute force for a long time now. It doesn’t matter how complex you make a 6 letter password, it’s the difference between being cracked in 0.001 seconds and 0.05 seconds. Length is a better protection than special characters. This was truly a bad question. As you and **rat avatar** point out, greater password length is generally better for security than poorer human intelligibly. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/47 "2017-04-15T13:38:33Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I had the same reaction to both these questions. I had a moment of, “Do they want the security professor answer, or the common usage answer?” I went with the second. The HTTPS one was just terribly written. And, I also still think of phishing as just an attempt to get login credentials, but I think many people even in the security industry have started to use the term for all kinds of email delivered attacks. I think this is unfortunate loss of precision in the jargon, but whatcha gonna do? I had much the same reaction to the phishing question, well except that I’m not involved professionally in IT security in any way, and wouldn’t even rank myself as a novice-beginning-amateur really. I didn’t know that “phishing” now means more than just trying to get login credentials via email scams. I blame the mainstream media for this;)😃 I suspect this was a poorly composed quiz done up by someone with about the same level, or less, understanding of IT security as I have. ---
**Author:** ![rbroome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rbroome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rbroome)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/48 "2017-04-15T19:58:52Z")
9/10 I don’t agree that phishing can involve a website, to my mind it is only an email, but I can handle being wrong on that one. ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/49 "2017-04-15T20:24:39Z")
9/10 - my definition of phishing was not the same as theirs. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2017, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/50 "2017-04-16T11:16:59Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > I disagree with their answer to question 2 (and yeah, I did get it wrong - why do you ask? ;)). In my mind, “phishing” attacks are strictly those intended to extract login and password information by deception, not any and all attempts to install malware by impersonating a trusted source, and only the ‘fake website’ out of their three answers would necessarily do that - the other answers might just give you a virus. [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing)agrees with me and hey, how much more authoritative can you get! > > 8/10, but I’m going to pretend it was 9/10 😛 That was my take as well. The other one I missed was the VPN one so many others got wrong as well, so 8/10. ---
**Author:** ![TPWombat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbce88/32.png) [@TPWombat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TPWombat)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/51 "2017-04-17T10:37:30Z")
I also got no 10 wrong - I answered "“De-anonymization by network operators”. Could someone please explain why this is wrong - this was the primary reason I signed up for a VPN. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/52 "2017-04-17T17:33:33Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Question 9: This is unambiguously wrong. Even if someone is able to snoop on the wifi connection, as long as you’re visiting HTTPS enabled websites like online banking, they would need to break HTTPS to compromise you. It’s perfectly safe to perform online banking on a shared wifi connection. There are TLS protocol downgrade attacks in the wild. How sure are you that your browser and bank aren’t affected? Don’t use an untrusted wifi network for sensitive activities is generally good advice, even if HTTPS is pretty good protection. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/53 "2017-04-17T18:35:32Z")
> [@TPWombat](#): > > I also got no 10 wrong - I answered "“De-anonymization by network operators”. Could someone please explain why this is wrong - this was the primary reason I signed up for a VPN. Because the people operating the VPN know who you are. Just the sites that you visit don’t know your originating IP address, and people can’t see your encrypted traffic. But that doesn’t make you “anonymous” ---
**Author:** ![fubarfudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ebca7d/32.png) [@fubarfudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubarfudd)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/54 "2017-04-18T10:51:53Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Another not very good question was #3: “A group of computers that is networked together and used by hackers to steal information is called a …” The answer they’re going for is “botnet” which is partially correct. You can siphon information from machines in a botnet. You can also use a botnet as the means to deliver information-stealing malware to more victims. But you can also use a botnet to distribute ransomware, conduct DDoS attacks, conduct click fraud, send spam, etc. I think the question implies that stealing information is the sole, or at least primary, purpose of a botnet, which is debatable. Glad to see Pew is taking on the issue of cybersecurity, but of course anyone active in a forum like this is going to be more sophisticated than the average. According to this link from Incapsula, a [botnet](https://www.incapsula.com/ddos/ddos-attacks/botnet-ddos.html) is “a group of hijacked Internet-connected devices, each injected with malware used to control it from a remote location without the knowledge of the device’s rightful owner. From the point of view of hackers, these botnet devices are computing resources that can be used for any type of malicious purposes.” So botnets are used for any malicious purpose, not just stealing information. And I guess there is also a question on what a “network” is but maybe I’m being pedantic here (global CCTV cameras around the world but aren’t networked together can still be used as part of a botnet). ---
**Author:** ![WildBlueYonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ce7236/32.png) [@WildBlueYonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildBlueYonder)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/55 "2017-04-18T12:03:04Z")
> [@Kimera757](#): > > I scored a 9, which is frightening, because I’m not that good with computers. (As in I think the test was too easy.) had to be for me to get the same score! :smack: 😃 > [@Shalmanese](#): > > Question 5: All 4 passwords are equally insecure. 6 letter passwords have been within the realm of exhaustive brute force for a long time now. It doesn’t matter how complex you make a 6 letter password, it’s the difference between being cracked in 0.001 seconds and 0.05 seconds. Length is a better protection than special characters. But the question was which one of them were the safest :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/56 "2017-04-18T17:46:59Z")
> [@JKilez](#): > > This was truly a bad question. As you and **rat avatar** point out, greater password length is generally better for security than poorer human intelligibly. Well, I feel better that some folks agree with my intuition. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234/57 "2017-04-18T18:31:17Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Question 9: This is unambiguously wrong. Even if someone is able to snoop on the wifi connection, as long as you’re visiting HTTPS enabled websites like online banking, they would need to break HTTPS to compromise you. It’s perfectly safe to perform online banking on a shared wifi connection. I thought this was a weird question too. The password doesn’t create security, but it doesn’t make it less secure either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-public-knows-about-cyber-security-quiz/784234.md?page=2)