# What the world really needs now is "fire & fury" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 8, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136 "2017-08-08T22:14:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/201 "2017-08-10T16:50:08Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > I see. When you say one thing you mean something else entirely. I very clearly said that you wouldn’t criticize Trump if he started throwing nukes around at random. I never expressed it as a belief that he would. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/202 "2017-08-10T16:56:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Less politely: he’s a dangerous amateur; a baby with a loaded Uzi in a room full of explosives. You sound as frightened as some of the others in here. Huh. Earlier in your post you talk about norms in diplomacy and standard agreed upon dialogue. What norms and standard diplomatic dialogue is North Korea taking right now? You could answer it’s nothing they haven’t done and said before. Only now they seek and have a means to deliver on their fiery rhetoric. Trump responded in kind. Exactly like he said, ‘Terms Un can understand’. I don’t have a problem with that, and in some ways think it’s about time. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/203 "2017-08-10T16:59:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It’s like an x-rated version of “Being John Malkovich”. 😃 :golf clap: ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/204 "2017-08-10T16:59:06Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I very clearly said that you wouldn’t criticize Trump if he started throwing nukes around at random. And that’s based on… what. Mindreading? How you think others think? Get a clue. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/205 "2017-08-10T17:01:12Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > And that’s based on… what. Mindreading? How you think others think? > > Get a clue. If you had a mind to read, I would. As it is, I read your posts. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/206 "2017-08-10T17:04:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > If you had a mind to read, I would. As it is, I read your posts. Then kindly point out where I said I wouldn’t condemn or panic if Trump **started** tossing nukes around. For fucks sake. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/207 "2017-08-10T17:09:02Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Earlier in your post you talk about norms in diplomacy and standard agreed upon dialogue. What norms and standard diplomatic dialogue is North Korea taking right now? So, you’re going with the “He (Kim Jong) started it” defense? Nice, but I prefer our President rise above such puerile practices. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/208 "2017-08-10T17:21:22Z")
Don’t recall intimating that. Just that after all this time and the threat as it is now, a dose of the same talk back to UN was justified. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/209 "2017-08-10T17:26:12Z")
“Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him.” - [Gen. Kim Rak Gyom](http://nypost.com/2017/08/10/kim-jong-un-stages-massive-rally-to-protest-trumps-fire-and-fury-threat/), head of North Korea’s Strategic Rocket Forces ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/210 "2017-08-10T17:33:14Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > You could answer it’s nothing they haven’t done and said before. Only now they seek and have a means to deliver on their fiery rhetoric. Trump responded in kind. Exactly like he said, ‘Terms Un can understand’. I believe that was actually Rex Tillerson’s undeservedly charitable characterization of Trump’s remarks, he being one of many underlings burdened with the responsibility of framing his boss’s brainless comments and tweets in the least idiotic way possible. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/211 "2017-08-10T17:40:43Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Don’t recall intimating that. Just that after all this time and the threat as it is now, a dose of the same talk back to UN was justified. And what are the benefits of engaging in this “justifiable” action? I can think of none that are good and plenty that are bad. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/212 "2017-08-10T17:46:26Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > [Just swap the haircuts and get the best of both.](https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029438640) Two click rule. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/213 "2017-08-10T17:51:25Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Don’t recall intimating that. Just that after all this time and the threat as it is now, a dose of the same talk back to UN was justified. That bit about the best way to respond to bullies is to respond in kind because bullies are just cowards at heart? _It’s bullshit._ ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/214 "2017-08-10T18:02:51Z")
Prediction: Kim will turn out to be (or appear to be) the grown-up in the room and unceremoniously drop this blustering, either on his own or because his handlers have locked him in the Executive Bathroom. But will Trump take the opportunity to quietly back off and let the issue deflate on its own? No, he will double-down and call Kim a pussy, a titty-baby, and a coward, while beating his chest and declaring himself the bestest and winningest President the USA has ever had. WHERE THE HELL IS KELLY IN ALL OF THIS?? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/215 "2017-08-10T18:10:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That bit about the best way to respond to bullies is to respond in kind because bullies are just cowards at heart? > _It’s bullshit._ Especially if the bully has a few screws loose. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/216 "2017-08-10T18:18:40Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Prediction: Kim will turn out to be (or appear to be) the grown-up in the room and unceremoniously drop this blustering, either on his own or because his handlers have locked him in the Executive Bathroom. > > But will Trump take the opportunity to quietly back off and let the issue deflate on its own? No, he will double-down and call Kim a pussy, a titty-baby, and a coward, while beating his chest and declaring himself the bestest and winningest President the USA has ever had. > > WHERE THE HELL IS KELLY IN ALL OF THIS?? Kim isn’t going to stop his blustering. Blustering is all he knows. But… if he did, then Trump would like the grown-up because he got the kid to STFU. Something no one else has been able to do. Oh, and you think Kim has handlers? I don’t think so, but woe be it unto any that are. They wouldn’t last a week. At least Trump just fires his underlings, not put them in front of a firing squad. This idea that somehow Trump is worse than Kim is just silly. Are the Hitler comparisons suddenly out of vogue? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/217 "2017-08-10T18:26:53Z")
Being better than Kim as an admirable goal is even sillier. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/218 "2017-08-10T18:46:14Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > “Sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute force can work on him.” - [Gen. Kim Rak Gyom](http://nypost.com/2017/08/10/kim-jong-un-stages-massive-rally-to-protest-trumps-fire-and-fury-threat/), head of North Korea’s Strategic Rocket Forces That quote broke my irony meter. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/219 "2017-08-10T18:51:23Z")
Just jumping in to point out that NK has only been threatening Guam with what appears to be conventional arms. Not nukes. > **[North Korea 'examining' missile launch toward Guam](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/09/north-korea-examining-missile-launch-toward-guam/554334001/)** > > North Korea claimed Thursday that it is writing an attack plan to fire missiles toward Guam 'to signal a crucial warning to the U.S.,' although the rogue nation said the plan won't be ready until mid-August. > [@](#): > > North Korea claimed Thursday that it is writing an attack plan to fire missiles toward Guam “to signal a crucial warning to the U.S.,” although the rogue nation said the plan won’t be ready until mid-August. > > The latest threat comes amid rising tensions on the Korean peninsula and blustery rhetoric from President Trump, who has promised “fire and fury” on North Korea if it doesn’t abandon its nuclear program. > > The North Korean military is “seriously examining the plan for an enveloping strike at Guam through simultaneous fire of four Hwasong-12 intermediate-range strategic ballistic rockets,” North Korea’s media reported. > [@](#): > > North Korea said under the plan, four Hwasong-12 rockets would fly over Shimane, Hiroshima and Koichi prefectures in Japan, hitting waters 19 to 25 miles from the island, the Associated Press reported. The plan could be sent to leader Kim Jong Un for approval within a week or so. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/220 "2017-08-10T19:07:54Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > Just jumping in to point out that NK has only been threatening Guam with what appears to be conventional arms. Not nukes. > > [North Korea 'examining' missile launch toward Guam](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/09/north-korea-examining-missile-launch-toward-guam/554334001/) The H.Y. was right to say not to let your enemies know your plans. Now Kim has given the Howling Yam time to launch a truly devastating salvo of Tweets. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136.md?page=12)