# What the world really needs now is "fire & fury" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 8, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136 "2017-08-08T22:14:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/61 "2017-08-09T12:08:44Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I checked twitter RIGHT as this popped up. > > [x.com](https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895252459152711680) > > Wonder if he’ll tweet part 2 He tweeted > [@](#): > > My first order as President was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before… then waited 7 minutes to finish with > [@](#): > > …Hopefully we will never have to use this power, but there will never be a time that we are not the most powerful nation in the world! Is he _trying_ to push us into a war? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/62 "2017-08-09T12:20:20Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I checked twitter RIGHT as this popped up. > > [x.com](https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895252459152711680) > > Wonder if he’ll tweet part 2 Wow, he modernized our nuclear arsenal in just six months! Amazing! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/63 "2017-08-09T12:33:43Z")
> [@](#): > > My first order as President was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before… Is there any evidence that he did any such thing? Or is this something he read in his twice-daily feeding of 25 pages of glowing reviews that are prepared for him? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/64 "2017-08-09T12:38:21Z")
Out of idle (or morbid) curiosity, has anyone kept count of how many “first orders” Mr. Trump has issued as President? I keep reading his claims that the “first,” order he issued was such-and-so, and I’m having an Inigo Montoya moment. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/65 "2017-08-09T12:41:54Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Is there any evidence that he did any such thing? Or is this something he read in his twice-daily feeding of 25 pages of glowing reviews that are prepared for him? There’s no way he could have substantially upgraded anything except the missile defense systems, which were already being developed and advanced…which raises yet another troubling problem, and one that McCain alluded to in his remarks yesterday: Trump might be just talking shit for sake of talking. But he’s dealing with a guy in Jung Un who is unequivocally and rapidly upgrading his WMD capabilities, and he’s doing so for the express purpose of defending his regime’s survival and increasing the pressure for the US and other brokers to negotiate. The fact that Trump may not (probably doesn’t) understand the dynamics at play here, and worse, may not have anyone in his administration who does (or does ‘get it’ but is effectively neutered by the chaotic power structure in the WH) does not bode well…at all. We’re drifting with broken sails into a tempest of shit. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/66 "2017-08-09T12:44:53Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Is there any evidence that he did any such thing? Or is this something he read in his twice-daily feeding of 25 pages of glowing reviews that are prepared for him? Depends on what you mean. Did he order someone to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal? Possibly, like maybe he told Kushner to do it. Did anyone who’s actually responsible for our nuclear arsenal get this order? Based on the recent Vanity Fair article about the state of the DOE, it doesn’t seem likely. Has anything actually been done with our nuclear arsenal in the last six months? I think we all know the answer to that. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/67 "2017-08-09T12:47:22Z")
Just to add a post-script, it almost seems like the thing to do for republicans in power is to look for their Reagan moment, a moment when they can stand up in the face of danger and stare an enemy down and back them up a step or two. That worked for Reagan in no small part because he had people around him who weren’t thicker than pig shit. Say what one will about Reagan’s economic philosophy and simple-minded conservatism, but he did hire people who were extremely competent in a range of capacities. That was even truer with his successor George H W Bush, but much less so with George W Bush. And now we’re left with this utter joke of a cabinet, save the generals. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/68 "2017-08-09T12:47:23Z")
…the ban on US travel to North Korea (and the request that any Americans in North Korea to leave) by the 1st of September show that something is being planned. The risk of “long-term detention” will be no different in September than it is right now. What is the Trump Administration planning? Who the fuck knows. But I can’t imagine that the plan will be the smart, diplomatic option. > **[U.S. bans travel to North Korea from September 1, says Americans should leave](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-travel-idUSKBN1AI2H5)** > > A ban on travel by U.S. passport holders to North Korea will take effect on Sept. 1 and Americans in the country should leave before that date, the U.S. State Department said on Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/69 "2017-08-09T12:48:35Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Wow, he modernized our nuclear arsenal in just six months! Amazing! With a cabinet official in charge who couldn’t remember the name of his own department and didn’t know what it does. Quick study, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/70 "2017-08-09T12:49:26Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I’m singing the thread title to the tune of Teen Angst by Cracker. Am I the only one? I was hearing it to the tune of “What the world needs now is love, sweet love.” :eek: ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/71 "2017-08-09T12:51:59Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Wow, he modernized our nuclear arsenal in just six months! Amazing! See? Only he could fix it! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/72 "2017-08-09T12:53:02Z")
:smack: [ **Trump Evangelical Adviser: God Is Totally Cool With Nuking North Korea** _“God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un.”_](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/evangelical-adviser-trump-nuke-north-korea_us_598a62b3e4b0449ed5066531?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009) > [@](#): > > A right-wing pastor who serves on Donald Trump’s evangelical advisory board claims God has given the president “full power” to launch an attack on North Korea. > > Robert Jeffress, head of the First Baptist Dallas megachurch, told CBN on Tuesday that a biblical passage in Romans allows rulers to use “whatever means necessary ― including war ― to stop evil.” > > He said: > > ``` > “In the case of North Korea, God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un. I’m heartened to see that our president ― contrary to what we’ve seen with past administrations who have taken, at best, a sheepish stance toward dictators and oppressors ― will not tolerate any threat against the American people.” > > ``` > > … > > Jeffress, who serves on Trump’s evangelical advisory panel and has been a guest in the White House, has a long history of intolerant rants directed against gays, Muslims, Catholics, Mormons and more. Gee, what a surprise. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/73 "2017-08-09T12:59:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **octopus** : > > Now hold up. They didn’t really give Trump the real button did they? No, “they” did not give Trump the real button. **You did.** You and millions of other Americans who think like you gave Trump the button. What did you think it meant, when you were voting for him to become President? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/74 "2017-08-09T13:04:28Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > :smack: > [ **Trump Evangelical Adviser: God Is Totally Cool With Nuking North Korea** > _“God has given Trump authority to take out Kim Jong Un.”_](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/evangelical-adviser-trump-nuke-north-korea_us_598a62b3e4b0449ed5066531?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009) > > Gee, what a surprise. :dubious: Indeed. And of course, this so-called ‘Christian’ is totally unconcerned about the millions of people who would be killed immediately, or die more slowly and painfully of radiation poisoning, famine, etc., if we nuked North Korea. Yeah, let’s bring Hell to this world in the name of the Lord. Exactly how do these people figure that Jesus would be anything besides appalled by this? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/75 "2017-08-09T13:05:52Z")
Well it IS Wednesday. I’ve started to think of Wednesday as Trump Double-Down Wednesday, where he picks a stupid position and loudly doubles down on it. 2 weeks ago it was transgenders in the military Last week it was legal immigration Today, it’s NK. This will all blow over when the weekly finale episode airs and some big news story breaks on Friday afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/76 "2017-08-09T13:06:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > No, “they” did not give Trump the real button. **You did.** You and millions of other Americans who think like you gave Trump the button. What did you think it meant, when you were voting for him to become President? And now that we have a complete and total nutcase as Commander-in-Chief at a time like this - something that should not be tolerated for a moment - the Republican Party is apparently unconcerned about that fact. Why do the Republicans hate America? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/77 "2017-08-09T13:10:44Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I saw the news today. I have people I really care about in Guam. This is not okay. I don’t have anyone I care about in Guam, but it’s still not OK. Up until last month my honorary niece lived in Seoul. She moved out, and I breathed a sigh of relief. Except now I’m un-sighing. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/78 "2017-08-09T13:15:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > We have good reason to fear for the lives of our friends, our family and ourselves, and you want to play wordgames? The psychopathic president that you are supporting has just pushed a blowhard into declaring that the place of my birth and the home of my family is the declared target of a nuclear attack, so why don’t you beg, borrow or steal a little human dignity _and back the fuck off._ Oh goodness. Save your faux outrage, you unhinged clown, and learn to read. > [@Chronos](#): > > No, “they” did not give Trump the real button. **You did.** You and millions of other Americans who think like you gave Trump the button. What did you think it meant, when you were voting for him to become President? Actually, no I didn’t. So try not to assume. Never once did I claim to be voting for Trump or to have voted for Trump. Bernie bros are much more to blame for Trump than I am. I actually even tried to talk some I know in real life to reconsider their vote for Trump. What I don’t do is come here to virtue signal and post based on my “feels.” ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/79 "2017-08-09T13:15:57Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If you fools are so certain that Trump will and not may nuke N. Korea why aren’t you doing something more productive with your time? I’m not 100% certain Trump will nuke North Korea as a general statement. However, if Kim drops a nuke on Guam I am 100% certain Trump will respond by dropping a nuke on North Korea. > [@](#): > > Rather than directing your false, hyperbolic outrage at a random poster on a irrelevant board you ought to spend some time with a loved one or something. Since April I’ve been a bit short on loved ones, in the event of Armageddon I anticipate meeting the end of the world alone. Well, I have my parrots… > [@](#): > > I tell you what. If nuclear war seemed imminent and certain to me, I’d be out back digging me a fall out shelter instead of deliberately and persistently misreading innocuous posts with the intent of working myself up in a self righteous fury. I’m too close to Chicago to make a fall out shelter useful in a full out nuclear war. I fully expect that in the event of one I’ll die. I just pray it will be quick rather than drawn-out and painful. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/80 "2017-08-09T13:23:20Z")
I actually think Trump might use nukes just to cement historical significance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136.md?page=5)