# What the world really needs now is "fire & fury" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 8, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136 "2017-08-08T22:14:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/121 "2017-08-09T17:57:40Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > For fun, let’s say NK nukes Guam. Then the US retaliates by nuking Pyongyang. What are the chances of China then firing nukes back our way? I’m sure that previous presidents have had talks with China about exactly this sort of thing: If North Korea does this, and we do this in response, what will your response be, and how far is too far from your point of view, and what will your response to North Korea be, and so on. That way, if North Korea does do something stupid, nobody’s surprised by anyone’s response. It’s part of that whole “reducing uncertainty” thing that **RickJay** was talking about. Does anyone want to lay odds on whether Trump has ever had such a talk with the Chinese leadership? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/122 "2017-08-09T18:09:26Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > No, “they” did not give Trump the real button. **You did.** You and millions of other Americans who think like you gave Trump the button. What did you think it meant, when you were voting for him to become President? This. All you Trumpies out there did this. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/123 "2017-08-09T18:17:14Z")
> [@rtfirefly](#): > > “and an almost fanatical devotion to the cheeto.” no one expects … ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/124 "2017-08-09T18:26:42Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > no one expects … Global Thermonuclear War. How about a nice game of chess? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/125 "2017-08-09T18:33:58Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > I’m aware of that, but I was thinking along the lines of what they view as possible right now. If they tried to bomb New York and the ICBM landed in Hudson Bay, that might be a little embarrassing. True, but they might like the chances of hitting a place that’s historically significant (e.g.: Philadelphia) instead and try for NYC anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/126 "2017-08-09T18:37:31Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > Little Donald is so good at alliteration! But what does ‘quite frankly power’ add to fire and fury? It’s the difference between an angry five year old boy burning ants with a magnifying glass on a sunny day, and an angry 45th President of the United States with his fingers on the nuclear football. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/127 "2017-08-09T18:40:41Z")
> [@SingleMalt](#): > > So this makes you the unconscious of the board, I guess. Sweet. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/128 "2017-08-09T18:48:51Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > So the Secretary of Defense just released a statement to NK basically saying they must cease all nuclear actions or they’ll face the end of their regime and the destruction of their people. > > Wonderful. Here is the relevant part of the Secretary’s statement: “The DPRK must choose to stop isolating itself and stand down its pursuit of nuclear weapons. The DPRK should cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people.” He’s right. If any country attacked the United States with nuclear weapons, it WOULD end the regime and the destruction of (a lot of) its people. Under any President. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/129 "2017-08-09T18:54:40Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Here is the relevant part of the Secretary’s statement: > > “The DPRK must choose to stop isolating itself and stand down its pursuit of nuclear weapons. The DPRK should cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people.” > > He’s right. If any country attacked the United States with nuclear weapons, it WOULD end the regime and the destruction of (a lot of) its people. Under any President. Wait. Do you think this is a statement against only usage of nuclear warheads against the US, and not the _development_ of them? Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/130 "2017-08-09T19:18:25Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Wait. Do you think this is a statement against only usage of nuclear warheads against the US, and not the _development_ of them? > > Seriously? Threatening the United States with nuclear weapons, which is what Kim just did, IS grounds for regime change. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/131 "2017-08-09T19:25:40Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Threatening the United States with nuclear weapons, which is what Kim just did, IS grounds for regime change. Seriously. That’s not what you were arguing. You said “attacked”. That statement isn’t altogether clear on where the US is drawing the line on nuclear policy, but I’m pretty sure they mean to cease development—like right now. Let’s just hope they do, but I’m not holding my breath. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/132 "2017-08-09T19:41:43Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > My guess is Seoul would be gone in such a scenario. Nuclear exchange would destabilize pretty much everything, globally. We fire nukes back at NK, then how many do they fire back in a Hail Mary? It’s not as if the war would remain nuclear; North Korea would invade South Korea and the land would be soaked in blood. Millions would die. Seoul would soon be in ruins. Allow me, for a rare treat, to try to be fair to Donald Trump: he is quite unfortunate in that he’s the guy in charge when the Norks developed, or are close to developing, an honest-to-God ICBM. It’s not his fault he drew the short straw on that accident of history. But he is the least qualified President of all time to deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Pippers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b5a626/32.png) [@Pippers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pippers)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/133 "2017-08-09T19:51:29Z")
> **[North Korea warned by Mattis not to invite 'destruction'](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40879485)** > > The Pentagon warns Pyongyang it would be "grossly" outmatched in any conflict with the US. Interesting, about 4 hours ago BBC had a headline that said something like “Tillerson negotiating with North Korea” so I’m a bit surprised to now see this article. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/134 "2017-08-09T19:58:17Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > But he (Trump) is the least qualified President of all time to deal with it. Who would you want to deal with this instead? Saying anyone else is cop out. Name someone and how their policy would obviously be better. If not that then what would you (and the hysterical paranoids early in this thread) think our response/policy/action should be? ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/135 "2017-08-09T20:14:00Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Who would you want to deal with this instead? > > Saying anyone else is cop out. Name someone and how their policy would obviously be better. > > If not that then what would you (and the hysterical paranoids early in this thread) think our response/policy/action should be? Uh, okay, I’ll play. Hillary (Or anyone really, but you insist on a name). And the policy should be the same as it always has been: Push for sanctions (Which Trump did, I’ll give him credit for that) and NOT engage the crazy man with Napoleon Syndrome in his rhetorical banter. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/136 "2017-08-09T20:15:37Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > the crazy man with Napoleon Syndrome in his rhetorical banter Which one would that be? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/137 "2017-08-09T20:28:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > He tweeted > > then waited 7 minutes to finish with > > Is he _trying_ to push us into a war? Imagine if Trump had been President (and if Twitter had been a thing) in the 90s “Hey Russians, were have a thousand nukes on the way…” [several minutes of silence] “to being decommissioned in accordance with our START treaty obligations.” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/138 "2017-08-09T20:31:19Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > Imagine if Trump had been President (and if Twitter had been a thing) in the 90s > > “Hey Russians, were have a thousand nukes on the way…” > > [several minutes of silence] > > “to being decommissioned in accordance with our START treaty obligations.” "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall… [several minutes of silence] and move it to our border with Mexico." ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/139 "2017-08-09T20:58:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Out of idle (or morbid) curiosity, has anyone kept count of how many “first orders” Mr. Trump has issued as President? I keep reading his claims that the “first,” order he issued was such-and-so, and I’m having an Inigo Montoya moment. He’s had about 14 first orders, according to a Toronto Star reporter. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/140 "2017-08-09T22:30:02Z")
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