# What the world really needs now is "fire & fury" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 8, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136 "2017-08-08T22:14:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/161 "2017-08-10T12:46:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **BobLibDem** : > > First thing they have to do- nominate an ambassador to South Korea. They need somebody with authority in Seoul that they can address their concerns with. When I read this, I thought “Wait, is he saying that we don’t currently have an ambassador there? That can’t be true!”. So I looked it up. And it is. _ **WHAT!?** _ ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/162 "2017-08-10T12:58:53Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > When I read this, I thought “Wait, is he saying that we don’t currently have an ambassador there? That can’t be true!”. > > So I looked it up. And it is. > > _ **WHAT!?** _ Who needs ambassadors when you’ve got ICBMs? ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/163 "2017-08-10T13:19:28Z")
Who’d want to be the US ambassador resident in South Korea? Were you in close enough with Trump’s circle to be considered a candidate you’d also be close enough to Trump-think to think that nuking the Korea Peninsula as sound foreign policy. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/164 "2017-08-10T13:23:09Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > When I read this, I thought “Wait, is he saying that we don’t currently have an ambassador there? That can’t be true!”. > > So I looked it up. And it is. > > _ **WHAT!?** _ For the love of god. ☹ > [@](#): > > In June, unnamed US officials told a South Korean newspaper that Victor Cha, a Korea expert at Georgetown University, was the likely pick, a move widely praised by Asia experts from both parties. > > But the absence of any movement on Cha’s nomination and his publication of an op-ed in the Washington Post coauthored by a former policy aide to Hillary Clinton, a perennial punching bag for Trump, has raised concerns about the status of his appointment. > > \ > > Other vacant positions relevant to the North Korean crisis include the assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific Affairs — a job that career official Susan Thornton is performing on an acting basis — and the under secretary of state for Arms Control and International Security. > > A similar situation prevails at the Pentagon, where policy toward North Korea is led by the assistant secretary of defense for Asian and Pacific security affairs, a position currently held on an acting basis by David Helvey. He has no deputy on east Asia affairs, as he holds that job as well. Cara Abercombie, the deputy in charge of South and Southeast Asia, is on sabbatical. That leaves Helvey largely on his own in charge of a region that stretches from Afghanistan to New Zealand > **[Trump Hasn't Appointed An Ambassador To Korea And Now It’s A Big Problem](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnhudson/trump-hasnt-appointed-an-ambassador-to-korea-and-now-its-a)** > > North Korea is threatening war, Donald Trump and Rex Tillerson are sending mixed signals, and there’s no US ambassador in South Korea to straighten things out. This seems appropriate now: > [@Blackadder](#): > > But the real reason for the whole thing was that it was too much effort _not_ to have a war. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/165 "2017-08-10T14:32:49Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Actually, no I didn’t. So try not to assume. Never once did I claim to be voting for Trump or to have voted for Trump. Bernie bros are much more to blame for Trump than I am. I actually even tried to talk some I know in real life to reconsider their vote for Trump. What I don’t do is come here to virtue signal and post based on my “feels.” So you didn’t vote for Trump, but you still bait liberals? That indicates your last sentence is actually the opposite. As long as them liberals are put in their place, what Trump does doesn’t matter. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/166 "2017-08-10T14:47:36Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Hillary (Or anyone really, but you insist on a name). It’s hard to speculate about Hillary since it’s such an unknown. Except for her time as Secretary of State, when many people believed she was surprisingly hawkish. Commenting on such an unknown is kind of meh to me. Who knows what she’d do. Obama on the other hand, who I assumed people would immediately consider, since he was liked by Democrats and has a record dealing with NK and it’s new leader, doesn’t sound that much different than how Trump is handling it now - > [@](#): > > Other experts agree that, despite Trump’s declarations that he’s abandoning Obama’s “strategic patience” with North Korea, the basic strategy of ramping up pressure on the regime to end its missile program is a carryover from the past eight years. > > “I would certainly agree that the bellicose rhetoric has increased under the Trump administration, but the policy of trying to ratchet up pressure on North Korea using sanctions and offering talks only after North Korea meets some onerous preconditions is similar to the Obama administration,” said Kelsey Davenport, director of nonproliferation policy at the Arms Control Association. Politico - [http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/08/trump-obama-north-korea-241389](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/08/trump-obama-north-korea-241389) > [@Grrr](#): > > And the policy should be the same as it always has been: Push for sanctions (Which Trump did, I’ll give him credit for that) and NOT engage the crazy man with Napoleon Syndrome in his rhetorical banter. Sounds like the policy is the same. No? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/167 "2017-08-10T14:54:55Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > It’s hard to speculate about Hillary since it’s such an unknown. Except for her time as Secretary of State, when many people believed she was surprisingly hawkish. > > Commenting on such an unknown is kind of meh to me. Who knows what she’d do. Certainly not Tweet out DPRK “will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen”. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/168 "2017-08-10T14:57:52Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > And of course, Shrub’s invasion of Iraq is the big reason that small hostile countries feel the need to have nukes as a deterrent. Libya seems is a like better example. Get rid of your nuke program and the other bad stuff you’re doing and we’ll be friends. Some friends. Some word we kept to. Follow that up with how we treated Egypt and others during the ‘Arab uprising’ (who were no threat to us militarily), and I can see how leaders look at our word as being crap. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/169 "2017-08-10T15:01:14Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Certainly not Tweet out DPRK “will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen”. We should have ignored or poo-poed the threat against Guam? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/170 "2017-08-10T15:13:45Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > We should have ignored or poo-poed the threat against Guam? Two narcissistic schoolyard bullies are facing off during recess and both have the capability to destroy a not-insignificant part of the playground. One threatens worse destruction on the other. That is not diplomacy, that is being a loose cannon. ---
**Author:** ![epolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@epolo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epolo)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/171 "2017-08-10T15:16:16Z")
Anyone else hear “fire and fury” and think that the Cheeto Benito was imagining he could send dragons against NK? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/172 "2017-08-10T15:20:33Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > We should have ignored or poo-poed the threat against Guam? The threat to Guam came after Trump’s “fire and fury” remark. He told them to stop making threats and they issued a threat. Trump’s a cuck. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/173 "2017-08-10T15:22:33Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Yes. > > A year ago, I _honestly believed_ there is no way in hell Trump would be elected president. I have learned the hard way not to underestimate the unfortunate outcomes from large amounts of stupidity. Then you’re phrasing the results of your lesson poorly, or in the alternative you learned the wrong lesson from your prior comeuppance. An accurate belief (that is, a belief that accurately models the real world) would be: _I believe that the chances of Trump ordering a first-strike nuclear attack on North Korea are far too high._ You don’t believe he WILL. (I suspect, anyway). You believe he might, and the chance is too high for your comfort. Put it another way: If I show you a pair of dice, and say, “Do you believe I’ll roll a pair of ones (snake-eyes)?” you’d be crazy to say that you did. But if I said, “Here are a pair of dice, and I’m going to roll them. If I get snake-eyes, I’m going to cut off your left arm,” then you still don’t believe I’ll get the roll – it’s just as unlikely as before. But now the small chance is tied to a horrific outcome, so reaction to it is magnified. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/174 "2017-08-10T15:23:13Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > The fat one with the funny looking hair and tiny hands. So is that Dump or Li’l Kim?? the description fits both of them. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/175 "2017-08-10T15:25:54Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > So is that Dump or Li’l Kim?? the description fits both of them. [Just swap the haircuts and get the best of both.](https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029438640) ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/176 "2017-08-10T15:26:40Z")
Note to self: Do not play craps with **Bricker.** ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/177 "2017-08-10T15:27:30Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > We should have ignored or poo-poed the threat against Guam? No. But we should make crystal clear that we don’t offer armed response to words. Trump’s narcissistic need to come out on top of any exchange is ill-suited to deal with Kim Jong-Un’s narcissistic need to come out on top of any exchange. We should be proud: until January 20th of this year, North Korea led the world in terms leaders with narcissistic needs to come out on top of any exchange and access to nuclear weaponry. Now we’re giving them a run for first place. Truly, we are great again. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/178 "2017-08-10T15:28:43Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Note to self: Do not play craps with **Bricker.** 😃 Wise on so many levels. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/179 "2017-08-10T15:29:34Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Wouldn’t it be something if President Obama showed up at the White House and just beat the living piss out of Trump? Put that shit on TV. I don’t care if it’s pay-per-view, I’ll pay good money to watch. Hell, I’ll even put out a party plate ,beer, funny hats, little banners, and vuvuzelas for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136/180 "2017-08-10T15:31:44Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Bush’s hardliners also never understood that America’s real strength came from soft power, not military power; that our cultural and economic influence was much more responsible for our standing and prosperity than our military. > > But this is the pit so let’s call Trump names, my new favorite is The Cum of All Our Fears. Bush’s hardliners were also, by and large, draft dodging chickenhawks who hoped to get rich. The “New American Century” was their neocon blueprint. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-the-world-really-needs-now-is-fire-fury/793136.md?page=10)