# What this place reminds me of **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 22, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160 "2013-07-22T03:56:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/161 "2013-07-25T17:19:59Z")
Did someone say bar? What time? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/162 "2013-07-25T17:26:46Z")
> [@colander](#): > > Speaking of which, do you happen to know what kind of martial arts pressure point techniques work well against wet, angry monkeys? (I am asking on behalf of a friend) Just use the double monkey punch. It’s a well-vetted technique. > [@Could you knock out an enraged chimp?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-knock-out-an-enraged-chimp/545830/24): > > first blow is to the wind pipe with the sharp of the knuckles and the second to both temples with both fists at the same time. This is done because the energy of a singular blow is partially absorbed by the deflection of the head. Striking from both sides doubles the force of a single blow and with nowhere for the head to deflect it transmits all the energy. I’m sure there is probably some additional trauma to the brain from 2 intersecting shock waves but I’ll leave that to engineers to explain. > [@Could you knock out an enraged chimp?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-knock-out-an-enraged-chimp/545830/79): > > The leverage generated behind a single punch is dissipated by the head as it moves away. It is simple physics which is not up for debate. > > It is the difference between striking a nail suspended from a string with a 20 lb sledge hammer and striking a nail into wood with a small hammer. The small hammer will deform the head of the nail with the slightest blow. All the kinetic energy is transmitted. > > You can demonstrate it on yourself quite easily. lightly strike your jaw with one hand/knuckle (not even the effort put into a hard applause clap) and repeat with the same force using both hands. Consider how many times you can multiple the energy of that blow. It takes nothing to break both sides of the jaw. > [@Could you knock out an enraged chimp?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-knock-out-an-enraged-chimp/545830/100): > > The explanation is wrong. the damage done by my method has nothing to do with the MMF example. I’m talking about imparting a double shock wave. It has nothing to do with the brain moving side to side. I don’t know what is so hard to understand about this. It is twice the force of punching a person in the head with the head against a solid surface. ALL of the kinetic energy passes through the skull and into the soft tissue of the brain, TWICE. Just like the energy of a ball in a [Newton’s Cradle](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_cradle). It is the reason a hammer deforms the head of a nail going into wood instead of the forward motion of a free floating nail. > > If the head doesn’t move, ALL of the energy is transmitted to the brain. It’s the same as if the skull wasn’t there and you hit the brain itself. It is the same laws of physics in play when a depth charge goes off near a submarine or a shaped charge warhead is used on a tank. It is the transfer of energy that destroys the object. By striking from opposite directions with the same amount of force you ensure the force of both strikes is completely transmitted to the object which in this case is soft brain tissue. > > What part of this don’t you understand? And, yes, this was just about my favorite thread ever. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/163 "2013-07-25T18:31:28Z")
> [@sylmar](#): > > “Bitching” is synonymous with cool in Cali. > > I think Dropzone believes you are the point to which the lodestone of all cool actions points. > > Merely conjecture on my part… Nitpick from the Left Coast: “Bitching” = complaining "Bitchin’ " = great. Gotta drop that g. Noticing our OP made himself scarce…and avoided direct questions about prior posting hx under another moniker. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/164 "2013-07-25T18:37:54Z")
**Wendell Wagner** wrote: \>The five monkeys in a cage grabbing for bananas and getting sprayed story is \> not told as a parable. It is told in management books and presentations as the \>exact account of a scientific experiment which needs to be explained to \> managers or prospective managers who can’t be bothered to look at the \> original article. Reading scientific articles is the job of those fussy technical \> people who understand details, which of course isn’t the job of managers. You \>can’t allow technical people to be managers, of course, since that would get in \> the way of understanding the big picture (and, more importantly, fitting that big \> picture in a pre-established management paradigm). You can’t even allow \> technical people to directly talk to the managers, since their understanding of \> details might pollute the minds of the managers and prevent them from \> worrying about the big picture. You have to have a level of people between \> those technical people and the managers whose job is to wildly oversimplify \> and distort the ideas that the technical people are trying to get across. That \> way these intermediate people can sufficiently stretch the true detailed story \> enough to make it fit into the pre-existing mindset of the managers. \>Look, you want to look as the five monkeys in a cage grabbing for bananas and \> getting sprayed story as a parable? O.K., let’s look what lesson that story (as \> told in the OP and various management books and presentations) seems to be \> preaching: It’s saying that at one point long ago in your corporation someone \> tried something new. It didn’t work out. After that point, everyone else in the \> corporation was afraid to try new things. It didn’t matter that eventually \> everyone who actually saw the new idea not work out has since left. Just the \> collective memory that a new idea didn’t work has prevented people from trying \>new ideas. So, the management consultant says, you should try new ideas all \> over the place. Think outside of the box. Change everything, no matter how \> much it seems to threaten the corporation. Your whining that the new idea \> might destroy the organization is like the monkeys complaining that at one \> point they got sprayed with a hose. \>That’s a fairly terrible management lesson. Furthermore, it doesn’t teach most \> people anything new and useful. Any intelligent person and any intelligent \> corporation (and any intelligent institution at all) knows already that sometimes \> but not always new ideas are useful. You should try them if they seem \> reasonable. Occasionally they won’t work, but that’s a chance you should \> take. You have to make a compromise between never changing and always \> changing everything. There’s no really good rule for when changing is best. \>Furthermore, the story in the OP has almost nothing with the point that the OP \>was trying to make. The story is not about monkeys quarreling for no reason at \> all. It was about monkeys beating newcomers to their cage because those \>newcomers don’t understand something that happened before. Even taken as \> a parable, it’s not a parable applicable to the point the OP was trying to make. **QuickSilver** wrote \>This. \>It’s too long and I didn’t read any of it. But I’m certain it’s something highly \> relevant and worth repeating for everyone’s benefit. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/165 "2013-07-25T18:56:45Z")
> [@get\_lives](#): > > What if you are having a productive discussion with a member on GD, get into a flame war with that same person in the Pit on a different topic, and suddenly the discussion in the GD thread becomes completely unproductive because you’ve bruised their ego in the Pit thread? Is that not a concern? No, it’s really not. Shocking as it may seem to you, most of the folks here aren’t five years old and don’t automatically assume anyone who disagrees with them on one point is a doody head whose other opinions are automatically worthless. The handful who are psychologically five years old and dismiss us and our doody-head opinions…well, we could give a flying fuck what someone like that thinks. > [@get\_lives](#): > > Would you treat a 5-year-old this way if you saw this tendency in them? With a toned-down vocabulary and the addition of taking them to a psychologist instead of just suggesting it, yeah. Compulsive tendencies that can hinder one’s social and psychological development need to be addressed and if possible overcome, because the greater world sure as shit won’t cater to them. And if you think this insatiable need to argue someone over to your side, no matter the relative merits of the views, doesn’t hinder social development and make people hate hate HATE being around you…you’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/166 "2013-07-25T19:22:11Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > The SDMB has several fora where we will argue endlessly with idiots, usually newcomers like yourself, to prevent lurkers from concluding that the idiot is right and that the collapse of the WTC was a controlled demolition, açaí berries cure cancer, the US should return to the gold standard, and Rush is the greatest band EVAH. The Pit is different. Here we get to yell at and about those people and their nonsensical beliefs, as well as employers who are morons and drivers who stop licking their spew from a goat’s asshole to honk at me because I don’t speed shift when pulling away from a green light. While there are Pit threads that provide intelligent discussion of current events, that is not its purpose. > > Shortly after joining, I, too, posted a thread about how infantile I found the Pit. I was told then some wise words that I have passed along to many new members: Stay out of the Pit until you’ve been here long enough to know the ropes. Remember that most of us are nice people who sometimes chafe under the yoke of being nice, but instead of machine gunning the lady in the next cubical who keeps pronouncing “gigabytes” as “gigglebytes,” “giggerbytes,” or worst of all, “megabytes,” we behave like the nerds we are and complain on the innertubes. I just wanted to say I like this post a lot. OP, you’ll find a whole bunch of people here who don’t participate in the Pit (much) and who rarely swear at other Dopers. I go out of my way to try not to. I have no problem with those who do; it’s just not my style. You could also, I don’t know, be mature and stay out of the Pit if you don’t like it’. It’s reaaaaally easy. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/167 "2013-07-25T19:33:14Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Nitpick from the Left Coast: > “Bitching” = complaining > "Bitchin’ " = great. Gotta drop that g. As my wing monkey, I have to note you’re really not helping out the cause here Truman… ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/168 "2013-07-26T06:05:20Z")
Sorry, pal. I guess that was less than bitchin’ of me:) ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/169 "2013-07-26T13:17:20Z")
> [@sylmar](#): > > As my wing monkey, I have to note you’re really not helping out the cause here Truman… Quit your bitching. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/170 "2013-07-26T14:17:58Z")
Day six. Wet. Tired. Confused. He Who Brought Us Here has vanished and the sacred banana has been desecrated. Females unreceptive to mating overtures. Journalistic integrity in the chronicling of these events derided as gratuitous whining. Boon companions too busy to indulge in anxiety reducing mutual grooming. Will the sun rise tomorrow? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/171 "2013-07-26T15:59:15Z")
A message board where apes evolved from trolls? ---
**Author:** ![Girlundone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Girlundone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girlundone)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/172 "2013-07-26T18:48:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Will the sun rise tomorrow? God, I miss get lives. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160/173 "2013-07-26T20:12:58Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > A message board where apes evolved from trolls? Damn dirty trolls. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-this-place-reminds-me-of/664160.md?page=8)