# What thread on the Dope most surprised you with its responses?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [January 3, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533 "2010-01-03T20:10:02Z")\
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**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/41 "2010-01-05T19:53:24Z")

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> [@hajario](#):
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> A significant number of people actually defended the co-worker. It was crazy. I was called prejudiced and an asshole because I thought that one doughnut per person was an appropriate serving size when there were barely enough to go around.

_Ha!_ I haven’t seen this thread, but why in heavens would this surprise you?

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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/42 "2010-01-05T19:59:48Z")

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I started [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=525685) one back in July and it’s still going strong: Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time. And it has to set a record for the most :smack: smileys.

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**Author:** ![valleyofthedolls](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a4c791/32.png) [@valleyofthedolls](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/valleyofthedolls)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/43 "2010-01-05T20:04:59Z")

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IIRC, there was a thread about proper funeral attire. I was surprised to see quite a few responses by people defending casual wear as appropriate.

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**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/44 "2010-01-05T20:10:41Z")

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> [@MeanOldLady](#):
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> _Ha!_ I haven’t seen this thread, but why in heavens would this surprise you?

😃 It wouldn’t surprise me _now_ but this was several years ago.

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**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/45 "2010-01-05T20:19:04Z")

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I’m surprised by some people in [thread=546438]this thread[/thread] and how downright _proud_ they are at having never done/see _X_.

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**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/46 "2010-01-05T20:41:04Z")

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> [@Sunspace](#):
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> Okay, this I simply don’t understand. Why would ordering milk be a social faux pas?
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> Maybe if I read the thread, I’lll understand.

Yeah, just looked at that thread and I don’t get it either.

When a person becomes old enough to be able to buy/obtain alcohol, they may go through a phase where alcohol is cool and adult, and given a choice between alcohol and a soft drink they will always go for the former.

But as an adult, drinks are just drinks, and I would have no problem with someone ordering milk at a restaurant (it’s very good if you’ve eaten spicy food btw) or “sodeypop at a martini bar” (which was another example given of unsophistication).

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**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/47 "2010-01-05T20:50:35Z")

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> [@Freudian\_Slit](#):
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> If abortion were illegal everywhere and it was either be abstinent or give birth…, then I’d be abstinent.

Assuming you can give the baby up for adoption, is avoiding 9 months of pregnancy worth a lifetime without sex? Doesn’t the pleasure of a lifetime of sex outweigh whatever negatives 9 months of pregnancy will cause?

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**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/48 "2010-01-05T20:52:39Z")

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> [@Polerius](#):
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> Doesn’t the pleasure of a lifetime of sex outweigh whatever negatives 9 months of pregnancy will cause?

No. And I think I’ve been very clear about how I feel about sex.

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**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/49 "2010-01-05T21:00:42Z")

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> [@Stealth\_Potato](#):
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> If the predictor is perfect, in all possible universes where you choose both boxes, the box on the right contains zero dollars. So the choice is not between $X and $X+1000, but between $X and $1000 (where X is much larger than 1000), and therefore the rational choice for someone who wants a lot of money is to pick the single box containing $X. The cause and effect is there, but from the point of view of the chooser it seems to be retroactive. (Although it isn’t, really.)

I briefly looked at this “paradox” on Wikipedia, and my question is: Isn’t this like asking, if 1 equals 0, then what do you do if …

Basically, the “perfect predictor” does not exist. Trying to fit our notion of causality in a world where a perfect predictor exists is bound to fail.

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**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/50 "2010-01-05T21:02:27Z")

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> [@DianaG](#):
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> No. And I think I’ve been very clear about how I feel about sex.

Can you clarify?

On one hand, we have 40 years of sexual pleasure.

On the other hand we have nine months of \_\_\_\_.

Can you fill in the blank as to what aspects of pregnancy you expect to be so bad to outweigh 40 years of sexual pleasure?

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**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/51 "2010-01-05T21:03:14Z")

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> [@Polerius](#):
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> Assuming you can give the baby up for adoption, is avoiding 9 months of pregnancy worth a lifetime without sex? Doesn’t the pleasure of a lifetime of sex outweigh whatever negatives 9 months of pregnancy will cause?

It’s not just nine months of pregnancy–it’s nine months where my body isn’t my own and where I have to go through an incredibly painful act (i.e., labor) against my will, for absolutely no reward. Don’t you think that’s going to make sex fraught with pain and anxiety?

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**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/52 "2010-01-05T21:06:26Z")

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And then a lifetime of knowing you’ve got a kid out there somewhere. Being pregnant is far more than an inconvenience, and I know this might sound funny coming from me, but there are also significant \*emotional \*issues attached to childbearing.

I swear to god some guys think it’s like “What? You can’t drink for 9 months, and then it’s over. No big.”

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**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/53 "2010-01-05T21:07:31Z")

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> [@Freudian\_Slit](#):
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> It’s not just nine months of pregnancy–it’s **nine months where my body isn’t my own**

I don’t want to derail this question, but the above sentiment is sad.

> [@](#):
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> and where I have to go through an incredibly painful act (i.e., labor) against my will, for absolutely no reward.

Well, the reward is 40 years of sexual pleasure 🙂

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**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/54 "2010-01-05T21:09:18Z")

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> [@DianaG](#):
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> I swear to god guys think it’s like “What? You can’t drink for 9 months, and then it’s over. No big.”

Come on, don’t exaggerate. Can you specify what exactly is it about those 9 months that outweighs 40 years of sexual pleasure?

Is it pain? Discomfort? Other?

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**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/55 "2010-01-05T21:12:01Z")

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Did you entirely disregard the first line of my post?

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**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/56 "2010-01-05T21:15:53Z")

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> [@Polerius](#):
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> I don’t want to derail this question, but the above sentiment is sad.

Why is it sad? I don’t think that pregnancy is a great evil–_if the woman wants it_. The only thing I think is sad is the idea of any woman having to endure a pregnancy when she doesn’t want to be pregnant. I think every woman deserves control over her reproductive rights.

> [@](#):
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> Well, the reward is 40 years of sexual pleasure 🙂

No, the reward is not knowing if I’ll get pregnant again and if I’ll have to surrender my body to another nine months. Oh, and stretch marks and all those other great things.

ETA: It’s the ability to not have control over your body. It’s the knowledge that you’re going to have weird stuff happen to you against your will when you could easily control against it. And that at the end of it, some really painful stuff is going to happen to your nether regions–and hey, you could potentially get your abdomen sliced open. FUN!

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**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/57 "2010-01-05T21:27:08Z")

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> [@DianaG](#):
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> Did you entirely disregard the first line of my post?

It wasn’t there when I first replied. You must have edited it in later.

So, you’re answer is that knowing that you have a kid somewhere out there, and the emotional issues involved in pregnancy are sufficient for you to never have sex again?

I think it’s funny that this is coming from women who proclaim in another thread that women enjoy sex just as much as men, and have a sex drive just as strong as men’s. I think most men would agree to have a rabid skunk strapped to their neck for 9 months if it meant they didn’t have to forego sex for the rest of their life.

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**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/58 "2010-01-05T21:29:13Z")

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And I think you’re one of those clueless guys I mentioned. You see, I actually \*know \*what \*both \*sexual pleasure \*and \*pregnancy/childbirth are like.

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**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/59 "2010-01-05T21:30:33Z")

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I know this thread has “Hijack Me” written all over it, but maybe start a new thread?

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**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-thread-on-the-dope-most-surprised-you-with-its-responses/523533/60 "2010-01-05T21:30:42Z")

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> [@Freudian\_Slit](#):
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> It’s the knowledge that you’re going to have weird stuff happen to you

I’ve seen plenty of pregnant women, and nothing “weird” happened to any of them. YMMV

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