# What to do when your kid fails a high school course? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 29, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-to-do-when-your-kid-fails-a-high-school-course/825296 "2018-11-29T20:59:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-to-do-when-your-kid-fails-a-high-school-course/825296/21 "2018-11-30T17:08:29Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > How are the rest of his grades? Maybe he’s just not a math person. Algebra can seem abstract and useless. He may do better with more practical kinds of math classes. > > Long term, does he want to do anything in science or engineering? Algebra is really only needed for those kinds of tracks. If he does want to go into these fields, he’ll need to do a lot more math. In Minnesota you are required to take and pass Algebra II (or have an IEP that exempts you) in order to graduate from high school. So you do need it here. You’ll also need it to get into any sort of decent four year college - if you don’t have it you’ll end up in community college (where you’ll need to take it as remedial math) or at an open enrollment school. It was even required for my son’s welding program. (I don’t agree with this, but the advice that you don’t need it isn’t universal - you may never use it in real life, but around here, you need to pass that course). ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-to-do-when-your-kid-fails-a-high-school-course/825296/22 "2018-11-30T17:10:33Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > It could be that this teacher is going too fast, making things too hard, and expecting too much. > > Or it could be that his previous teacher(s) made things too easy and didn’t make sure the kids actually learned what they were supposed to be learning. Anyone would struggle in Algebra II if they never really learned Algebra I. > > Or it could be somewhere in between—or something else entirely, like this teacher’s personality or teaching style just not clicking with your kid. > > Sounds like you already know this: Even if the algebra isn’t something he’ll need to use later in life, the life skills of completing assigned work and making himself do what he needs to do definitely are. what happened to me is that I was able to (relatively speaking) cruise through grade school, and never really had to develop any serious study habits. then I hit a wall with the more advanced math and struggled for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-to-do-when-your-kid-fails-a-high-school-course/825296/23 "2018-11-30T17:15:43Z")
So what we did…we bought his textbook and the teacher’s edition of his textbook. I relearned Algebra II and I retaught as we went. The teachers edition had the problems worked out (show your work style!) We’d work through it until he had rote memorization of the steps required (and in what order!) to solve that sort of problem. I also spent a lot of time teaching him how to use his scientific calculator to check his work and get some of the answers. A lot of Algebra II problems can be solved by the technology most high schools allow - if you understand the more advanced functions on your TI-84. That was also really helpful when my kids took the ACT - they both did pretty well and part of the reason was they knew how to work quickly through the math via calculator. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-to-do-when-your-kid-fails-a-high-school-course/825296/24 "2018-11-30T17:20:37Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > what happened to me is that I was able to (relatively speaking) cruise through grade school, and never really had to develop any serious study habits. then I hit a wall with the more advanced math and struggled for a while. With my daughter, her ADHD caught up with her with advanced math. As long as the math was easy enough for her not to have to pay attention through an ENTIRE problem, it was easy. When a math problem takes five minutes to solve, and you need the executive processing functions to get through all the steps and in the right order, all the ADHD issues come forward. Algebra II was when she finally got her diagnosis - because she had a good math teacher that noticed where her issue was. Now its college and its academic texts that are challenging those same parts of her brain. (My son’s issue was weed brain, you really can’t get good at Algebra when you are learning it stoned - or at least he couldn’t). ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-to-do-when-your-kid-fails-a-high-school-course/825296/25 "2018-11-30T17:31:04Z")
> [@Tastes\_of\_Chocolate](#): > > Also, is this the only class he’s having problems with? The son of someone I know started having trouble with school, when a bit younger than your son, started having trouble with school. He was a good kid in class, he could learn the stuff, but he just didn’t bother to work on anything. Homework went finished. Or finished but not turned in. It also just plain old isn’t uncommon with kids this age. It can be indicative of other issues (ADHD, depression, anxiety, substance abuse), but its also sometimes just that adolescent brains can make some really strange choices. Having raised teenagers, all of us Moms of teenagers would get together and - except for the mothers of perfect children who we didn’t invite (and I suspect were less perfect than their mothers said they were) - wonder where their brains went. And its homework avoidance. Or more maddening, homework turning in avoidance. Or distractions like phones, boys, girls, friends, gossip, activities. That really driven kid who gets all their homework done and applies themselves to their classes and gets through without issue - they are the exception. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-to-do-when-your-kid-fails-a-high-school-course/825296/26 "2018-11-30T20:32:19Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Is your son an introvert? Learning to show up for office hours when you are in trouble is a skill he’s going to need in college. You may be at the point of having to treat social anxiety if that’s at the crux of this. It is not uncommon for anxious people to do fine as long as they are being told what to do. When the uncertainty of self-direction comes along, we can be paralyzed by it. > > I would also be looking at screen addiction. You mention his TV time, so that’s a possible red flag. He may need a 2-3 week break from TV-phone-computer to re-engage with the real world. Make it a fun time for him, (go out hiking or exploring) and help him learn to recognize the symptoms. Adults of his generation who can self-identify and yank themselves out of cyber world at intervals will have a huge advantage in society. > > Addressing both of these, exercise is a huge help. How much is he getting? > > All that said, I hesitate to offer work-arounds, but failing is a bad option. For me, [Khan academy](https://www.khanacademy.org/) has been a godsend. It’s free, and their software will pinpoint the problem and give exercises to strengthen whatever skills are lacking. > > I started out using it because Celtling’s math classes were taught so differently than the ones I grew up with. Working through the early chapters showed me the language and methods by which she was learning. > > There was a surprise waiting for me though, I couldn’t believe how much I had forgotten, or had lost track of over the years. I found myself with a much deeper understanding, and actually kept going through calculus, a thing I would never have thought myself capable of. (See “Math Person” above.) > > He will still need to pay attention in class, and make sure he knows how the teacher wants him to go through the steps on tests. But it will all make sense again if he works through this program. Wow! You hit it right on the nose. Yes he’s an introvert and all those things about needing direction - yes. Too much tv - yes. We will start working on that. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-to-do-when-your-kid-fails-a-high-school-course/825296/27 "2018-11-30T20:55:44Z")
All of my kids knew that my wife and I would actively involved in their education and would be keeping close tabs on their grades. In the case of our son,when he began having problems with high school math, we reacted immediately. Through talking to him and his teacher we worked to figure out the underlying issue(s), helped him work through his homework, and got him outside tutoring or those things that just weren’t clicking. We also limited TV, non-school computer use and phone time until schoolwork was done. We made it clear that school was “job” and he was expected to take it seriously as such. It wasn’t easy for him or for us, but it worked because we started early and stayed involved. Not intervening until half way through the semester, while not impossible to overcome,makes the chances of success much lower. My son will never be a math enthusiast, by any stretch, but he passed the classes and graduated on time without summer school. Of course, all of the above goes out the window if it is truly a lack of ability. That wasn’t the case with my son, it was more A) lack of interest, B)it didn’t come easy like he was used to with everything else, C) had little perceived value for one who aspired to be a musician and D) being a teenage boy. That’s why rooting out the base issues is the critical first step - it sets the agenda for all actions to follow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-to-do-when-your-kid-fails-a-high-school-course/825296.md?page=1)