# What was Feinstein expecting before releasing Ford's letter? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661 "2018-10-08T18:10:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/81 "2018-10-11T14:06:00Z")
I don’t post in this folder given that the person who looks over this place refers to my posts as “anti-white”. I’m a firm believer that if someone wants you out their house. You bid adieu and leave. But, please forgive me, I just cannot leave this comment unchallenged because you know. > [@Shodan](#): > > “Garland” is a tactic? > > Maybe you meant “Borking”. > > Regards, > Shodan When the white President nominated Bork, the white Senate Majority leader and the white folks on the judiciary committee took up the white nomination, met and vet the white nominee, and had robust [hearings on his temperament and judicial philosophy](https://www.c-span.org/video/?994-2/bork-nomination-hearings). In contrast, when a black President nominated Garland (a white male nominee that white Republicans wanted him to nominate), the white Senate Majority leader and white folks on the judiciary committee, refuse to meet with the nominee, and bragged that not holding hearings on that nomination was, in the Senate Majority leaders’ words, the “consequential decision I’ve made in my entire public career (yes, this was said)”. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/82 "2018-10-11T14:13:50Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > Let’s ask the reverse question yeah? > > Too many of YOU folks right here on this very board want so desperately to BELIEVE that ANY evidence to the contrary (or in this case NO Evidence in support) is thrown completely out the window . > > Simply because it aligned with your political compass. > > Shocked i am!! That’s nice, but kinda meaningless until backed up by specifics. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/83 "2018-10-11T14:18:06Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > “Garland” is a tactic? > > Maybe you meant “Borking”. > > Regards, > Shodan Ah, Borking. I believe the definition of Borking is “a bipartisan majority of the Senate joining to vote a nominee down.” When it’s clear that better nominees are available, yea, even nominees of the same partisan affiliation, then I heartily encourage Borking. They should have Borked Kavanaugh, because there were clearly conservatives of better quality available to be nominated. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/84 "2018-10-11T14:47:34Z")
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**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/85 "2018-10-11T16:53:02Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I’m not an expert on this, but I understand that other names on the Federalist Society list, like Amy Coney Barrett, are even further to the right. The comparison of Kavanaugh to Thomas et al is helpful, but it doesn’t really disprove that there are others that would be even more conservative, which is my informal understanding. On every chart I have seen ([here is just one](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-4-potential-nominees-would-change-the-supreme-court/)) Thomas remains the arch conservative on the court. Kethledge and Kavanaugh are tied being a smidgen less conservative than Thomas and Amy Coney Barrett was not ranked although she appeared to be popular among social conservatives. In short there may be some judge more conservative than Kavanaugh out there but Kavanaugh is well to the right…sufficiently so that it is hard to imagine any conservative complain he is not conservative enough and would hope for someone even more to the right. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/86 "2018-10-11T17:43:53Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > (Post doorhinged) > > Garland. WOOHOO! I’ve been verbed. Democrats and Republicans use whatever tactics are available to them. That’s politics. Currently, thanks to the voters promoting elected Democrats to the minority party, delay and slander are the only tactics still available to the Democrat Party. Feinstein, or some other Democrat, released Ford’s letter after it became apparent that the Democrat’s effort to derail Kavanaugh’s nomination was still failing. _What else do we have? Well, there’s this anonymous letter claiming Kavanaugh molested her some 36 years ago. Really? Is that it? Is that all we have left? Yep. OK, let’s go with that. Maybe some of those misogynist, racist, Nazi-loving, Putin-obeying, old, white, men, and maybe women, will finally pressure their elected representatives of the majority party to act like the Democrats which they had chosen NOT to elect to office._ ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/87 "2018-10-11T18:01:04Z")
Let’s make a list of other Republican judicial nominations that Dems have had strong objections to, but ended up getting votes and being confirmed: 1. David Stras 2. Allison H. Eid 3. Amy Coney Barrett 4. John B. Nalbandian 5. Stephanos Bibas 6. James C. Ho 7. Britt Grant 8. Amul Thapar 9. John K. Bush 10. Andy Oldham 11. Gregory G. Katsas 12. L. Steven Grasz 13. Don Willett 14. Kyle Duncan 15. Michael B. Brennan 16. Dominic W. Lanza 17. Charles Barnes Goodwin 18. Neil Gorsuch 19. Brett Kavanaugh Now let us make a list of those for whom this “playbook” has been used: 1. Kavanaugh Oh yeah, clearly you have a huuuuuuuuge problem on your hands. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/88 "2018-10-11T18:30:06Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > **Feinstein** , or some other Democrat, released Ford’s letter… (bolding mine) Are you of the opinion that if you repeat this often enough it will become true, or do you think that if it said enough times you will achieve some desired effect? ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/89 "2018-10-11T18:30:28Z")
That vast Democrat conspiracy to share information related to their job!!! It is sad for Dr Ford that it was leaked and now she is suffering, but to claim that the Democrats should have sat on potentially disqualifying information is just insane. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/90 "2018-10-11T18:51:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > (bolding mine) Are you of the opinion that if you repeat this often enough it will become true, or do you think that if it said enough times you will achieve some desired effect? Ahem - Originally Posted by doorhinge - Feinstein, or some other Democrat, released Ford’s letter… Only Democrats had access to Ford’s anonymous letter. While they themselves are busy denying that they released the letter, only a Democrat who had access to the letter could have released the letter. It’s a small list. The desired effect would be for the Democrat who released/leaked the letter to come forward and admit that they released/leaked the letter. Why should the leaker let the reputation of other Democrats suffer because of their action? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/91 "2018-10-11T19:01:34Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The desired effect would be for the Democrat who released/leaked the letter to come forward and admit that they released/leaked the letter. Why should the leaker let the reputation of other Democrats suffer because of their action? Your concern for the reputation of Democrats rings as hollow as a balloon. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/92 "2018-10-11T19:52:19Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Ahem - > Originally Posted by doorhinge - > Feinstein, or some other Democrat, released Ford’s letter… …Feinstein has denied it. The Intercept has stated that Feinstein nor anyone in her office released the letter. We don’t know who else was in possession of the letter. It is not reasonable to include Feinstein’s name here: even with the disclaimer, unless your intent is to continue to propagate a narrative that has been debunked. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/93 "2018-10-12T17:27:23Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …Feinstein has denied it. The Intercept has stated that Feinstein nor anyone in her office released the letter. We don’t know who else was in possession of the letter. It is not reasonable to include Feinstein’s name here: even with the disclaimer, unless your intent is to continue to propagate a narrative that has been debunked. Debunked by whom? Someone received the released/leaked information. Perhaps they could step forward and ID the leaker? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/94 "2018-10-12T17:37:05Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Debunked by whom? Someone received the released/leaked information. Perhaps they could step forward and ID the leaker? For what purpose? To help you on your quest to make sure certain Democrats are not unfairly vilified by… you? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/95 "2018-10-12T18:56:16Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …Feinstein has denied it. The Intercept has stated that Feinstein nor anyone in her office released the letter. We don’t know who else was in possession of the letter. It is not reasonable to include Feinstein’s name here: even with the disclaimer, unless your intent is to continue to propagate a narrative that has been debunked. The possibility exists that the Intercept is lying. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/96 "2018-10-12T18:58:46Z")
> [@hurricaneditka](#): > > the possibility exists that the intercept is lying. “guilty until proven innocnet?!@$ what happened to hte americun way?,?” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/97 "2018-10-12T19:44:06Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > “guilty until proven innocnet?!@$ what happened to hte americun way?,?” I’m not suggesting the Intercept is “guilty” of a crime, just that their uncorroborated assertion doesn’t necessarily leave the “narrative” “debunked”. ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/98 "2018-10-12T19:55:25Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m not suggesting the Intercept is “guilty” of a crime, just that their uncorroborated assertion doesn’t necessarily leave the “narrative” “debunked”. Funny how Dr Ford wasn’t afforded that… ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/99 "2018-10-12T19:59:07Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Debunked by whom? …debunked by the participants in this very thread. > [@](#): > > Someone received the released/leaked information. Yes they did. It was the Intercept. > [@](#): > > Perhaps they could step forward and ID the leaker? That of course would not only be irresponsible, but without the permission of the leaker contrary to basic journalism ethics. The last time a leaker to the Intercept got identified the leaker got jailed for five years: it is in their best interests not to let that happen again. However in the face of a disinformation campaign the editor of the Intercept came forward to state that the leaker was not Feinstein or any of her staff. So unless your intent is to continue the disinformation campaign, or you can produce credible evidence the Intercept is lying: there is no reasonable reason to continue to insinuate that Feinstein was involved. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661/100 "2018-10-12T20:14:36Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m not suggesting the Intercept is “guilty” of a crime, just that their uncorroborated assertion doesn’t necessarily leave the “narrative” “debunked”. …it is debunked unless you can provide credible evidence the Intercept has lied. There isn’t even a hint that this is the case. “The Intercept might have lied” is a Talking Point. Propaganda. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-feinstein-expecting-before-releasing-fords-letter/822661.md?page=6)