# What was I being offered for $600 at a Houston strip club? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 28, 2014, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742 "2014-03-28T05:24:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/41 "2014-03-29T03:13:45Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > The woman was cited for prostitution (escort license required) and the man was cited for disorderly conduct.\*\*\* So it would have been kosher for the woman to get paid for sex if she had an escort license? ETA: I remember leaving a strip club one night and a friend of mine was talking about how one of the dancers was all over him and coming on to him. I told him she doesn’t dig you, she digs your $20s. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/42 "2014-03-29T03:44:01Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > So it would have been kosher for the woman to get paid for sex if she had an escort license? No. Many municipalities have “unlicensed escort” written into their prostitution ordinance. It’s easier to prove one doesn’t have an escort license than it is to prove paid non-marital sex took place or was offered. So, you’re an escort but don’t have a license to be? Boom, citation for prostitution. This is also easier to prosecute than the state charge of prostitution which does not have the escort license provision in the statute. Had this woman had an escort license then they would have had to prove there was sex for sale. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/43 "2014-03-29T04:10:50Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I was a driver for almost 10 years starting in the early to mid 80s, the northern half of New Jersey, Staten Island, and lower New York State. So; go-go bars, a handful of full nudity “juice bars”, and topless bars in NY. > One prostitute (who was more _rumored to be_ than _we’re actually know this_), > one former prostitute, > less than a dozen that would do “side work” at bachelor parties, > out of the ~400 - 500 women that my brother was an “agent” for, over more than a decade. > > Absolutely none of the bars that I was familiar with would have tolerated, for a second, any dancer soliciting in their bars. Their liquor license was far too valuable and under constant threat of loss for things like “flashing” and dancers allowing too much contact when taking tips. > > Any general statement about “strippers” is, almost, always wrong! > > CMC fnord! All of this depends on the state and jurisdiction. I have been to a grand total of six strip bars in my entire life. Two were in New Orleans, one was in Massachusetts and the other two were in Rhode Island. New Orleans has the skanky kind of strippers along with live sex shows and many of them are definitely prostitutes. Touching is not only allowed, it is encouraged and that beautiful woman you view through beer goggles may not be a woman at all. Massachusetts is different. There are strip clubs but they only exist in the outer suburbs and they are strict no-touching even for private dances. Most people do not know about Rhode Island because it is such a tiny state but it has the very most liberal strip club laws in the U.S. by far including Nevada. It is mostly mafia controlled and has semi-legalized prostitution in its strip clubs. Even the teaser stage dances are full nudity with some touching allowed. The Campaign rooms are no holds barred as long as you work it out ahead of time. I never had sex with one but apparently a friend paid for that service for me. It cost $120 dollars for 20 minutes. She was a gorgeous thing and we got much further than I ever intended. I cut it off after a certain point because I don’t do prostitutes no matter how pretty they are but I can certainly understand the appeal. I could go back there tonight and have sex on demand with someone more attractive than anyone I know personally and it would be less than $200 all inclusive. It is legal and quite accepted there whereas the same thing could get everyone arrested just a 30 minute drive away in Massachusetts or Connecticut. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/44 "2014-03-29T04:53:05Z")
Hell, for $600, I’d expect to be able to do anything I want for at least a full day if not a weekend. At least, that’s roughly the going rate for hookers around here from what I’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/45 "2014-03-29T05:22:29Z")
> [@Antinor01](#): > > Hell, for $600, I’d expect to be able to do anything I want for at least a full day if not a weekend. At least, that’s roughly the going rate for hookers around here from what I’ve seen. It’s been over 34 years since I’ve been on a date. But you can’t convince me taking a regular gal out and spending $600 on her (or a few $200 dates) in the long run isn’t going to get you more sex than one night with a whore. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/46 "2014-03-29T05:31:37Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > It’s been over 34 years since I’ve been on a date. But you can’t convince me taking a regular gal out and spending $600 on her (or a few $200 dates) in the long run isn’t going to get you more sex than one night with a whore. Didn’t say it wouldn’t. I was talking about paying a ‘professional’ for services. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/47 "2014-03-29T06:14:08Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Sex. She’s a prostitute who calls herself a stripper. Nope! > [@pkbites](#): > > You pay the money, and when you get back to the VIP room the girl is gone. For the night. > You get pissed and demand your money back or the girl. When you get nothing but deer in headlights looks from all the other employees you get super pissed and start yelling and screaming. > > And the bouncers beat the shit out of you and throw you out on your ass! > > Then you think you’re smart and you call the police. The cops seem more interested in your disorderly conduct inside the place, and your admission that you paid for sex. Yep! “VIP” stands for “Victim In Progress” ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/48 "2014-03-29T14:55:55Z")
[This song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SD8C-4MMxE) seems to work in the context of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/49 "2014-03-29T18:13:54Z")
Semi-tangential, but while I ‘get’ the appeal of sleeping with a prostitute, I’ve never really understood the appeal of strip clubs. (I mean, a lot of guys have a fantasy of dating a stripper, but going to a strip club is probably not, I’d imagine, the best way to meet a stripper _for real_). Do countries with legalized prostitution (e.g. most of Latin America) have strip clubs, or are strip clubs just sort of an inferior substitute in countries where actual prostitution is outlawed. Like, are there strip clubs in the Dominican Republic or Brazil? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/50 "2014-03-29T18:58:34Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Semi-tangential, but while I ‘get’ the appeal of sleeping with a prostitute, I’ve never really understood the appeal of strip clubs. (I mean, a lot of guys have a fantasy of dating a stripper, but going to a strip club is probably not, I’d imagine, the best way to meet a stripper _for real_). > > Do countries with legalized prostitution (e.g. most of Latin America) have strip clubs, or are strip clubs just sort of an inferior substitute in countries where actual prostitution is outlawed. Like, are there strip clubs in the Dominican Republic or Brazil? When I have gone to strip clubs, it is to watch attractive, naked women dance. There are generally a few who bother to be good at it in most large clubs. I’m not interested in making sexual contact with the strippers or dating them. I suppose that is why I have a good time when I visit … I get what I’m after. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/51 "2014-03-29T19:31:05Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > When I have gone to strip clubs, it is to watch attractive, naked women dance. There are generally a few who bother to be good at it in most large clubs. I’m not interested in making sexual contact with the strippers or dating them. I suppose that is why I have a good time when I visit … I get what I’m after. I guess this is where it all falls down for me. Of all the porn/sex/fantasy/satisfaction things in the spectrum, the idea of sitting over here (having paid a cover change or drinking grossly overpriced drinks) while nekkid girls dance over there is just a… black hole. I can’t imagine doing that any more than I’d go to a Barbie playdate or an RV show. I mean, yeah, on the lookin’ and lustin’ level, I guess I get it… but it seems so pointless and “halfway there.” ETA: It really is the pinnacle of objectification of women as sex objects, demanding that they be present and real but serving no purpose but HEY LOOK AT MY TITS. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/52 "2014-03-29T20:48:25Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > I guess this is where it all falls down for me. Of all the porn/sex/fantasy/satisfaction things in the spectrum, the idea of sitting over here (having paid a cover change or drinking grossly overpriced drinks) while nekkid girls dance over there is just a… black hole. I can’t imagine doing that any more than I’d go to a Barbie playdate or an RV show. > > I mean, yeah, on the lookin’ and lustin’ level, I guess I get it… but it seems so pointless and “halfway there.” > > ETA: It really is the pinnacle of objectification of women as sex objects, demanding that they be present and real but serving no purpose but HEY LOOK AT MY TITS. And on the opposite side of the issue, I don’t understand how people can not get the appeal of a strip club (assuming they’re generally interested in women). It’s a place where you can watch good looking women get naked. How can anyone not like that? Do these same people say “Why bother checking out women at the beach? Sure, I get to see them in their bikinis but what’s the point if I don’t get to have sex with them?” I find that attitude a lot more objectifying. It’s saying that a woman’s only purpose is to be fucked and if you aren’t going to have the opportunity to fuck her, then there’s no point in a woman being present. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/53 "2014-03-29T21:48:47Z")
The difference is you’re paying the women at the club to take their clothes off when you could be paying them for sex. How you get from there to saying women might as well not be around if not for sex is mind boggling. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/54 "2014-03-29T22:13:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And on the opposite side of the issue, I don’t understand how people can not get the appeal of a strip club (assuming they’re generally interested in women). It’s a place where you can watch good looking women get naked. How can anyone not like that? > > Do these same people say “Why bother checking out women at the beach? Sure, I get to see them in their bikinis but what’s the point if I don’t get to have sex with them?” > > I find that attitude a lot more objectifying. It’s saying that a woman’s only purpose is to be fucked and if you aren’t going to have the opportunity to fuck her, then there’s no point in a woman being present. In addition, there’s a difference between good dancing and standing around saying “Hey Look at my tits!” The “Hey Look at my tits!” dancers bore me. A woman who knows how to make her body define the terms "sinuous"and “erotic” and “graceful” while dancing is worth watching. Amateur Barbarian’s mileage clearly varies. For the record, I also enjoy watching clothed belly dancers and ballroom dancers and quite a few other forms. I consider nude dance a variant on the theme, but being male, it’s particularly appealing to me. I feel no need to fuck the dancer afterward, though I do find the dancing arousing. Maybe if she did that grinding her butt in my lap thing as part of the dance, I’d feel differently … though I wouldn’t consider that dancing. ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/55 "2014-03-29T23:53:38Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > I’m not convinced by **nevadaexile** ’s claims, but bank tellers (for example) don’t have the same _opportunity_ to sell sex on the side that a stripper does. A stripper is likely to be surrounded by drunk, horny men who are in a cash-spending mood. A randomly-selected strip club owner / manager may or may not approve of his employee propositioning customers, but he’s far more likely to approve than a randomly selected bank manager would be. Never banked at Cumerica, huh? Or J.P. More than Chaste? There are those who strip their way through school. On the slow days you’ll occasionally see some girls doing their homework. At least I have. ---
**Author:** ![scootergirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e99b99/32.png) [@scootergirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scootergirl)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/56 "2014-03-30T00:14:47Z")
> [@Habeed](#): > > Still, I have always wondered…what would have happened if I had ponied up the cash…? A nice afternoon, light conversation and some tea and crumpets. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/57 "2014-03-30T14:39:14Z")
Seeing trash dance around for money makes me lose erections. To each his own, I guess… ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/58 "2014-03-30T15:54:05Z")
It only makes me sad, because I’ll never have a daughter of my own to inflict daddy issues upon. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/59 "2014-03-31T14:00:19Z")
> [@scootergirl](#): > > A nice afternoon, light conversation and some tea and crumpets. Or possibly coke and strumpets. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742/60 "2014-03-31T17:12:40Z")
> [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > :rolleyes:So is “employee”. Everyone prostitutes themselves at some point. That statement renders the word “prostitute” meaningless. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-i-being-offered-for-600-at-a-houston-strip-club/684742.md?page=4)