# What was the loudest fanboy howl of outrage? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 9, 2005, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810 "2005-09-09T13:49:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/81 "2005-09-10T16:16:05Z")
> [@Banquet Bear](#): > > …and for the X-Files, (however I suspect that the outrage was mine alone!.. > > They killed the Lone Gunmen! B\*stards! Although they had a habit of killing minor characters I liked, Scully’s sister was cool, perky and cute, and Agent Pendrell was funny, and deserved Scully, dammit! ☹ I’ve never been a fanboy enough about anything to get outraged about a plot development, but I _hated_ the fact that _Millennium_ killed off Jose Chung. It wasn’t that I was mad that Jose Chung had died, I somehow felt that it wasn’t kosher for _Millennium_ to kill off an _X-Files_ character, especially the one featured in possibly their finest episode ever. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/82 "2005-09-10T16:19:56Z")
> [@DataZak](#): > > Did the Trekkies cry blue murder when Kirk died? Frell no. We cheered. The Ringworld is unstable! (Pretty big in the convention world of skiffy freaks at the time, anyways.) ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/83 "2005-09-10T16:23:03Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Wasn’t there some (apparently serious) discussion of turning Lex Luthor into a Kryptonian, and a bunch of other oddball, canon destroying stuff in the Superman movie that was being considered a few years ago (not the current one)? Apparently there was :o > [@](#): > > Diogenes the Cynic > > A couple of years ago an early script for the next Superman movie was reviewed on AICN. The script included the following revisions to the franchise: > [list][li]Krypton doesn’t explode.[_]Supe’s powers are in his suit.[_]Jimmy Olsen is gay[\*]Lex Luthor is from Krypton and has super powers.[/li] > The talkback following the script review is hilarious. It also resulted in an online petition to keep the script from being shot. This was a case where the explosion of fanboy outrage may have actually stopped a travesty from happening ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/84 "2005-09-10T17:05:13Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > To me the ending felt tacked on, in a sense. I’m not sure what point Tolkien was trying to prove. Basically that 1) no place is safe from evil; 2) the hobbits have grown from being timid country folk to strong, commanding warriors in their own right, who no longer need Gandalf or Aragorn to help them put things right. I think it’s an important part of the book, and while I don’t blame PJ for taking it out of the movie, it’s still a shame. BTW, I think the first “fan” outrage would have to be over the death of Little Nell. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/85 "2005-09-10T17:10:15Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > Basically that 1) no place is safe from evil; 2) the hobbits have grown from being timid country folk to strong, commanding warriors in their own right, who no longer need Gandalf or Aragorn to help them put things right. I think it’s an important part of the book, and while I don’t blame PJ for taking it out of the movie, it’s still a shame. I know that’s what he was trying to do, and I didn’t need it. I understood all of that and it was \*extremely \* tacked-on. I’m with **Kyth**. ---
**Author:** ![BoringDad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@BoringDad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoringDad)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/86 "2005-09-10T17:27:29Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I know that’s what he was trying to do, and I didn’t need it. I understood all of that and it was \*extremely \* tacked-on. I’m with **Kyth**. Extermely tacked on? I saw it as almost the entire point of the story! LOTR was not intended as a light escapist good guys always win story. Frodo facing his fears in Lothlorien about the Shire in flames and needing him… but he still continues on for the greater good. And then finding his fears has come true, but working through the situation with his comrades the best he could? Powerful stuff for me. The movie ending took almost as much time to tell, and was just pointless fluff. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/87 "2005-09-10T17:28:46Z")
No, the point had already happened! We didn’t need it rammed home that these guys had grown up, I had already learned that. It was like a splash of icy cold water. ---
**Author:** ![BoringDad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@BoringDad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoringDad)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/88 "2005-09-10T17:29:48Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Don’t be so sure about that. I was a Judas Priest fan in the 80’s and pretty much all the other metal heads and Priest fans I knew already took it for granted that Halford was gay and didn’t care. Another 80’s Priest fan here. Yeah, the bigger shock was when he split from the band and put out cruddy movie as a solo act. ---
**Author:** ![RobuSensei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/919ad9/32.png) [@RobuSensei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobuSensei)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/89 "2005-09-10T17:45:55Z")
Here’s something that Peter David posted in his weblog (at [http://www.peterdavid.net](http://www.peterdavid.net)) a while back: > [@Peter David](#): > > Dude, at least YOU didn’t see “Batman and Robin” at a special private screening for DC staffers and guest. I’ll never forget the moment Batman whipped out the Bat Mastercard, and someone behind me screamed like a lost soul howling its agony from the pit of the damned. It was Denny O’Neil. What a blood-curdling sound THAT was. ---
**Author:** ![RobuSensei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/919ad9/32.png) [@RobuSensei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobuSensei)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/90 "2005-09-10T17:52:11Z")
…and for an interesting take on why that J.J. Abrams script for Superman sucked so badly, take a look at [this article](http://www.jimhillmedia.com/mb/articles/showarticle.php?ID=1479) from Jim Hill Media. The short version: Abrams wanted to demonstrate the fact that a lot of producer Jon Peters’ “suggestions” were rather stupid, so he knocked out a half-assed version of a Superman script in three hours, fully expecting that the studio would then direct him to remove Peters’ notes. Unfortunately, before he got the chance to do that, AICN and Moriarty got a hold of that script. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/91 "2005-09-10T18:19:16Z")
> [@Gangster Octopus](#): > > Metallica cutting their hair apperently caused a ton of consternation amongst the faithful. There was about as much consternation with the hair as their was with the black album (Metallica doing 3-4 minutes songs :eek: :mad: ). People got over it quickly. I was far more upset with the idea of them going through therapy. Metal bands shouldn’t do therapy. They whip whiskey bottles at each other to work out their differences. Why narrow things down with Star Wars to Greedo firing first. Sure. It looks bad to have Han Solo just sitting their grinning like a moron while a blaster shot explodes off of the wall an inch from his head, but let’s not forget Han Solo stepping on the ass of the most feared gangster in the galaxy and practically peeing himself at the thought of the Huttster in the next film. If you want outraged howls, you have to take the Star Wars additives as a whole. They offended fanboy and nonfanboy alike. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/92 "2005-09-10T18:35:24Z")
**STARBUCK IS A GIRL! STARBUCK IS A GIRL!** ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/93 "2005-09-10T18:45:04Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > What’s RIBFIR/RIRFIB? > > It’s been a while since I’ve paid much attention to the Transformers, with the exception of the movie. RIBFIR/RIRFIB = Rumble is Blue, Frenzy is Red/Rumble is Red, Frenzy is Blue. (Rumble and Frenzy were essentially identical as toys, except for the paint job. IIRC, at some point there was a series of repaints or something that switched the colors on them. But I haven’t really gotten into that debate, so others may have more accurate information.) ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/94 "2005-09-10T18:45:45Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > It’s a toss-up between: > Midichlorians, > and > Han shot first. The Midichlorians thing, while stupid, doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the “Greedo shot first” BS, partially because they mentioned it in Phantom Menace, which was a pretty bad movie anyway, so one can easily write the entire movie off. Greedo shot first, on the other hand, was just incredibly stupid on every level. Lucas, if you originally wanted Greedo to shoot first, WHY DIDN’T YOU FILM IT THAT WAY IN 1978? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/95 "2005-09-10T19:59:07Z")
I thought one of the first things I’d see in this thread was the reaction to the cancellation of **Firefly**. I mean, the fans were buying full page ads in Variety, for Pete’s sake. And they resurrected the show as a theatrical movie. That’s pretty impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/96 "2005-09-10T20:57:13Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Frell no. We cheered. Maybe you did but a lot of them are still crying. Read TrekBBS sometime… that board and a lot of its members are one of the main reasons I’m quickly becoming disenfranchised with the Trek universe. Whedon’s the other. All hail Joss. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/97 "2005-09-10T21:00:34Z")
I should look up words before I use them and \*disenfranchised \*should be _apathetic_. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/98 "2005-09-10T21:03:27Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I should look up words before I use them and \*disenfranchised \*should be _apathetic_. I think the word you were reaching for was “disenchanted.” ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/99 "2005-09-10T21:15:47Z")
> [@Dr. Rieux](#): > > Well, \*I \* liked it. I thought she sounded menacing, not flat. Same here. I never thought anyone didn’t like that line… Oh, and let me chime in to say that I was VERY dissapointed that the Scouring was… um… scoured from the final movie. I thought it was a very powerful scene and was essential. It shows how no where is safe from evil. If you don’t fight it head on, it’ll come and find you. As for Greedo shooting first, I’m a fanboy that just doesn’t CARE! So what? It makes no difference. Yes, you have people saying it changes Han’s character, but that’s bull, IMO. On a smaller level, there was a howl in the **Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy** movie for not including the joke about the babelfish and the proof of God (though I hear that is in the deleted scenes on the DVD). ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/100 "2005-09-10T21:16:58Z")
Originally, yes, but apathetic suits it well and I’m unlikely to confuse it with any other word so apathetic it is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810.md?page=6)