# What was the loudest fanboy howl of outrage? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 9, 2005, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810 "2005-09-09T13:49:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/101 "2005-09-10T21:31:09Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Maybe you did but a lot of them are still crying. Read TrekBBS sometime… that board and a lot of its members are one of the main reasons I’m quickly becoming disenfranchised with the Trek universe. > > Whedon’s the other. All hail Joss. Yeah, those guys are such losers. _wait a minute… irony?_ :dubious: Still, the way this Trekker saw it: sure, Kirk is the coolest, but Shatner was getting old. Time to move on, let the new team of Berman and Bragga get things going… Shoulda offed someone else, maybe… Losing _Firefly_ the way we did really horked me off. So that’s a good example of fanboy reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/102 "2005-09-10T21:41:40Z")
> [@Dr. Rieux](#): > > Well, \*I \* liked it. I thought she sounded menacing, not flat. C’mon - Shatner himself couldn’t have given that line a worse reading. ---
**Author:** ![BoringDad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@BoringDad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoringDad)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/103 "2005-09-10T21:50:15Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Still, the way this Trekker saw it: sure, Kirk is the coolest, but Shatner was getting old. Time to move on, let the new team of Berman and Bragga get things going… Let Berman and Braga get things going? This is a sick joke, right? Berman and Braga have been doing their level best to destroy Trek! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/104 "2005-09-10T21:52:23Z")
Didn’t realize you were a member there, **NCB**. Same username? I’ve not seen you around although, really, I’ve not been paying much attention to since the cancellation of _Enterprise_ and my growing boredom with _Deep Space Nine_ as I’ve not been a fan of _Voyager_ or _The Next Generation_ for years now and never did like _Star Trek_ except for its last five movies. _All Good Things…_ I guess. ---
**Author:** ![vl\_mungo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc8723/32.png) [@vl\_mungo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vl_mungo)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/105 "2005-09-10T21:53:18Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > If you tell me what this is a reference to I _promise_ to be outraged over it. [Here](http://www.shopping.com/xPR-What_A_Wonderful_World_Single_Kenny_G) is some info. Pat Metheny’s [rant](http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=807027) on the subject is particularly entertaining. I especially like his phrase, “spewing his lame-ass, jive, pseudo-bluesy, out-of-tune, noodling, wimped out, fucked up playing all over one of the great Louis’ tracks”. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/106 "2005-09-10T22:32:44Z")
> [@BoringDad](#): > > Let Berman and Braga get things going? This is a sick joke, right? Berman and Braga have been doing their level best to destroy Trek! Sick joke, yes. Plus a little bit of hindsight being 20/20. Berman was one of the guys who took things over when Gene went nutso with really stupid stuff, so we actually kind of liked him then. **Aes** , I haven’t logged on there since Season 2 of ENT, but I still popped in to read every now and again. Tho I haven’t even done that since early Spring this year when the question of continuing ENT was still slightly open. They are indeed a very different group from our vaunted Trek Dopers. I signed up as NoClueBoy, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/107 "2005-09-10T23:12:24Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Same here. I never thought anyone didn’t like that line… I never thought anyone _did_! 😉 She botched it. “The same thing that happens to everything else” isn’t supposed to be said with the same kind of gravity as “Do you know what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning.” Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/108 "2005-09-10T23:30:51Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > As for Greedo shooting first, I’m a fanboy that just doesn’t CARE! So what? It makes no difference. Yes, you have people saying it changes Han’s character, but that’s bull, IMO. Not only does it change Han’s character, but it’s totally implausible! How does a trained bounty hunter MISS someone from 2 feet away? The scene just reeked of contrivance. To slip in another **Firefly** reference, Mal would have shot first. Then he would have kicked the corpse into an engine or something. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/109 "2005-09-10T23:37:56Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I never thought anyone _did_! 😉 She botched it. “The same thing that happens to everything else” isn’t supposed to be said with the same kind of gravity as “Do you know what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning.” Oh well. The way she said it with that gravity totally got her message across–“Don’t mess with the storm goddess!” I cheered. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2005, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/110 "2005-09-11T00:34:20Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Originally, yes, but apathetic suits it well and I’m unlikely to confuse it with any other word so apathetic it is. You say that as if we should care. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/111 "2005-09-11T00:56:41Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Yeah, those guys are such losers Thanks… 😛 I thought Kirk in Generations was a bit much full stop. “The Undiscovered Country” was the ending us TOS fans needed to our series in so many ways. TOS cameos on TNG was one thing, major characters in a movie was another… ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2005, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/112 "2005-09-11T01:02:19Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Am I the only one who saw the movies and remembers that she didn’t accompany them on their quest? Don’t flatter yourself. 😃 Of course I remembered, both that she was barely a part of the story in the books, and din’t really accompany them in the movies. But I liked her better than the ultra-feminine elf Tolkien used. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2005, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/113 "2005-09-11T15:02:40Z")
> [@Dr. Rieux](#): > > The way she said it with that gravity totally got her message across–“Don’t mess with the storm goddess!” > I cheered. Obviously, D **Dr.** , you are welcome to that interpretation - it certainly makes it easier to stay within the movie. For me - and others who protested, including the man who wrote the line - the fact that she maintained a badass tone while giving the second half of the line came across as so lame. Simply because the line was silly (and intentionally so) - what happens to frogs struck by lightening - same as anything else? Hunh? I can the person who is expecting to be frightened by this going “what? THAT’s your big tough line?” It would be like Clint Eastwood saying something like “I can’t remember if I shot 5 times or 6 - so you gotta ask yourself punk: who’s buried in Grant’s tomb?” Clearly YMMV. Either way, it was a big deal when the movie came out and Joss had a lot of ‘splainin’ to do… ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/114 "2005-09-11T15:17:22Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > But I liked her better than the ultra-feminine elf Tolkien used. You leave Legolas out of this! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/115 "2005-09-11T15:35:18Z")
> [@Wolfian](#): > > You leave Legolas out of this! :mad: 😃 Actually I wasn’t talking about Legolas…wasn’t there some other elf that came to get them? Riding in on the horse? I am way too lazy to hunt down my copy, though. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/116 "2005-09-11T16:22:32Z")
> [@well he's back](#): > > Miller has some good points re the Peter Jackson LOTR movies. The Rankin/Bass and Bakshi cartoons were outrages all around. Where there’s a Whip There’s a Way, indeed. > I think the biggest Fanboy Outrage regarding LOTR came from 1) "No Elves at Helm’s Deep and/or 2) “What have they done to Faramir?” 3 What are you talking about? Faramir wasn’t even in the movies. Movie-Boromir had two brothers with one name. Like Larry and his brother Daryl and his other brother Daryl. ---
**Author:** ![Mac\_Guffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mac\_Guffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mac_Guffin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/117 "2005-09-11T20:43:44Z")
I cannot beleve no one has said this yet. Starship Troopers. The cry from Heinlein fans could be heard on mars. They took a good, if militaristic book and pissed all over it. Bastards. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2005, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/118 "2005-09-11T22:41:10Z")
> [@Mac Guffin](#): > > Starship Troopers. > > The cry from Heinlein fans could be heard on mars. They took a good, if militaristic book and pissed all over it. What do you mean? There is no Starship Troopers movie. There’s an okay, if a bit dry, Starship Troopers OVA series, but the plans for a movie fell through. \ Just like the planned Highlander sequel. Or the third Alien movie. (And, as long as I’m denying reality - no one’s found Antoine de St. Exupery’s plane, either. 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2005, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/119 "2005-09-11T23:24:10Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > 😃 Actually I wasn’t talking about Legolas…wasn’t there some other elf that came to get them? Riding in on the horse? I am way too lazy to hunt down my copy, though. Glorfindel? My copy’s about two feet away, but I’m too lazy to reach across… ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810/120 "2005-09-12T13:34:21Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Am I the only one who saw the movies and remembers that she didn’t accompany them on their quest? That’s the whole point of my post–there was enough of a fanboy howl of outrage that Jackson changed the script and wrote her back out of the fellowship. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-loudest-fanboy-howl-of-outrage/320810.md?page=7)