# What was the most powerful starship ever to appear in any of the Star Trek series?
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**Created:** [June 21, 2003, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350 "2003-06-21T03:28:36Z")
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### Author:  [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/1 "2003-06-21T03:28:36Z")
Just curious. Which star ship (of any species) was the most powerful in any of the TV series?
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### Author:  [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/2 "2003-06-21T03:40:04Z")
The _Fesarius_ from TOS’ _The Corbomite Manuever_.
Fer us Hoo Mahns: the 3 nacelled _Enterprise NCC-1701-D_, capable of Warp 13 (huh?) and just blasted through that Klingon ship like butter. TNG’s _All Good Things_
Just guesses, tho
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### Author:  [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/3 "2003-06-21T03:59:27Z")
How about the Reliant when it had the genesis device on it? I mean the thing created a whole planet out of a nebula!
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### Author:  [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/4 "2003-06-21T04:04:15Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Odinoneeye \*
> \*\*How about the Reliant when it had the genesis device on it? I mean the thing created a whole planet out of a nebula! \*\*
I guess I thinking more of conventional “power” in the sense of offensive and defensive capabilities re speed, weaponry, shields or just general bad assedness.
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### Author:  [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/5 "2003-06-21T04:22:50Z")
The Fesarius? 😕
Dude… the Doomsday Machine, the Whale Probe, and V’ger all would eat the Fesarius for breakfast. Speaking of which, TOS has waaay too many uberships.
Some of the more conventional ships would probably be : the Negh’var and Vor’cha class battlecruisers, the D’deridex and Valdore class Warbirds, the Defiant, Prometheus, and Sovereign class starships, the Borg tactical assault cube, and the Species 8472 bioships.
My favorite, of course, are the Warbirds. ROMULANS!
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### Author:  [@jimmmy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimmmy)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/6 "2003-06-21T11:54:08Z")
Species I’d say the Organians (hey hey he said organs) or Q.
Maybe Wesley and the Traveller. 🙂
Ships: I don’t know.
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### Author:  [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/7 "2003-06-21T12:11:44Z")
I was thinking Borg cube also.
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### Author:  [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/8 "2003-06-21T13:17:20Z")
I can’t say that there is necessarily a one-to-one correspondence between size and ‘power’, but the majority of ST, SW and a wide range of other spacecraft are [available for comparison here.](http://www.merzo.net/index.html)
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SF worldbuilding at
[http://www.orionsarm.com/main.html](http://www.orionsarm.com/main.html)
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### Author:  [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/9 "2003-06-21T13:22:37Z")
\<\\> aren’t _starships_ you Weezer loving numbnut. Those are robotic machines or probes.
Sheesh! :rolleyes:
Now, go do something useful!
🙂
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### Author:  [@Sock\_Munkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sock_Munkey)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/10 "2003-06-21T14:02:08Z")
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> \*Originally posted by jimmmy \*
> \*\*Species I’d say the Organians (hey hey he said organs) or Q.
> Maybe Wesley and the Traveller. 🙂
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> Ships: I don’t know. \*\*
Wesley and the Travelers, I loved their last album.
😃
I think the Defiant from DS9 has the best butt-kicking-per-pound ratio of all federation ships.
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### Author:  [@bsane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bsane)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/11 "2003-06-21T14:11:36Z")
I never watch much of anything other than NG, so excuse my lack of knowledge. My first thought was the borg cubes, but then I remembered an alien race from Voyager.
In a couple of episodes of Voyager there was a race of Aliens from another dimension whose ships destroyed cubes (and planets) like they were nothing… I can’t remember much about them or how they defeated them, but I do remember one ship destroying a dozen or cubes in a few seconds.
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### Author:  [@bernse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bernse)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/12 "2003-06-21T14:47:06Z")
The Reman _Cemitar_ (Sp?) from **Nemesis** was extremely powerful.
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### Author:  [@Sinungaling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinungaling)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/13 "2003-06-21T15:06:04Z")
What about when the Enterprise D had that cloaking device that let them go through solid matter? I’ll bet the Romulans crapped themselves when they saw the Enterprise coming out of that asteroid. Damn Federation wussies had to give up that technology.
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/14 "2003-06-21T15:28:21Z")
There was that time-ship commanded by Kurtwood Smith in the “year of hell” episodes of _Voyager_. Erase a whole civilization by pushing a few buttons? Sounds pretty cool to _me_.
Of course, that episode is also notable for cementing the concept of “Janeway’s Reset Button” which plagued the series over it’s entire run.
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### Author:  [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/15 "2003-06-21T15:48:08Z")
In Voyager they had the aliens who were descended from dinosaurs. A 65 million year old civilization, they had a super-warp drive that could cover in a few days the distance that took Voyager a year.
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### Author:  [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/16 "2003-06-21T16:13:39Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \*
> \*\*There was that time-ship commanded by Kurtwood Smith in the “year of hell” episodes of _Voyager_. Erase a whole civilization by pushing a few buttons? Sounds pretty cool to _me_.
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> Of course, that episode is also notable for cementing the concept of “Janeway’s Reset Button” which plagued the series over it’s entire run. \*\*
Thta was a pretty bad-ass ship. Too bad about that reset button, because it worked in that episode, and should never have been used again. ach series should get one reset button ep., yet they all have a few, and Voyager had a couple per season it seemed…
And species 8472 were pretty bad-ass as well. But _fluidic space_, whaqt the Hell does that even mean?
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### Author:  [@Sinungaling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinungaling)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/17 "2003-06-21T16:30:08Z")
Weren’t Species 8472 actually the white blood cells in an immense creature, and fluidic space was the innards of the beast?
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### Author:  [@Speaker\_for\_the\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Speaker_for_the_Dead)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/18 "2003-06-21T16:30:54Z")
Reset button?
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### Author:  [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/19 "2003-06-21T17:36:12Z")
Could we have some elaboration for the non-trekkies in the hizouse?
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### Author:  [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)
#### Post date: [June 21, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/20 "2003-06-21T17:45:22Z")
The Reset Button™ has become a cliche in Star Trek. In _The Year From Hell_ (Voyager), it was used well. An action not taken (or something like that) in an alternate timeline ended up “resetting” everything back to normal, as though that year never happened. Because it didn’t.
Good thing, too. Because that year saw the ship and crew getting further and further into trouble, even having several deaths, IIRC.
In that one episode, the RB™ was used well.
But, that concept got more and cliched when it got used over and over again in Voyager. Voyaer had so many time travel shows, I was sure the next spinoff would be _Time Trek_.
And, this plot cliche got incorporated into other Trek series, too. One of _Enterpise_’s biggest drawbacks.
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The dinosaur ship was cool. I had forgotten about it.
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