# What was the most powerful starship ever to appear in any of the Star Trek series? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 21, 2003, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350 "2003-06-21T03:28:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/21 "2003-06-21T17:52:11Z")
_Year Of Hell_ [Pat I](http://www.startrek.com/library/voy_episodes/episodes_voy_detail_71431.asp) [Part II](http://www.startrek.com/library/voy_episodes/episodes_voy_detail_71433.asp) As I re-review these eps, I see it was an action _taken_, not _not taken_. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/22 "2003-06-21T18:10:52Z")
Species 8472 was in [Scorpian, Part I](http://www.startrek.com/library/voy_episodes/episodes_voy_detail_69018.asp) and [Part II.](http://www.startrek.com/library/voy_episodes/episodes_voy_detail_69024.asp) This ep is where 7 of 9 is introduced. Fluidic space was never adequately explained… * * * Dinoguys were in [Distant Origin.](http://www.startrek.com/library/voy_episodes/episodes_voy_detail_69006.asp) ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/23 "2003-06-21T18:48:06Z")
Sorry to glut your thread with posts, but I just realized that TOS’ _City On The Edge Of Forever_ may be the first Trek use of the Reset Button™ And Voy did it in the 4th ep of their very first season, [Time And Again.](http://www.startrek.com/library/voy_episodes/episodes_voy_detail_68826.asp) maybe I’ll go back in time, just a little, and “reset” this thread… ---
**Author:** ![Catalyst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@Catalyst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catalyst)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/24 "2003-06-21T18:49:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bernse \* > \*\*The Reman _Cemitar_ (Sp?) from **Nemesis** was extremely powerful. \*\* I think it was _Scimitar_, and yeah, it was quite badass. I wish they’d shown some clearer shots of it. Was it supposed to be a unique craft or were there more of them out there? ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/25 "2003-06-21T19:27:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Catalyst \* > \*\*I think it was _Scimitar_, and yeah, it was quite badass. I wish they’d shown some clearer shots of it. Was it supposed to be a unique craft or were there more of them out there? \*\* I think the _Scimitar_ was unique… built specifically for the purpose of attacking Earth directly. And I loved “Year of Hell”… probably the most all-out exciting _Voyager_ episodes ever, and the Reset Button ™ actually made sense in that one. Not only that, but the _way_ it was done just kicked ass. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2003, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/26 "2003-06-21T23:00:17Z")
Nobody’s mentioned the future version of Voyager? From the finale? You know, the magic ship with Batmobile armor and torpedoes that destroy Borg cubes in one shot… Oh wait… doesn’t count? Another badly used time travel premise? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/27 "2003-06-22T02:07:52Z")
What about Tin Man/Gantu? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/28 "2003-06-22T03:18:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > \*\*\<\\> aren’t _starships_ you Weezer loving numbnut. Those are robotic machines or probes. > > Sheesh! :rolleyes: > > Now, go do something useful! > > 🙂 \*\* They’re _ships_ and they travel amongst the _stars_. They count. 😛 By the way, the Scimitar in _Nemesis_ was likely a one time ship, much like the bird of prey in _The Undiscovered Country_ and the Son’a ships in _Insurrection_. I’m happy that way, too… that ship was ugly. ---
**Author:** ![urban1a](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e47c2d/32.png) [@urban1a](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/urban1a)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/29 "2003-06-22T03:35:09Z")
In the animated series, there was a ship which could travel well in excess of the Enterprise’s speed. Warp 20 or 40 IIRC. I don’t know about armaments, though, and I don’t remember the name of the ep or the ship. I have the series but haven’t watched it for a long time. Bob ---
**Author:** ![Vlad\_Dracul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/50afbb/32.png) [@Vlad\_Dracul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vlad_Dracul)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/30 "2003-06-22T07:10:57Z")
Urban1z… I suspect you’re thinking of “The Counter-Clock Incident”, which had an alien scout ship (from a reverse universe!) that could do at least warp 36. I think it also destroyed a star, to open a gateway back to the normal universe. Yes… sadly, I knew that without consulting any reference materials… and I’m spouting Trek trivia on a Saturday night. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/31 "2003-06-22T09:23:54Z")
My vote is for the standard Shuttle. It could crash-land on a planet fifty times in one day, but it was ALWAYS back up and running in perfect order by the next episode. Damn things were invincible! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/32 "2003-06-22T20:19:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Speaker for the Dead \* > \*\*Reset button? \*\* **NoClueBoy** covered it pretty well, but to expand on it, the “Reset Button” plot device was in play whenever something really major or permanent happened, i.e. the death of a major character. Typically, the episode also contains a time machine, space-time continuum framistat or a Q member, or some other deus ex machina device that can “undo” all the action in the episode and restore everything to normal. Sometimes it’s done reasonably well, but _Voyager_ was notable for doing it way too often. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/33 "2003-06-22T20:57:12Z")
Tin Man seemed pretty uberpowerful, what with his ability to knock Galaxy class starships light years through space and vaporize others at a whim. ---
**Author:** ![detop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@detop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/detop)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2003, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/34 "2003-06-22T21:42:35Z")
I would say the [Klingon B10 battleship](http://www.strategyplanet.com/sfc/images/ships/ksb10.jpg) would be a contender for TOS ---
**Author:** ![Sock\_Munkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Sock\_Munkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sock_Munkey)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/35 "2003-06-23T01:29:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\*They’re _ships_ and they travel amongst the _stars_. They count. 😛 > > By the way, the Scimitar in _Nemesis_ was likely a one time ship, much like the bird of prey in _The Undiscovered Country_ and the Son’a ships in _Insurrection_. > > I’m happy that way, too… that ship was ugly. \*\* It’s not a ship unless it has a crew of some kind. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/36 "2003-06-23T01:32:05Z")
So a derelict vessel isn’t a ship? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/37 "2003-06-23T01:43:00Z")
V’ger was the crew and the passenger. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/38 "2003-06-23T08:04:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\*So a derelict vessel isn’t a ship? :dubious: \*\* It is not a ship unless it is designed to carry a crew. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/39 "2003-06-23T08:06:16Z")
V’ger accomodated Decker and Ilia and we never saw the interiors of the other vessels. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-most-powerful-starship-ever-to-appear-in-any-of-the-star-trek-series/183350/40 "2003-06-23T08:23:36Z")
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