# What was the real problem with "Star Trek Voyager"? Acting or writing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 5, 2011, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380 "2011-06-05T07:44:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/141 "2011-06-17T18:19:46Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > I do agree with you on Torres - she was a hot-headed bitch at first. > > As for Vulcans, we were lead to believe Vulcans are greenish, and have copper for blood instead of iron. Sure, we only saw a handful, and so projecting a planet’s population from a tiny fraction is iffy. But that’'s a trope in SF. How many aliens are presented as monolithic cultures, typically modeled on one slice of human history? Also note that we saw a handful of Romulans as well, and were told they were Vulcan offshoots, and all of them were pale/greenish too. Even in Next Gen, every single Romulan or Vulcan shown were pale/grayish. And then comes Tuvok. > > Of course the flipside of that is Klingons. In TOS, the Klingons all had dark, swarthy features. Then comes Next Gen and Worf. But somewhere in Next Gen, we run into some other Klingons (put in the brig), and they are actually caucasian. But they’re about the only ones, as from then on most Klingons are dark skinned again. > > I personally think they were just trying to do something different than the characters before. We’d had a vulcan before, so how to make this one different? Black. We’d had Captains before, so let’s make this one female. We’ve done Klingons, but what about a Klingon female that is really intelligent? We need a goofy alien - well what could be goofier than Neelix? But someone else can project an agenda upon it. You say _hot-headed bitch_ like it’s a bad thing. Torres (apart from being half-human) was not the first Klingon female shown to be technically minded; Kang’s wife (Tara? Something like that) was a science officer. Admittedly it’s hard to imagine Torres needing to be rescued from Pavel Chekov. It’s much easier to imagine her relieving him of the burden of his testicles. I don’t think doing something different with the characters is a bad thing. Why _must_ all Vulcans have the same complexion as Spock? Why \*should \*all captains be male? (The latter is espeically egregious.) Also, I tend to think that the Planet of Hats things stems largely from viewers & readers extrapolating incorrectly. We tend to assign traits to a new thing or people based on the first examples we see. An alien whose first encounter with humans was Kirk & crew might think that all humans eschew marriage and take their workmates as ther family, when in fact that was a peculiarity of those six or or seven persons. An alien who first met the Enterprise-D crew might think humans are all terribly motivated and technically-minded, when in fact there’s reason to think many 24th-century Earthers are lotus-eaters. And so on. > [@Odesio](#): > > If you have to wait four or five seasons for episodes of a television show to claw its way up to “adequate” then it’s a bad show. I didn’t watch the entire seven year run (I moved out of the house and no longer had the roommates who enjoyed the program) but out of the 4+ seasons I watched there were only a handful of decent episodes. The only episode of Voyager I thought was good was “Think Tank.” I watched a good number of episodes, as my then-girlfriend loved it. (That was the second most compelling evidence of her bad judgment, number one of course being her poor taste in men.) There were actually a good number of watchable episodes; unfortunately they were randomly distributed among the dreck. At least TNG had the common courtesy to largely concentrate their stupid episodes in the first and last seasons. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/142 "2011-06-17T18:24:56Z")
[QUOTE=Irishman] Of course the flipside of that is Klingons. In TOS, the Klingons all had dark, swarthy features. Then comes Next Gen and Worf. But somewhere in Next Gen, we run into some other Klingons (put in the brig), and they are actually caucasian. But they’re about the only ones, as from then on most Klingons are dark skinned again. [/QUOTE] Star Trek III (1984) featured some pale skinned Klingons: Christopher Lloyd, for example, and he is not the only one. Star Trek VI (1991) featured some more: Christopher Plummer, David Warner. None of these characters appeared to have their skins tones darkened for their roles, but I may have bad eyes. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/143 "2011-06-17T19:21:09Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I don’t think doing something different with the characters is a bad thing. Why _must_ all Vulcans have the same complexion as Spock? Why \*should \*all captains be male? (The latter is espeically egregious.) The latter? Two words: Turnabout Intruder. “Your world of starship captains doesn’t admit women.” Of course she was a deranged murderous psychopath with a vendetta against starship captains and a desire to excuse her own failure to qualify for starship captaincy, but even so. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/144 "2011-06-17T19:28:38Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > The latter? Two words: Turnabout Intruder. > > “Your world of starship captains doesn’t admit women.” Of course she was a deranged murderous psychopath with a vendetta against starship captains and a desire to excuse her own failure to qualify for starship captaincy, but even so. That was nearly a century before TNG, DS9, & Voyager. I’ll grant that there were no female captains in when Kirk was in his 30s, but a hundred years later things had progressed. We met at least two female captains (one a JAG officer, admittedly, but one a field commander) in TNG, and a female admiral or two as well. Somebody, maybe David Gerrold, wrote that science fiction settings, regardless of the ostensible in-story date, were always about the era in which they were set. Kirk was really a 60s man; Picard was a late 80s/early 90s man. It was past time for a female (and non-white) captain. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/145 "2011-06-17T19:33:30Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Why \*should \*all captains be male? (The latter is espeically egregious.) [Picard Voice]Preposterous! Women are only suited to being doctors and ships counselors![/Picard Voice] [Kirk Voice]Well..said…Captain. Women have…no business…in space…other than to…provide…sexual..in..u..en..do![/Kirk Voice] ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/146 "2011-06-17T19:58:05Z")
Quoth **Skald** : > [@](#): > > (That was the second most compelling evidence of her bad judgment, number one of course being her poor taste in men.) That sounds almost Marxian. Did Groucho ever use that line (I know he had the one about not joining any club that would have him as a member)? Quoth **blindboyard** : > [@](#): > > “Your world of starship captains doesn’t admit women.” Of course she was a deranged murderous psychopath with a vendetta against starship captains and a desire to excuse her own failure to qualify for starship captaincy, but even so. Or it could have been that there were female starship captains, in approximately the same proportion as among applicants for the position, and she was just using that as an excuse. I remember an “activist” who visited my school in 7th or 8th grade, who insisted that it was OK for there to be a “Miss Black America” pageant, because the regular Miss America pageant excluded blacks-- This at a time when the current Miss America was, herself, black. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/147 "2011-06-17T19:59:21Z")
Okay, allow me to qualify my statement since it was apparently objectionable. I didn’t say it was a bad or improper thing to have a female captain, a black Vulcan, etc. All I was saying was they were basically touting the banner of, “Hey, look at how progressive we are!” I agree that white men should have such an overwhelming majority on the cast, but Voyager to the other end of the spectrum to the extreme. The only crewman that was missing was the post-op transgendered Ferengi. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/148 "2011-06-17T20:11:04Z")
[QUOTE=Agent Foxtrot] The only crewman that was missing was the post-op transgendered Ferengi. [/QUOTE] That was Neelix. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/149 "2011-06-17T20:13:12Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **Skald** :That sounds almost Marxian. Did Groucho ever use that line (I know he had the one about not joining any club that would have him as a member)? I’m not aware of Marx ever using that line. I used to carry him around in my pocket to feed me material but he complained that it was too dark to read in there. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/150 "2011-06-17T20:14:47Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > Okay, allow me to qualify my statement since it was apparently objectionable. > > I didn’t say it was a bad or improper thing to have a female captain, a black Vulcan, etc. All I was saying was they were basically touting the banner of, “Hey, look at how progressive we are!” I agree that white men should have such an overwhelming majority on the cast, but Voyager to the other end of the spectrum to the extreme. The only crewman that was missing was the post-op transgendered Ferengi. I’m going to assume you wrote “white men should” but meant _white men shouldn’t_. If that’s the case, how else would you have them give non-whites & non-males a greater role on screen other than, you know, casting them? ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/151 "2011-06-17T20:25:14Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > You say _hot-headed bitch_ like it’s a bad thing. Knowing one of those, I like a little more sanity in my personal interrelations. > [@](#): > > Torres (apart from being half-human) was not the first Klingon female shown to be technically minded; Kang’s wife (Tara? Something like that) was a science officer. Admittedly it’s hard to imagine Torres needing to be rescued from Pavel Chekov. It’s much easier to imagine her relieving him of the burden of his testicles. 😃 My point is that Klingons were played up for their “Warrior mentality”. So it was an interesting twist to make the _engineer_ Klingon, as opposed to the Security Officer, Tactical Officer, etc. And a female Klingon as a major character. > [@](#): > > I don’t think doing something different with the characters is a bad thing. I didn’t say it was. My point is that I think the producers had a different motivation than pure “let’s be as PC as we can”. They were trying to be _different_. The “liberal agenda” is a projection. Or a means to an end. Or something. > [@](#): > > Also, I tend to think that the Planet of Hats things stems largely from viewers & readers extrapolating incorrectly. So you think Klingon culture is not monolithic, and there’s a separate society on Klingon planets that are pacifists? That there is a state/colony that thinks that assassination is a lousy way to foster better leaders? That there are Andorreans that aren’t blue? Sci Fi is rife with “The Planet of the Hats”. Like the Planet of 1920s Gangsters. Sure, there is some incorrect extrapolation going on, but I don’t think it is solely in the laps of readers and viewers. > [@mlees](#): > > Star Trek III (1984) featured some pale skinned Klingons: Christopher Lloyd, for example, and he is not the only one. > > Star Trek VI (1991) featured some more: Christopher Plummer, David Warner. > > None of these characters appeared to have their skins tones darkened for their roles, but I may have bad eyes. I totally forgot the movie versions. Star Trek VI was odd because it fell in the time period where Next Gen was doing “Klingons are black”. I mean, we had an episode of DS9 where Kang, Kor, and Koloth come to see Dax, and they all had Worf’s skin tone. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > It was past time for a female (and non-white) captain. But that just supports the “liberal agenda” argument. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/152 "2011-06-17T20:26:24Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > That was Neelix. Touché. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I’m going to assume you wrote “white men should” but meant _white men shouldn’t_. If that’s the case, how else would you have them give non-whites & non-males a greater role on screen other than, you know, casting them? :smack: White men should **n’t**. Wow, do I sound like the closet racist now or what? :o Hell, I dunno, **Skald**. You’re right. I was just saying my initial impression of the show was that the writers were pushing the PC envelope over the line, that’s all. I personally don’t care if the cast is more racially and sexually diverse than the audience of a Prince concert – I think it’s a good thing that we are moving away from the white male paradigm. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/153 "2011-06-17T20:28:25Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > Touché. > > :smack: White men should **n’t**. Wow, do I sound like the closet racist now or what? :o No, you sound like someone who made a typo. I’ve made more than my fair share, so I won’t criticize you for an honest one. And if I decide to call you a racist I won’t do it by implication; I’ll say it flat out. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/154 "2011-06-17T20:53:15Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > No, you sound like someone who made a typo. I’ve made more than my fair share, so I won’t criticize you for an honest one. And if I decide to call you a racist I won’t do it by implication; I’ll say it flat out. Nagger, please. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![robert\_columbia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@robert\_columbia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robert_columbia)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/155 "2011-06-17T21:22:18Z")
I, also, started watching it fairly regularly and then dropped off. The “alone in the other corner of the galaxy” thing wasn’t played to the extent I think it could. Sure, they introduced new species that the Federation supposedly had not encountered before (and also put them closer to at least one that they HAD, but would rather not have), and there was plenty of “the ship is alone and has to defend itself with what it has!” stuff, but then the old series had that in the sense that the Enterprise and Enterprise-D would be alone most of the time, with massed space battles with fleets of starships on both sides happening rarely. Thinking back, it might have been more interesting if they had taken the “alone” aspect to a more extreme level (which, by common sense, makes more sense), with the Voyager crew scrounging for raw materials, operating a manufacturing facility on-board (or finding more efficient ways to power the replicator), and scrounging wreckage and alien markets for technology to repair and enhance what they had. E.g. once enough of Voyager’s Federation-issue phasers are lost, damaged, or destroyed on away missions or defending the ship from boarding parties, they would have to find, buy, or steal local weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/156 "2011-06-17T21:34:17Z")
> [@robert\_columbia](#): > > Thinking back, it might have been more interesting if they had taken the “alone” aspect to a more extreme level (which, by common sense, makes more sense), with the Voyager crew scrounging for raw materials, operating a manufacturing facility on-board (or finding more efficient ways to power the replicator), and scrounging wreckage and alien markets for technology to repair and enhance what they had. They did do this - just not very often…and usually trading Fed-tech for it, so it got to be a stretch after a while. They should, really, have become regular traders. Get X from the Talaxians, sell what they don’t need to the Kazon for Y and Z, sell Z to the Hirojen for more X, and so on… There should have been a LOT more attrition on most of their significant resources - personnel\*, shuttles, hull plating, etc. - It would have been interesting to have more Delta Quadrant-born crew in the late seasons, due to them taking on those with an exploratory bent, or in exile, or on the run from the law, etc, to replace the Alpha/Beta Quadrant-born crewmen lost. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/157 "2011-06-17T21:40:59Z")
[QUOTE=robert\_columbia] Thinking back, it might have been more interesting if they had taken the “alone” aspect to a more extreme level (which, by common sense, makes more sense), with the Voyager crew scrounging for raw materials, operating a manufacturing facility on-board (or finding more efficient ways to power the replicator), and scrounging wreckage and alien markets for technology to repair and enhance what they had. E.g. once enough of Voyager’s Federation-issue phasers are lost, damaged, or destroyed on away missions or defending the ship from boarding parties, they would have to find, buy, or steal local weapons. [/QUOTE] Even then, I get the impression that crummy episodes would still happen. Chekotay: Captain, are main phaser array is permanently out of action. The fraternizer valve finally gave out, and [as if she didn’t know] we can’t manufacture any of those ourselves. Janeway: Damn! Paris: Captain! I’m picking something up on long range scans… it look’s like a Borg scout! Janeway: Red Alert! Tuvok: Captain, scanners of that Borg scout show power levels absurdely low. Chakotay: Captain, it could be a trap! Janeway: Yes, it could be. But we need spare parts. Assemble an away team, and beam over there. Oh… be carefull. \< a few tense minutes pass with the away team jumping at their own shadows \> Chakotay: Captain! We’re back, and we did it! They had an intact disruptor array, and a case of microwave popcorn! And by our good luck, the array is 17.8 percent more powerfull than our old phasers ever were! Janeway: Good. Take the array to Bellonna, and beam the popcorn directly to my ready room. Paris: Captain! A Borg Cube is approaching at high warp! Janeway: Red Alert! \< notices that they never stood down from red alert \> uh… Tom… get us out of here. Evasive manuever Lima Alpha Zulu Yankee. Paris: Aye, Captain. LAZY it is. Captain! It seems we lost them! Janeway: Very good. Stand down from red alert. I’ll be in my ready room. I hope it’s “Butter Lovers”. * * * This takes about 47 minutes though, to make room for commercials. ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/158 "2011-06-17T22:31:16Z")
> [@Agent\_Foxtrot](#): > > For me, Voyager lost much of its appeal on the first episode. They tried to push the liberal agenda a little too much by having the never-before-seen black Vulcan, the stereotypically wise Native American, the toned-down-and-approachable female Klingon, and to top it all off, the tough-but-motherly woman in charge. I’m all for fair representation of races and genders on TV, but Voyager seemed like they were overplaying the social tolerance card. > > The writing was bad. The show was full of potential for new races, new technologies, and new moral conundrums (conundra?). Instead, the new races were annoying, the new technologies sparse, and Janeway’s decisions to the moral conundrums just made me scratch my head (“Seriously, Captain, screw the Prime Directive. You’ve had multiple opportunities to get us home to our families.”). > > Damage and wear-and-tear to the ship should’ve accumulated as the seasons wore on. By the fifth season, everything from isolinear memory chips to the warp core should have been held together with duct tape and a prayer. The day-to-day frustrations of receiving burned, disgusting, and incorrect food items from the replicator and a slower, worn-down computer would’ve made for great writing. > > The poor writing couldn’t even be compensated for with good acting, which was stiff and wooden. No one had any fun with their roles. And, as mentioned earlier in this thread, none of the actors had any chemistry. Early on in the shows course, you could tell the actors just going through the motions to get a paycheck. > > It’s too bad. They could’ve done so much more with it. Actually there was a black Vulcan before Tuvok. He appeared on TNG in the episode “Starship Mine” played by Tim Russ of all people. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/159 "2011-06-17T22:44:39Z")
Russ’s character in that episode wasn’t Vulcan. He’s of an indeterminate, but superficially totally human, species. (His name is Devor, which is the only reason I’m not going to come out and say he was human. [But he’s got round ears](http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Devor).) (Not an argument against non-pale Vulcans…just nerdy nitpicking - given the planet’s environment the fact that they the majority have such pale skin is kind of weird.) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380/160 "2011-06-18T02:35:28Z")
Well, maybe Vulcan ear shape shows racial variations, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-real-problem-with-star-trek-voyager-acting-or-writing/584380.md?page=9)