# What was the worst you expected from a Hillary Presidency? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 28, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540 "2017-09-28T20:20:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/21 "2017-09-29T01:07:20Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > More pay for play regarding the Clinton Foundation and access to Hillary. > > The lingering suspicion Bill is using powers he no longer holds. It would be very difficult for a former President to only observe. > > Serious attacks on gun rights. Attacks on law enforcement. (AG Sessions has already reduced the Civil Rights law suits against police depts). Hillary would have ramped them up. > [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/ag-sessions-says-trump-administration-pull-back-police-department-civil-n726826](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/ag-sessions-says-trump-administration-pull-back-police-department-civil-n726826) > > The most terrifying… > Hillary’s pledge to fling open the doors to ten thousand refugee’s. In spite of all the terror attacks in France & England. As opposed to Trump’s Foundation and profiteering on his weekend trips. You mean like the gun bans Obama overturned? Just how did expect Clinton to overturn the 2nd Amendment? The gun industry is suffering from a drop in sales. As far as lawsuits, you like poorly trained and incompetent police? Or racists police? You like police depts. to be unaccountable? Can you name any attacks in this county by refugees? Are you aware of the 100s of 1000s already in the country? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/22 "2017-09-29T01:33:00Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The worst I expected from a Hillary presidency is that it would have dealt a very serious blow against feminism. It sends the message to girls that you, too, can be whatever you want, provided you marry the right man. I’d much rather see the first female President be someone who got there all on her own. > > As far as political policy goes, probably the worst would have been a full-out, boots-on-the-ground mass-deployment war with Syria, or _maybe_ North Korea (though if the latter had happened, it probably would have been due to factors outside of the President’s control-- There’s a baseline chance of a Kim doing something so irrational and insane, for no discernible reason, that it made war unavoidable) You said it better than I could, on both accounts. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/23 "2017-09-29T03:25:02Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > As opposed to Trump’s Foundation and profiteering on his weekend trips. > > You mean like the gun bans Obama overturned? Just how did expect Clinton to overturn the 2nd Amendment? > The gun industry is suffering from a drop in sales. > > As far as lawsuits, you like poorly trained and incompetent police? Or racists police? You like police depts. to be unaccountable? > > Can you name any attacks in this county by refugees? Are you aware of the 100s of 1000s already in the country? I responded to what I expected from a Hillary administration. It’s outside the scope of this thread whether her stated policies are good or bad. These issues have been debated for many years. She’s always had a perception problem. There’s a coldness and harshness that rubs people the wrong way. Just one example. Most people agree we need a more professional police force that uses force as a last resort. I would expect Hillary to take a more punitive approach with Civil Rights Lawsuits and prosecution of officers. Instead of focusing on better funding, better training, community outreach, and equipment. Again, it’s all a matter of perception. No one knows for sure what she might of done. I totally agree the two candidates in 2016 we’re the worst I’ve ever seen. It was the first election where I couldn’t stomach either candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/24 "2017-09-29T03:38:20Z")
Honestly, more Republican Obstructionism. They were all prepared for it and caught off-guard with Trump winning. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/25 "2017-09-29T04:09:54Z")
What we have now but with different subjects; a slightly different track. Other than that I think the differences would be negligible. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/26 "2017-09-29T04:54:36Z")
Dankness. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/27 "2017-09-29T04:58:28Z")
> [@Dickerman](#): > > Three new Supreme Court justices. No Fucking Shit There, Man! ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/28 "2017-09-29T06:52:22Z")
Bill Clinton’s house keeping…the white house woulda been trashed. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/29 "2017-09-29T09:04:59Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Serious attacks on gun rights. By what means?? Seriously, I wondered the same thing when Obama became President. Was he supposed to activate a giant magnet that would have pulled all the guns out of every house in America? Or maybe Hillary would have a thousand-tentacled robot with claws that would literally grab the guns from every house as it rolled down the streets. (“See, she really IS a ‘gun grabber’!”) No really, educate me. Was there an avenue by which you expected these attacks to happen, or was it just a free-floating fear? > [@aceplace57](#): > > Just one example. Most people agree we need a more professional police force that uses force as a last resort. I would expect Hillary to take a more punitive approach with Civil Rights Lawsuits and prosecution of officers. Instead of focusing on better funding, better training, community outreach, and equipment. You’re actually on target here in a perverse way, because if any part of Congress remained in GOP hands, funding for all the good stuff would have been out of the question. So prosecution of ‘bad apples’ would have been her only available tool. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/30 "2017-09-29T11:56:30Z")
Um. I didn’t really expect a war as such. Not like some people had convinced themselves. I thought there might be some ill-advised foreign interventions, like every US administration in my lifetime has had, but not a major war by USA standards. I think there was a sort of wishful thinking that by voting against Hillary they were voting against nuclear war, but that was a silly rationalization. Folks just hated her that much. My concern was that Republicans running for office would find it easy to run, not against their own opponents, but against her, using the quarter-century of mud and stuff piled up on her and Bill’s reputations; while Democrats would once again have the Clintons in office pretending foolishly that they, the Clintons, were really the moderate center, and not with us progressive nerds. Basically a Democratic Party that would keep losing ground even as the ostensible leader utterly fails to engage with the left, having taken us for granted. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/31 "2017-09-29T12:04:21Z")
Left-wingers for the Supreme Court. And use of the IRS and Justice Department to go after her enemies, real and perceived. Leaked videos of her losing her shit and screaming at the hired help. A steady drip of scandals, cover-ups, more scandals, denial, and an approval rating in the twenties. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/32 "2017-09-29T12:46:25Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > A steady drip of scandals, cover-ups, more scandals, denia This, pretty much - plus bitter feuds with Republican Congressional leaders yelling for independent investigations of real and imagined scandal, countered by accusations of sexism and right-wing conspiracies, ultimately winding up with calls for impeachment. And saber-rattling. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/33 "2017-09-29T13:03:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > As opposed to Trump’s Foundation and profiteering on his weekend trips. > > You mean like the gun bans Obama overturned? Just how did expect Clinton to overturn the 2nd Amendment? > The gun industry is suffering from a drop in sales. > > As far as lawsuits, you like poorly trained and incompetent police? Or racists police? You like police depts. to be unaccountable? > > Can you name any attacks in this county by refugees? Are you aware of the 100s of 1000s already in the country? To be fair, the OP only asked what respondents were afraid of, not whether those fears were reality-based. I expected a continuation of Obama’s tone, solid and capable management of the government with gentle but constant pushes in the right direction socially and internationally, a continued stable and growing economy, but constantly beset with silly accusations and investigations of essentially nothing that would nevertheless be used by the haters to rationalize their hatred. I would have expected overcaution from her initially, instead of Obama’s initial naivete about the nature of today’s Republican party in Congress, but with similar results. Generally, just replace racism with sexism and it would be about the same. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/34 "2017-09-29T13:06:50Z")
By “war”, I did mean of the “ill-advised foreign interventions” type of “war” which Foolsguinea defined, not Gulf War 3, more like Somalia. Follow up question: Is your vision of the worst of a Hillary Presidency better or worse than the reality we have today? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/35 "2017-09-29T13:07:18Z")
> [@kopek](#): > > What we have now but with different subjects; a slightly different track. Other than that I think the differences would be negligible. Seriously?? “Differences would be negligible”? Tweet-rants @ 3 AM? Contradictory statements, often within the same paragraph? Calling world leaders by playground-type names? Boldly and blatantly insulting friend and foe alike? Failing to fill hundreds of positions appointed by the President? Faillng to respond promptly with messages of comfort to victims of disaster and tragedy? Taking off for golfing weekends at the drop of a MAGA hat? Being a [del]daily[/del] hourly embarrassment in front of the entire world? I could go on and on. Get real. However, a Hillary presidency would certainly have been doomed because it would have been 4 more years of McConnell obstructionism. The best thing Trump has inadvertently done is to bring McConnell down. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/36 "2017-09-29T13:41:44Z")
Accusations of dressing boringly, then the occasional scandal when she attends a party in OMG a dress! And you can see she has boobies! Only, you know, in English rather than German. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/37 "2017-09-29T14:05:53Z")
Less outright pandering to racists and dick waving with North Korea, but not a lot different from the Trump presidency so far. Different style, same substance. Ultimately, more of the same 21st Century Bush/Obama foreign policy and rule by executive order while Congress wastes time vacationing and campaigning to do more of absolutely nothing in the Capitol. So, very little of lasting importance. And I voted for her. She would have re-nominated Merrick Garland and vetoed any Obamacare repeal though. No DREAM repeal or Muslim ban either. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/38 "2017-09-29T14:12:29Z")
Non-stop congressional investigations of nearly every government department. Likely impeachment (but obviously no conviction). Utter gridlock. Constant fights over the debt limit and several government shutdowns. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/39 "2017-09-29T14:48:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Left-wingers for the Supreme Court. And use of the IRS and Justice Department to go after her enemies, real and perceived. Leaked videos of her losing her shit and screaming at the hired help. A steady drip of scandals, cover-ups, more scandals, denial, and an approval rating in the twenties. Right-wingers for the Supreme Court. And use of Twitter to go after his enemies, real and perceived. Leaked videos of him losing his shit and screaming at the Cabinet and White House staff. A steady drip of scandals, cover-ups, more scandals, denial, and an approval rating in the twenties. Didn’t have to change too many words for Trump. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/40 "2017-09-29T15:30:48Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Seriously?? “Differences would be negligible”? > > Tweet-rants @ 3 AM? Contradictory statements, often within the same paragraph? Calling world leaders by playground-type names? Boldly and blatantly insulting friend and foe alike? Failing to fill hundreds of positions appointed by the President? Faillng to respond promptly with messages of comfort to victims of disaster and tragedy? Taking off for golfing weekends at the drop of a MAGA hat? Being a [del]daily[/del] hourly embarrassment in front of the entire world? I could go on and on. Substitute emails for Tweets and ----------- yeah; pretty much. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540.md?page=3)