# What was the worst you expected from a Hillary Presidency? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 28, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540 "2017-09-28T20:20:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/41 "2017-09-29T16:01:21Z")
> [@kopek](#): > > Substitute emails for Tweets and ----------- yeah; pretty much. 😛 Now you’re just being silly. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/42 "2017-09-29T16:15:31Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > World War Three. She’s a hawk. Yeah, that was my fear, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/43 "2017-09-29T16:37:37Z")
I expected a lot of unethical/borderline illegal activity. Kind of like the pay-for-influence she carried on with the State Department … it’s legal as long as you pay my foundation and every elected official does it so _wink wink nudge nudge_. I also expected a lot of unethical practices that would never be known. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/44 "2017-09-29T17:08:58Z")
I find these responses interesting. I’d also like to know who the respondents voted for. Some responses make it obvious, but others don’t. I voted for her, and I had two concerns. The first is gridlock and increased partisanship. The second is her hawkish tendencies getting the US more involved somewhere, probably Syria. The economy, civil rights, rampant corruption, WWIII, creeping authoritarianism, forfeiting our scientific future, environmental degradation, SCOTUS appointments? Not concerned at all. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/45 "2017-09-29T17:33:56Z")
I can’t even imagine how batshit crazy the Bernie Bots would have gone once it was announced that Jane Sanders was under federal investigation. I would have needed to stay off of social media to avoid all the insane conspiracy theories. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/46 "2017-09-29T18:03:02Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > World War Three. She’s a hawk. > [@gytalf2000](#): > > Yeah, that was my fear, as well. No chance of that happening under Der Trumpster. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/47 "2017-09-29T18:26:59Z")
(1) Definitely higher intervention abroad. Trump is the complete opposite of speak softly and carry a big stick. He talks loudly but hasn’t intervened that much abroad. Clinton would have intervened much more in Syria and been more forceful in confronting Russia. (2) Continued unpopularity of Obamacare. I never thought the Republicans would be able to replace Obamacare because of the massive number of Americans benefiting from it. On election day Obamacare was 49% disapprove and 40% approve. That has flipped to be 46% approve and 40% disapprove. If Clinton were president they would still be free to oppose it without consequence. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/48 "2017-09-29T18:28:49Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Right-wingers for the Supreme Court. And use of Twitter to go after his enemies, real and perceived. Leaked videos of him losing his shit and screaming at the Cabinet and White House staff. A steady drip of scandals, cover-ups, more scandals, denial, and an approval rating in the twenties. > > Didn’t have to change too many words for Trump. 🙂 I actually think we would have seen pretty much the same scandals but with much less meat. For example complaints of nepotism for including her daughter in some state functions as compared to having the entire family as part of the administration. Complaints about her using weasel words and spinning facts in her press conferences as opposed to blatantly lying. Complaints about a 1 week vacation at tax payer’s expense versus flying every other weekend to Florida and pocketing the profit of hosting the Secret Service at inflated resort prices. etc. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/49 "2017-09-29T19:23:57Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Now you’re just being silly. :dubious: Somewhat but not completely; I think Hillary would have been the same total disaster of a POTUS as we have now. It may have been “Bill antics” as much as things she did herself and she would have kept more a sense of plausible deniability. But a train wreck is still a train wreck no matter where it happens or why. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/50 "2017-09-30T04:20:10Z")
I expected at least two more solidly leftist Supreme Court justices, giving us an absolute leftist majority in the high court for the next few decades, at least. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2017, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/51 "2017-09-30T06:41:18Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > By “war”, I did mean of the “ill-advised foreign interventions” type of “war” which Foolsguinea defined, not Gulf War 3, more like Somalia. > > Follow up question: Is your vision of the worst of a Hillary Presidency better or worse than the reality we have today? At this point in a Hillary presidency, we’d be much better off than we are now. I was worried about the politics over the next eight years. If Hillary was likely to preside over a slow decay of the Democratic Party, there would be two consolations: There was at least a path forward for progressives fighting against her, and there would be some progress on a few fronts where she wasn’t completely useless. The election of Trump, by comparison, was nigh-suicidal for the republic. He is the immediate disaster: Leaving the Iran deal in exchange for nothing; leaving the Paris accords; gutting the federal government to leave it less prepared to prosecute the likes of him in the future; and generally running USA foreign policy for the benefit of the Trump Organization, like the mobster he is. He is far more likely to start a nuclear war than she; he will almost certainly use the threat of such to extort smaller nations for his own personal profit and the profit of his associates. HRC was possibly slow poison, but maybe just slow decay and neglect, for the Democratic Party and progressive movement, and thus for the USA. Trump is like a twitchy gibbon given the title to the china shop; he’s wrecking everything. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2017, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/52 "2017-09-30T08:09:58Z")
The worst I thought was that we’d have an indecisive president who didn’t adhere to social justice if it was hard, and that shed pursue some more aggressive foreign policy than I’d like. Only outside circumstances would cause genuine bad things to happen. (Yes, including Congress). And even that would be offset by the big boon that having a liberal Supreme Court would bring. No more Biblical literalists aka textualists, who always make things worse. Gridlock in Congress is not something I really considered as being any different than the Obama presidency, so I don’t count it. And I am pleasantly surprised it still exists, just within the Republican Party. Better than to let the toxicity that passes for “conservatism” these days actually control anything. I’ve often said I used to be conservative. But I was nothing like what I see today. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2017, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/53 "2017-09-30T10:11:43Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Hillary’s pledge to fling open the doors to ten thousand refugee’s. In spite of all the terror attacks in France & England. How many by “refugee’s”? ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2017, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/54 "2017-09-30T13:14:42Z")
A one-term, deeply embattled presidency, undermined by a constant stream of malicious rumors, half-truths, and misogynistic rhetoric, and the continued slow erosion of Democratic power at the state and local level. And possibly, an eight-justice Supreme Court for the foreseeable future. If I weren’t worried about Trump starting a war over Twitter, part of me would not be too unhappy about the shoe being on the other foot. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/55 "2017-09-30T17:53:54Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Amnesty for all illegals… > But I _also_ figured that uses of the pardon power are pretty much the President’s call all the way, and figured there was an excellent chance she’d just shrug 'em on in. > [@Gatopescado](#): > > Just the fact that she would hold the office would be the worst possible thing I could imagine. > [@madsircool](#): > > Nixonian paranoia and the inability to own her mistakes. > [@Tim\_R.Mortiss](#): > > I feared a bigger and bigger government, and more and more regulations, choking the life out of the economy. Plus rampant illegal immigration. And having to see her face on the news every damn day. > [@jtur88](#): > > World War Three. She’s a hawk. > [@kopek](#): > > What we have now but with different subjects; a slightly different track. Other than that I think the differences would be negligible. > [@DrCube](#): > > … not a lot different from the Trump presidency so far. Different style, same substance. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I expected a lot of unethical/borderline illegal activity. Kind of like the pay-for-influence she carried on with the State Department … it’s legal as long as you pay my foundation and every elected official does it so _wink wink nudge nudge_. I also expected a lot of unethical practices that would never be known. > [@dalej42](#): > > I can’t even imagine how batshit crazy the Bernie Bots would have gone once it was announced that Jane Sanders was under federal investigation. I would have needed to stay off of social media to avoid all the insane conspiracy theories. > [@kopek](#): > > Somewhat but not completely; I think Hillary would have been the same total disaster of a POTUS as we have now… But a train wreck is still a train wreck no matter where it happens or why. Yeah, quite similar to the Trump catastrophe only much worse. Calls for Satanism to be the national religion. And given all the murders she orchestrated just as First Lady, imagine the bloodbath were she sitting in the Oval.[/sarcasm] Sheeeez. And this is a “left-wing board”?? ---
**Author:** ![rbroome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rbroome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rbroome)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/56 "2017-09-30T20:24:35Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Seriously?? “Differences would be negligible”? > > Tweet-rants @ 3 AM? Contradictory statements, often within the same paragraph? Calling world leaders by playground-type names? Boldly and blatantly insulting friend and foe alike? Failing to fill hundreds of positions appointed by the President? Faillng to respond promptly with messages of comfort to victims of disaster and tragedy? Taking off for golfing weekends at the drop of a MAGA hat? Being a [del]daily[/del] hourly embarrassment in front of the entire world? I could go on and on. > > Get real. We would have seen the same things in a Clinton presidency. Probably not from her, but from enough people to have the same effect. The “fake news” folks alone would have generated enough playground names and contradictory statements to keep everyone entertained. Those things serve to distract the media/world from other things going on. The will happen regardless of who is President. Clinton would have certainly filled those jobs, true, whether we need all those special envoys or not. Offering messages of comfort is the job of the speechwriters-Clinton would have delivered them more promptly, but they would have been dismissed by the opposition just as they are now. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/57 "2017-09-30T22:44:53Z")
Financial scandals. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/58 "2017-09-30T23:33:51Z")
The worst I expected was political gridlock on an unprecedented scale, as the Republicans did their best to be the party of “No” to fight her on everything which might possibly help Americans. I did \*not \*expect her to play golf while Americans died in Puerto Rico. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/59 "2017-10-01T00:00:58Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Sheeeez. And this is a “left-wing board”?? Left-wing and Hillary-fan are not necessarily the same thing or Trump wouldn’t have won. Bernie would have. 😃 (yeah – that was a joke. In part. But like any humor it has a grain of truth at its core.) ---
**Author:** ![River\_Hippie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/river_hippie/32/26_2.png) [@River\_Hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/River_Hippie)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540/60 "2017-10-01T00:09:36Z")
I had no fears about a Hillary presidency except maybe that it would be boring other than the rage it would have engendered in the republicans. She would have been utterly competent and presidential. I believe it is her nature to do the right thing. Look what we got instead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-the-worst-you-expected-from-a-hillary-presidency/797540.md?page=4)