# What was Trump actually implying he did when he said he "grabb\[ed\] em by the pussy" **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 1, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870 "2019-04-01T17:49:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/61 "2019-04-02T23:00:11Z")
> [@phxjcc](#): > > I believe you all have it wrong. > > Rich and/or powerful people get away with abusing those below their caste level ALL the time. > > Because they are powerful, they can directly affect your income stream and therefore your welfare. > Object? > You are fired. > > Don’t like it, so sue them. > Oh, wait–lawyers cost money and you don’t have any? > So sad, should have gone along. > > THAT is what he was saying. > And he is right. > Tell me it is a reprehensible moral position to take, ok it is. > It is an observation of fact. > > But if you have been paying attention, you will have noticed some of your sacred cows are guilty. > Louis? > Harvey? > Kevin? > Teddy? > JFK? > FDR? > Joe? > Bill? > LBJ? > > So, what bothers all of you? > He was making an observation of fact, that was somewhat prescient given the #metoo events shortly thereafter. So if I’m reading you right, the fact that somebody somewhere has murdered somebody makes it okay if I go around murdering people. And what he was _specifically_ saying was that he was in the rich and famous class, and you could identify him as being rich and famous because he sexually assaults people. Just like the big boys! What a hero. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/62 "2019-04-03T00:13:37Z")
> [@phxjcc](#): > > I believe you all have it wrong. > > Rich and/or powerful people get away with abusing those below their caste level ALL the time. > > Because they are powerful, they can directly affect your income stream and therefore your welfare. > Object? > You are fired. > > Don’t like it, so sue them. > Oh, wait–lawyers cost money and you don’t have any? > So sad, should have gone along. > > THAT is what he was saying. > And he is right. > Tell me it is a reprehensible moral position to take, ok it is. > It is an observation of fact. > > But if you have been paying attention, you will have noticed some of your sacred cows are guilty. > Louis? > Harvey? > Kevin? > Teddy? > JFK? > FDR? > Joe? > Bill? > LBJ? > > So, what bothers all of you? > He was making an observation of fact, that was somewhat prescient given the #metoo events shortly thereafter. Like I said, his base likes the fact that he sexually assaults uppity women. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/63 "2019-04-03T00:53:20Z")
Trump and his supporters are misogynistic and support the rape and abuse of women. That’s why saying such things make him popular with them; they \*want \*women to be assaulted, to be raped, and to be killed. It was a boast, not a “joke”, said because he knew boasting of assaulting women is something his followers want to hear and is something he is proud of. Also, doing and saying awful things and claiming it’s a “joke” is standard far-right rhetorical tactics. The neo-Nazis do it all the time, it’s an explicit strategy of theirs. Never believe them. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/64 "2019-04-03T04:21:20Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Trump and his supporters are misogynistic and support the rape and abuse of women. That’s why saying such things make him popular with them; they \*want \*women to be assaulted, to be raped, and to be killed. Is this a joke? Trump’s supporters support the rape and abuse of women and want women to be killed. All 63 million of the people who voted for him want women to be killed? Does this include the women who voted for him? They want to be raped and killed? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/65 "2019-04-03T04:38:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Was he telling us a totally inappropriate joke that he didn’t want us to believe was true, or was he bragging about a totally inappropriate action that he wanted us to believe was true? I’m not sure why you keep persisting in this line of questioning like I’m on a witness stand or something. I think it is clear that Trump has a pretty empty existence inside of himself. He devotes himself to work full time, failing at some things, succeeding greatly in others, but he has a weakness for women which has cost him two marriages, and is now in a third marriage which is, by all objective accounts, a show marriage with a trophy wife many years his junior. To fill that empty void, he tries to impress a D-list celebrity by telling him how much tail he is pulling, and how women just throw themselves at him. He didn’t say that he forces himself on women and grabs them whether they like it or not, he said that they “let him” because he is Donald J. Trump, Mr. God’s Gift to Women. They let him do anything. He needed tic tacs because these women just let him walk up and kiss them. Hell, he could grab them by the pussy and they wouldn’t care. Simple bragging nonsense. And this is not at all a compliment to Trump, but it seems like in this threads unless Trump is called anything less than the Antichrist then that is not good enough, because he is far more evil than that. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/66 "2019-04-03T05:20:26Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Is this a joke? Trump’s supporters support the rape and abuse of women and want women to be killed. All 63 million of the people who voted for him want women to be killed? Or enslaved, or tortured. Decent human beings didn’t vote for him. He’s a monster supported by monsters. And lots of women hate other women and want them hurt. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/67 "2019-04-03T05:33:06Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Or enslaved, or tortured. Decent human beings didn’t vote for him. He’s a monster supported by monsters. > > And lots of women hate other women and want them hurt. I just want to make sure I’ve got it right. All 63 million people who voted for Trump, including the women who voted for Trump, are monsters who want women to be abused, raped, killed, enslaved, or tortured? All of those five or just one or more of the five? ---
**Author:** ![TSBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@TSBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TSBG)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/68 "2019-04-03T05:45:35Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > He devotes himself to work full time Well, I have to question your priors there. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/69 "2019-04-03T06:04:55Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Is this a joke? Trump’s supporters support the rape and abuse of women and want women to be killed. All 63 million of the people who voted for him want women to be killed? > > Does this include the women who voted for him? They want to be raped and killed? No, but many if not most of them fall into two fields which are actually one, that of people with a complete lack of empathy for anybody they don’t personally know, or even for anybody not themselves: - all those women are unworthy, except if they happen to be me or one of mine. - all those women are unworthy, except me. Which “those”? Why, any woman who gets groped, assaulted or raped (she was wearing jeans, she was wearing a short skirt, she was wearing a long skirt, she was wearing a pantsuit… in any case it is her fault), or any woman who wants an abortion, or any woman who wants/needs to avoid pregnancy… “I never thought they’d eat MY face”, in other words. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/70 "2019-04-03T07:50:28Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > He said he does a thing and then women come forward and say that he did that thing to them and some other people twist themselves into knots trying to explain why he didn’t mean it literally. Trump bragged about “grabbing pussy.” But these witnesses, some of them strangers to Trump, only complained of “fondling vulva.” How many pounds of force need be applied to change a “fondle” to a “grab”? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@UltraVires](#): > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > It is a joke. > > > He was exaggerating for comic effect. > > > > I agree with this and think that it is very clear from listening to the tape. > > Did you find it funny? Did you laugh? I’m also curious, **UltraVires**. Did you laugh? BTW, can you tell us how many pounds of force are needed to change a “fondle” to a “grab”? Or is it your claim that all those women were just … joking? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/71 "2019-04-03T08:07:53Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > I’m not sure why you keep persisting in this line of questioning like I’m on a witness stand or something. I think it is clear that Trump has a pretty empty existence inside of himself. He devotes himself to work full time, failing at some things, succeeding greatly in others, but he has a weakness for women which has cost him two marriages, and is now in a third marriage which is, by all objective accounts, a show marriage with a trophy wife many years his junior. > > To fill that empty void, he tries to impress a D-list celebrity by telling him how much tail he is pulling, and how women just throw themselves at him. He didn’t say that he forces himself on women and grabs them whether they like it or not, he said that they “let him” because he is Donald J. Trump, Mr. God’s Gift to Women. > > They let him do anything. He needed tic tacs because these women just let him walk up and kiss them. Hell, he could grab them by the pussy and they wouldn’t care. > > Simple bragging nonsense. And this is not at all a compliment to Trump, but it seems like in this threads unless Trump is called anything less than the Antichrist then that is not good enough, because he is far more evil than that. Very charitable towards Trump. No idea why you’d be so charitable, but you must realize that others will see plenty of legitimate reason to not assume the best possible interpretation, right? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/72 "2019-04-03T10:28:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Did you find it funny? Did you laugh? I would also like to know if you thought it was funny, **UltraVires**. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/73 "2019-04-03T12:42:56Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > …He devotes himself to work full time… Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah…\…hahahahahahaha! Do you mean other than golf weekends, “executive time”, watching several hours of Fox News, skipping and not reading security briefings, watching and getting mad about SNL, and tweeting nasty shit about people? I mean, seriously, you can’t possibly believe this. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/74 "2019-04-03T12:48:16Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah…\…hahahahahahaha! > > Do you mean other than golf weekends, “executive time”, watching several hours of Fox News, skipping and not reading security briefings, watching and getting mad about SNL, and tweeting nasty shit about people? I mean, seriously, you can’t possibly believe this. 😕 Cite? For the “can’t possibly believe this” part. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/75 "2019-04-03T13:58:26Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > I just want to make sure I’ve got it right. All 63 million people who voted for Trump, including the women who voted for Trump, are monsters who want women to be abused, raped, killed, enslaved, or tortured? All of those five or just one or more of the five? People voted for Trump and the Republicans because they wanted to hurt as many people as possible as much as possible, regardless of the consequences to themselves. All they care about is inflicting as much suffering as possible. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/76 "2019-04-03T14:09:47Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > People don’t really shoot someone in broad daylight–and he said he “could” not that he “did”. > > I wonder if this is the disconnect: do you think this is a true statement? > > It is relatively common for women to get groped from behind in the very-low-ass/crotch area by either a stranger or a non-romantic partner. In this context, “relatively common” means it’s likely to happen a few times in a woman’s life, and only mildly remarkable when someone relates a story of it happening. Ultravires, you didn’t answer this question. I think this is the disconnect. I think you think the behavior Trump describes is extraordinarily rare–that it never really happens, so anyone claiming to have done such a thing is almost certainly being hyperbolic, like if they claimed to “eat like a horse” or whatever. It’s so preposterous that it’s understood by everyone that it’s not literally true. I think this behavior is, if not common, not at all rare, and so someone claiming to have done it is saying something plausible. It’s as believable as it would be if he confessed to cheating on his wife or smoking dope or any other common illicit act. Could you please clarify WHY you don’t think it’s plausible that he does this? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/77 "2019-04-03T14:27:24Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > I just want to make sure I’ve got it right. All 63 million people who voted for Trump, including the women who voted for Trump, are monsters who want women to be abused, raped, killed, enslaved, or tortured? All of those five or just one or more of the five? Well, I’m still waiting for a \*logical \*explanation why 63 million people would vote for such an incompetent ass. Perhaps we have to switch to irrational explanations. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/78 "2019-04-03T14:52:52Z")
Conservative judges ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/79 "2019-04-03T15:25:14Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Conservative judges To control women’s sexuality, allow for systemic and institutionalized racism, and hurt people. ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/80 "2019-04-03T17:14:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > When you heard it, wherever you heard it, did you laugh? Did you find it to be a funny joke? No, I didn’t think it was funny. Dirty jokes usually rely on the shock of the punch line to get a laugh but I had heard going in he had said something horrible, so I was expecting worse and thus the punch line did not land. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870.md?page=5)