# What was Trump actually implying he did when he said he "grabb\[ed\] em by the pussy" **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 1, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870 "2019-04-01T17:49:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/81 "2019-04-03T17:19:32Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > To control women’s sexuality, allow for systemic and institutionalized racism, and hurt people. That’s more of an answer then I ever get from those people when asked “What’s so great about conservative judges?” ---
**Author:** ![Trafalgar\_Laura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trafalgar_laura/32/2907_2.png) [@Trafalgar\_Laura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trafalgar_Laura)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/82 "2019-04-03T17:33:55Z")
Yes, we get grabbed. Including at the front. No, it is not meant to turn us on. My guess is that it usually happens in some semi-public place where he thinks he can get away with no one but the woman knowing, and is betting that the woman won’t say what happened. In the immediate shock of the moment, she probably won’t, and then given time to think about the person who did this (an immensely rich man who apparently lives off lawsuits) is less likely to call him out later. Not because it didn’t happen, or because she enjoyed it, but because she has a lot to lose if she really tries to pursue a legal remedy. Despite this risk, some women came out and said that he groped them anyway. It’s rather stunning how much effort people put into disbelieving both the women and his own words. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/83 "2019-04-03T17:35:13Z")
> [@Trafalgar\_Laura](#): > > Yes, we get grabbed. Including at the front. No, it is not meant to turn us on. > > My guess is that it usually happens in some semi-public place where he thinks he can get away with no one but the woman knowing, and is betting that the woman won’t say what happened. In the immediate shock of the moment, she probably won’t, and then given time to think about the person who did this (an immensely rich man who apparently lives off lawsuits) is less likely to call him out later. Not because it didn’t happen, or because she enjoyed it, but because she has a lot to lose if she really tries to pursue a legal remedy. > > Despite this risk, some women came out and said that he groped them anyway. It’s rather stunning how much effort people put into disbelieving both the women and his own words. :smack: Yep. When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Trump has told us who he is, in terms of violating the consent of women and girls, on multiple occasions. I believe him. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/84 "2019-04-03T18:05:04Z")
He was implying, to put it politely, that he was a serial sexual predator. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/85 "2019-04-03T18:21:15Z")
I find it odd in the 21st century, after the Me Too movement, that there are people out there who didn’t know that women are often the victim of the kind of sexual assault Trump brags about. Literally every woman I know has been through something like this. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/86 "2019-04-03T18:31:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yep. When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Trump has told us who he is, in terms of violating the consent of women and girls, on multiple occasions. > > I believe him. You don’t need to take his word for it. There’s a videotape of him leering at an underage girl on an escalator, telling her he’ll be back to date her in a few years. And there’s Jane Doe, who accused Trump of raping her at one of Jeffrey Epstein’s parties when she was 13 years old. Epstein, recall, was the pimp and serial rapist who got an extremely light sentence from prosecutor Alexander Acosta. (Most of Epstein’s victims were 14 years or older; maybe the 13-year old was a special treat for his special friend.) Acosta was rewarded for his leniency: he now sits as Secretary of Labor in Trump’s cabinet. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/87 "2019-04-03T19:46:24Z")
Also, he’s made sexual comments about his own daughter. He is who he is and his base love him for it. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/88 "2019-04-03T21:31:59Z")
I have often wondered what Trump likes about sex, given that he is an extreme germphobe and sex is [slimy](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00057trump-old-sparky-color.html)and full of pathogens. I think what he meant to express (but of course could not, given his semantic & cognitive limitations) is that he likes humiliating people, especially women, loves bragging about it and that he is ready to pay for being lied to when the lie sounds like a compliment. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/89 "2019-04-04T09:02:54Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > I have often wondered what Trump likes about sex, given that he is an extreme germphobe and sex is [slimy](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00057trump-old-sparky-color.html)and full of pathogens. Maybe he believes in the five-second rule? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/90 "2019-04-04T10:42:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Maybe he believes in the five-second rule? That would explain it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/91 "2019-06-19T12:14:39Z")
Just as more confirmation of the complete lack of respect Trump (and his whole team, apparently) has for women, and lack of concern for the abuse of women, they were aware of Acting SecDef’s history of domestic abuse allegations, and did not inform the Senate (or do anything else, apparently): [WH Knew About Shanahan Family Domestic Violence For Months](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/white-house-shanahan-domestic-violence) ---
**Author:** ![Walmarticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Walmarticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walmarticus)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/92 "2019-06-19T16:07:09Z")
I think Trump is more or less an asexual person. I think his view of sex is as something alpha-males do to assert dominance, not something he actually wants to have because he likes it. I think he has had genuine sex like normal people do but in a Stannis Baratheon sort of grudging duty way. I’d say that he’s possibly intentionally trying to craft his reputation as a playboy. Looking at his sexual misconduct wiki page, I see TONS of the grabbing, groping type of assault. And for all that, I’d expect a few allegations of actual sex but not so. So MAYBE he had sex with Karen McDougal. I don’t think he’s done it in a loooong time. And yeah the way he describes sexual acts sounds like Anthony Michael Hall In the Breakfast Club trying to convince the other kids he has a girlfriend. If it was grabbing boobs, he’d talk about them like big bags of sand like in the Forty Year old Virgin. I think he actually DOES harass women but more because he’s trying to spread gossip about himself as a womanizer. All the pageant dressing room creeping around, it’s fucking obvious he wants to be seen doing it. He’s heard locker room talk before and “grab them by the pussy” is a virgin-trying-to-fit-in phrase ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/93 "2019-06-19T18:09:38Z")
> [@Walmarticus](#): > > I think Trump is more or less an asexual person. I think his view of sex is as something alpha-males do to assert dominance, not something he actually wants to have because he likes it. I think he has had genuine sex like normal people do but in a Stannis Baratheon sort of grudging duty way. I don’t think Trump’s asexual. I think he likes sex. But I agree his behavior here isn’t part of normal sex. I think it’s about Trump’s insecurities over his power. He feels a need to constantly assure himself and other people that he holds power. And one way he does it is by breaking rules. When he breaks rules and gets away with it, it sends the message that other people can’t enforce the rules against him. Of course, he’s really sending the opposite message. People who know they are truly powerful don’t feel the need to constantly be testing it. What Trump’s really showing is how insecure he is. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/94 "2019-06-19T20:47:39Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > … And there’s Jane Doe, who accused Trump of raping her at one of Jeffrey Epstein’s parties when she was 13 years old. **Epstein, recall, was the pimp and serial rapist who got an extremely light sentence from prosecutor Alexander Acosta.** (Most of Epstein’s victims were 14 years or older; maybe the 13-year old was a special treat for his special friend.) **Acosta was rewarded for his leniency: he now sits as Secretary of Labor in Trump’s cabinet.** [emphasis added] UPDATE: _Prosecutors seem now to be treating Acosta’s special treatment of Epstein as felonious._ I’ve lost track: How many Trump Cabineteers have been accused of felonies? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/95 "2019-06-21T17:37:14Z")
> **[E. Jean Carroll: “Trump attacked me in the dressing room of Bergdorf Goodman.”](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/president-donald-trump-faces-new-rape-accusation.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_source=tw&utm_campaign=nym)** > > The Elle advice columnist says the assault took place in Bergdorf Goodman. > [@](#): > > When Carroll meets Donald Trump in Bergdorf Goodman, the encounter starts as a friendly one. Trump recognizes her as “that advice lady”; Carroll recognizes him as “that real-estate tycoon.” Trump tells Carroll that he’s there to buy a gift for “a girl,” and though we don’t learn the identity of this mystery woman, Carroll places the ensuing incident in late 1995 or early 1996, during which time Trump was married to Marla Maples. When Trump asks Carroll to advise him on what to buy, she agrees, and the two eventually make their way to the lingerie section. Trump suggests a lace bodysuit and encourages Carroll to try it on; she, deflecting, jokingly suggests that he try it on instead. After they reach the dressing rooms, events turn violent. In Carroll’s account, Trump shoves her against a wall inside a dressing room, pulls down her tights, and, “forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.” Trump meant that he likes to sexually assault women, because he enjoys sexually assaulting women. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/96 "2019-06-21T23:18:59Z")
It was locker room talk plain and simple. Similar if a woman said “grab him by the cock” or “I want a piece of that ass” to a guy. Women can be just as trashy. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/97 "2019-06-21T23:36:16Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > It was locker room talk plain and simple. Similar if a woman said “grab him by the cock” or “I want a piece of that ass” to a guy. Women can be just as trashy. If you’re in a locker room and a guy starts bragging that he’s raped people, then you’ve known rapists. Normal braggards brag that they can get any woman that they want to fall for them, with their looks, charm, manliness, muscles, whatever. Trump didn’t do that. He explicitly bragged that what his “star” status gets him isn’t their love - it’s their _compliance_. When he rapes them. Tellingly his rapeyness is presented less like an awesome thing and more like his mushroom taking control and overriding his shriveled brain - he “just starts kissing” women, it’s literally out of his control. And then he states he gets away with it - not that he _could_ get away with it, but that he _does_ get away with it, because that’s what happens “when you’re a star”. He then (without prompting) expands the set of things he gets away with to “anything” - and then _with_ prompting chooses of his own will to clarify that “anything” includes grabbing 'em by the pussy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/98 "2019-06-21T23:56:07Z")
I’ve been in a lot of locker rooms, including in athletics and in the military, and the sexual bravado and bragging was about how incredibly attractive, or smooth, or manly, one was to the ladies, and how they seduced attractive women to have (consensual) sex with them. Bragging about sexual assault was never “cool”, and I can’t recall a single instance. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/99 "2019-06-22T03:31:50Z")
Still, its not official record or policy and he’s probably sorry he said it now. He isnt the first to say something thats come back to bite him. And quite frankly democrats can be just as worse. That Weinstien guy was a friend of Hillarys while he was molesting all those women. Heck the Clintons and Trumps were friends. Amazing how politics suddenly ends friendships. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870/100 "2019-06-22T04:22:23Z")
[Here’s a perfect example of what Trump was talking about](https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html#_ga=2.137593776.1443204011.1561137502-8586378.1561137502). It’s the first-person account of E. Jean Carroll, and it details how Trump assaulted her. Trump’s words were not hyperbole. They were not some weird male jocularity. They were an accurate reflection of his world as he lives it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-was-trump-actually-implying-he-did-when-he-said-he-grabb-ed-em-by-the-pussy/831870.md?page=6)