# What were Daisy Dukes called before Dukes of Hazzard? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 25, 2010, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424 "2010-08-25T17:57:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/61 "2010-08-26T20:58:25Z")
> [@whole\_bean](#): > > I am damn near certain no one refers to Bermuda shorts as camos, aside form the aforemntioned crazy ass old man. What about soldiers… in Bermuda? ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/62 "2010-08-26T20:59:59Z")
> [@Spud](#): > > > [@whole\_bean](#): > > > > I am damn near certain no one refers to Bermuda shorts as camos, aside form the aforemntioned crazy ass old man. > > What about soldiers… in Bermuda? is this one of those “french toast” things? ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/63 "2010-08-26T21:13:32Z")
We have some soldiers on this board. I dare you the next time you are told to show up for an exercise in your camos to show up in a pair of plaid Bermuda shorts. If you are questioned (unlikely) you can let your CO know that this is a common and well known term for Bermuda shorts. Oh, I forgot… since Bermuda shorts is interchangeable with Daisy Dukes… show up in those. I’m sure the CO will get a big laugh out of it. p.s. don’t forget to start an “ask the guy in the brig” thread ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/64 "2010-08-26T21:13:43Z")
> [@Shadowfyre](#): > > In all of the pictures that I could find of Daisy Mae Scragg, I can’t tell if she is supposed to be wearing Daisy Dukes or a tight, short skirt that has been frayed. These three would clearly indicate a skirt to me: [http://bms.westport.k12.ct.us/mccormick/li%27l%20abner/LILABNER%20STAMPGIF.gif](http://bms.westport.k12.ct.us/mccormick/li%27l%20abner/LILABNER%20STAMPGIF.gif) [http://www.mindspring.com/~coatl/images/daisymae.gif](http://www.mindspring.com/~coatl/images/daisymae.gif) [http://media.photobucket.com/image/daisy%20mae/Enock\_the\_Yellow/LauraPetrieDaisyMae.jpg](http://media.photobucket.com/image/daisy%20mae/Enock_the_Yellow/LauraPetrieDaisyMae.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_T](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Gary\_T](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_T)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/65 "2010-08-26T21:26:11Z")
[Definitely a skirt](http://www.animationarchive.org/2008/06/biography-al-capp-3-recapp-bio-of.html) (scroll down about 2/3, just after the Surf ads to the ham ad). ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/66 "2010-08-27T01:04:07Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called “Khakees”. Or even more recently during the Millenial War, and stylistically “Camos”. > > Did you know that Camo Khakees are banned in some Caribbean countries unless you are a member of the military? Where the hell do you come up with all of this bullshit? ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/67 "2010-08-27T16:37:56Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > > [@devilsknew](#): > > > > And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called “Khakees”. Or even more recently during the Millenial War, and stylistically “Camos”. > > > > Did you know that Camo Khakees are banned in some Caribbean countries unless you are a member of the military? > > Where the hell do you come up with all of this bullshit? [USA Today](http://traveltips.usatoday.com/caribbean-vacation-packing-list-14713.html) > [@](#): > > For sightseeing or eating dinner in town, you need to be more covered up. Especially in churches or nice restaurants, lightweight longer-sleeved shirts and pants, skirts or dresses are more appropriate than shorts and flip-flops. Also be aware that wearing camouflage-patterned clothing of any kind is illegal in several Caribbean countries. [Camo Khakees banned in Caribbean.](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=0wh&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&&sa=X&ei=lul3TOHADITGlQfylonsCw&ved=0CDgQBSgA&q=Camo+khakis+banned+in+caribbean&spell=1) [John Bull Mil spec Clothing fashion police](http://www.johnbullclothing.com/fashion_police.asp) ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/68 "2010-08-27T16:46:09Z")
Even the GAP has [Camo Cargo Khakis](http://www.polyvore.com/gap_elevated_camo_cargo_khakis/thing?id=15542646), **Guinistasia** … ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/69 "2010-08-27T16:57:42Z")
I didn’t come up with any of it… it’s simply the evolution of language and dialect, naturally. Quite interesting, really, the dynamic nature of language. ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/70 "2010-08-27T17:17:16Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > Even the GAP has [Camo Cargo Khakis](http://www.polyvore.com/gap_elevated_camo_cargo_khakis/thing?id=15542646), **Guinistasia** … Exactly… aka Daisy Dukes ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/71 "2010-08-27T17:32:17Z")
I’m pretty sure I’ll regret this, but I believe the problem we’re having is with the specific claim that > [@](#): > > Bermudas today are called “Khakees”. Or even more recently during the Millenial War, and stylistically “Camos”. In other words, does there exist _any_ reference outside of this thread to “khaki” (or “khakee”) or to “camo” used as a specific identifier for -or even interchangeably with- “short pants,” either hemmed or unhemmed? It appears the universal-outside-of- **devilsknew** understanding is that “khaki” refers to uniform clothing of a tan color or to a type of casual trouser, and that “camo” is always used to denote clothing made of fabric using a camouflage pattern. I suppose either term could be used incidentally to refer to shorts if they’re constructed of tan or camouflage fabric, but in the same sort of way one could call a particular SDMB post “farfetched” without intending to classify all SDMB posts under the same rubric. ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/72 "2010-08-27T17:34:51Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > I didn’t come up with any of it… it’s simply the evolution of language and dialect, naturally. Quite interesting, really, the dynamic nature of language. You have officially mastered the non-sequitur. To recap: you said bermuda shorts were now known as “khakees” and “camos.” You were ridiculed. In support for your preposterous proposition, you cite: 1. a google search, some of the results for which discuss a Caribbean island ban on khaki colored clothing, often pants, and camouflage clothing, both of which are common for military uniforms. None of the cites I looked over conflate the two. In fact, at least one cite makes the distinction between khaki and camouflage. 2. a page from a military clothing supplier’s website, which contains the following “Major designers have always adapted khaki and camouflage and other features of military clothing in their designs.” (Emphasis mine). No mention of either of these words being synonymous with Bermuda shorts. 3. A website that apparently helps the colorblind dress themselves and also calls a pair of long camouflage patterned pants “khakis.” It’s as if the fact that the words “camo” and “khaki” appear alongside mention of the Caribbean (which has nothing to do with the island nation of Bermuda located pretty much due east of North Carolina) have in your mind lead to the conclusion that bermuda shorts are called camos. Seriously, are you a real person or a computer? ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/73 "2010-08-27T17:38:29Z")
> [@Spud](#): > > > [@devilsknew](#): > > > > Even the GAP has [Camo Cargo Khakis](http://www.polyvore.com/gap_elevated_camo_cargo_khakis/thing?id=15542646), **Guinistasia** … > > Exactly… aka Daisy Dukes in **devilsknew** ’s neighborhood, you bet your sweet ass ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/74 "2010-08-27T17:45:36Z")
Oh really… Nobody calls the Bermuda cut of those Camouflage Cargo Khaki Pants, (which were hugely popular a couple of years back) “Camo Khakis” or just “Khakis” or “Camos”? My point is that in the evolution of fashion names or articles of clothing, often the names come and go and are variously modified adjectively or adverbally as quick as the fashions come and go. Daisy Dukes were once called Bermudas in my dialectical memory and lexicon. ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/75 "2010-08-27T17:52:49Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > Oh really… > Nobody calls the Bermuda cut of those Camouflage Cargo Khaki Pants, (which were hugely popular a couple of years back) “Camo Khakis” or just “Khakis” or “Camos”? My point is that in the evolution of fashion names or articles of clothing, often the names come and go and are variously modified adjectively or adverbally as quick as the fashions come and go. Daisy Dukes were once called Bermudas in my dialectical memory and lexicon. Nobody calls Daisy Dukes Bermudas, Cargos, Camos, nor Khakis though… which is where your logic train went. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/76 "2010-08-27T17:53:53Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > Nobody calls the Bermuda cut of those Camouflage Cargo Khaki Pants, (which were hugely popular a couple of years back) “Camo Khakis” or just “Khakis” or “Camos”? About that… > [@xenophon41](#): > > I suppose either term could be used incidentally to refer to shorts if they’re constructed of tan or camouflage fabric, but in the same sort of way one could call a particular SDMB post “farfetched” without intending to classify all SDMB posts under the same rubric. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/77 "2010-08-27T17:56:45Z")
> [@whole\_bean](#): > > > [@devilsknew](#): > > > > I didn’t come up with any of it… it’s simply the evolution of language and dialect, naturally. Quite interesting, really, the dynamic nature of language. > > You have officially mastered the non-sequitur. > > To recap: you said bermuda shorts were now known as “khakees” and “camos.” You were ridiculed. In support for your preposterous proposition, you cite: > > 1. a google search, some of the results for which discuss a Caribbean island ban on khaki colored clothing, often pants, and camouflage clothing, both of which are common for military uniforms. None of the cites I looked over conflate the two. In fact, at least one cite makes the distinction between khaki and camouflage. > > 2. a page from a military clothing supplier’s website, which contains the following “Major designers have always adapted khaki and camouflage and other features of military clothing in their designs.” (Emphasis mine). No mention of either of these words being synonymous with Bermuda shorts. > > 3. A website that apparently helps the colorblind dress themselves and also calls a pair of long camouflage patterned pants “khakis.” > > It’s as if the fact that the words “camo” and “khaki” appear alongside mention of the Caribbean (which has nothing to do with the island nation of Bermuda located pretty much due east of North Carolina) have in your mind lead to the conclusion that bermuda shorts are called camos. Seriously, are you a real person or a computer? [Bermuda Shorts](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_shorts) were originally modelled after British Military Cargo Khakis, so it seems we have come full circle. Now they just use camo sometimes, too. ---
**Author:** ![devilsknew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4da419/32.png) [@devilsknew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devilsknew)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/78 "2010-08-27T17:58:24Z")
> [@Spud](#): > > > [@devilsknew](#): > > > > Oh really… > > Nobody calls the Bermuda cut of those Camouflage Cargo Khaki Pants, (which were hugely popular a couple of years back) “Camo Khakis” or just “Khakis” or “Camos”? My point is that in the evolution of fashion names or articles of clothing, often the names come and go and are variously modified adjectively or adverbally as quick as the fashions come and go. Daisy Dukes were once called Bermudas in my dialectical memory and lexicon. > > Nobody calls Daisy Dukes Bermudas, Cargos, Camos, nor Khakis though… which is where your logic train went. Oh, but people do… I’ve heard it. ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/79 "2010-08-27T18:03:41Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > > [@Spud](#): > > > > Nobody calls Daisy Dukes Bermudas, Cargos, Camos, nor Khakis though… which is where your logic train went. > > Oh, but people do… I’ve heard it. there’s no telling the shit you’ve “heard,” my man. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424/80 "2010-08-27T18:05:41Z")
> [@devilsknew](#): > > Nobody calls Daisy Dukes Bermudas, Cargos, Camos, nor Khakis though… which is where your logic train went. > > Oh, but people do… I’ve heard it. Well, all we can say is that you live in an oddball linguistic isolate that apparently has a unique fashion vocabulary. I mean, people call bermudas “khakis” where you live and they called Daisy Dukes “Bermudas?” That’s got to be a highly regionalized usage. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-daisy-dukes-called-before-dukes-of-hazzard/551424.md?page=5)