What were Daisy Dukes called before Dukes of Hazzard?

[devilsknew]

@pulykamell

@devilsknew

And “shorts” is probably shortened from the original terminology “Short Pants” or maybe it was derived from “Bermuda Shorts”? Which came first? Bermuda Shorts seems like a later term.

Not exactly sure what point you’re making here. Yes, “shorts” derives from “short pants” and dates back to 1826. “Bermuda shorts” dates back to 1953. I don’t think anybody would dispute “shorts” is a much earlier term.

Well, just as “Short Pants” were reassigned the identity of “Shorts”… and then eventually as “Bermuda Shorts”, yet further some 100 years later. “Bermuda Shorts” and their timely unlengthening was commonly and likewise assigned the term “Bermudas”.

I also surmise that the “shorts of 1826” bear no resemblence to modern “shorts”, which would be much too immodest in length. As a matter of fact, the shorts of 1826 probably bear more in common with “Bermuda Shorts”. But we solved that here by adopting the Bikini, burning our bras, developing tampons and renaming “Bermudas”, “Daisy Dukes”.

[devilsknew]

And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called “Khakees”. Or even more recently during the Millenial War, and stylistically “Camos”.

Did you know that Camo Khakees are banned in some Caribbean countries unless you are a member of the military?

[Icerigger]

Here is “Mary Ann” from Gilligan’s Island in her short shorts circa 1966.

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[pulykamell]

@devilsknew

And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called “Khakees”.

Hmm. I’ve never heard bermudas referred to as khakis. To me, “khaki” is a particular kind of material and/or particular sandy color, and “khakis” can refer to trousers made from this material. Perhaps some people call bermudas khakis but, as far as I know, they are not usually used synonymously.

[devilsknew]

And the beat goes on, and every generation denies their maker, and every generation comes closer…and the beat goes on.

When you gonna make a change to the status clo?

[devilsknew]

and the beat goes on… and every nation fit to tailor, and every generation draws the string… and the beat goes on

[DrFidelius]

@Icerigger

Here is “Mary Ann” from Gilligan’s Island in her short shorts circa 1966.

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…

I’ll be in my bunk.

[Spud]

@devilsknew

the status clo?

Are you now going to argue that this is the correct term and it is widely used?

[DrFidelius]

@Spud

@devilsknew

the status clo?

Are you now going to argue that this is the correct term and it is widely used?

If devilsknew could just bring himself to say “Well, that’s what *we *called them in South Pigfuck when I was growing up,” the whole controversy would evaporate.

[chela]

We called 'em Daisy Mae’s too, I think the credit belongs to Daisy Mae Scragg from Lil Abner. I bet that is also who the character of Elly Mae Clampett (who wore short cutoffs too)was inspired by . Funny thing is Granny Clampett was also a Daisy Mae. Granny in daisy dukes and bikini on top?

[DrFidelius]

Hey, don’t dis Granny! Irene Ryan might not have been conventionally hot when she was younger, but she was cute as a button.

Google up some images of her.

[xenophon41]

@DrFidelius

@Spud

Are you now going to argue that this is the correct term and it is widely used?

If devilsknew could just bring himself to say “Well, that’s what *we *called them in South Pigfuck when I was growing up,” the whole controversy would evaporate.

Yep.

I was a child of the 60’s in the US Southeast, Texas and western states (we moved a lot), and I never heard cutoffs confused with Bermuda shorts. But I’m sure willing to accept that some areas were more liberal in their sartorial terminologies…

[DiosaBellissima]

@DrFidelius

@Spud

Are you now going to argue that this is the correct term and it is widely used?

If devilsknew could just bring himself to say “Well, that’s what *we *called them in South Pigfuck when I was growing up,” the whole controversy would evaporate.

I doubt he is from South Pigfuck, since he was so quick to attack me as classless in the other thread because I’m from Bakersfield. I’m sure he’s from somewhere fancy, like Modesto.

[tdn]

Now I want to go to Bermuda and have some of their tasty onions.

Back on track – did anyone besides me call them jeans shorts?

[Gary_T]

@tdn

Now I want to go to Bermuda and have some of their tasty onions.

Back on track – did anyone besides me call them jeans shorts?

My recollection is that jeans shorts were storebought with a hem, while cutoffs were home cut with no hem.

[Shadowfyre]

I’m a kid of the 80’s. I pretty much grew up with Daisy Duke’s, so I am all knowing and my mastery of vocabulary is unfalable

Referring to the pick of Mary Ann from Gilligan’s Island up thread:
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/homework/mary-ann.jpg

I can’t tell what fabric is used in that pic, but even if it is denim, I would consider it more of a hot pant with the high waistline and hemmed cuffs around the leg. Kind of what Linda Carter wore in Wonder Woman:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-1/1134258/Wonder%20Woman%20-%20Color%20-%20001.jpg

Hot pants have been updated lately though. I would consider these hot pants as well despite the lower waistband. They are kinda tight and stretchy:
http://www.mmmmhot.com.au/sites/mmmmhotcom/assets/public/image/products/featured/415/690x570/hot-pants-690-2008-06-19-11-06-54.jpg

Daisy Dukes are cutoffs, but they are a specific subset of cut-offs. These are cut offs, they still have some of the pant leg remaining:
http://www.kaboodle.com/hi/img/c/0/0/4c/f/AAAADArKmDgAAAAAAEz3Rg.jpg?v=1242761894000

Here is a picture of Daisy Duke herself:

Notice the waistband is much lower than the hot pants of the day (see Wonder Woman) revealing her bellybutton. They are obviously jeans at one point, in that the pockets are “jean-like” compared to Mary Ann’s pockets. Also, the hot pants pretty much covered the butt cheek and we can see a bit of butt cheek in Daisy’s photo. Just like the cutoffs, Daisy Dukes have the frayed hem.

I would say that to most people, Daisy Dukes are a low rise denim jean that had the legs cut off even with or above the crotch seam.

The Bermuda shorts are usually shorts that are of a much nicer quality that supposed to be more formal usually ending just above the knee.

For men:

And for women:

Just regular jean shorts are different than cut offs. They are very much like a Bermuda short but they are made of denim with a stitched cuff:

The jean short has developed a slang term, “jort” a combination of the words jean and short, but is becoming increasingly applied to ugly cutoffs and Daisy Dukes. If someone complements you on your jorts, you are probably being made fun of.

In all of the pictures that I could find of Daisy Mae Scragg, I can’t tell if she is supposed to be wearing Daisy Dukes or a tight, short skirt that has been frayed.

Finally I went looking to see what Ellie Mae wore on the Beverly Hillbillies. From all the pictures Google gave, she always seemed to be wearing longer pants. Not quite full length jeans, but they definitely went past the knees:

Maybe a capri or clam digger type length with a length of rope as a belt.

[Nzinga_Seated]

In the hood, we called them poom pooms.

[DiosaBellissima]

@Nzinga_Seated

In the hood, we called them poom pooms.

In Bakersfield, we called them “church pants.”

[xenophon41]

In Springfield, we called 'em bumblefoops. We’d wear an onion on our belts, 'cause that was the fashion then…[/Grampa Simpson]

[whole_bean]

@devilsknew

And through some linguistic turn, Bermudas today are called “Khakees”. Or even more recently during the Millenial War, and stylistically “Camos”.

Did you know that Camo Khakees are banned in some Caribbean countries unless you are a member of the military?

Perhaps by the same crazy ass old man who insists that cut-offs were once called “Bermudas.” I am pretty sure that no one else refers to Bermuda shorts as khakis unless that are indeed khaki in color and then only as a reference to the color (It is common to refer to tan cotton trousers as khakis). I am damn near certain no one refers to Bermuda shorts as camos, aside form the aforemntioned crazy ass old man.