# What were you THINKING? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532 "2023-10-13T19:36:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/321 "2023-12-08T18:39:32Z")
Ah, the sophisticated humor of intellectuals. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/322 "2023-12-08T23:07:25Z")
‘Are you talking to me? I most assuredly hope you are not talking to me good sir…’ [![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/86/3c/31863c8c33bde903dcb3e1960704336c.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/86/3c/31863c8c33bde903dcb3e1960704336c.jpg) [https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/to-the-royal-academy-of-farting/](https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/to-the-royal-academy-of-farting/) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/323 "2023-12-10T16:27:47Z")
@Crane thinks that the Hamas killers who targeted women and children were “Gazan soldiers”, not terrorists. > [@Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2400): > > They were Gazan soldiers. Terrorist is a propaganda term. Let me pose a question - do the Palestinians as a group have the right to defend themselves? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/324 "2023-12-10T16:32:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > @Crane thinks that the Hamas killers who targeted women and children were “Gazan soldiers”, not terrorists. Of course, just as the IDF is mass targeting Palestinian women and children in Gaza. There’s no good guys here. It’s total war. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/325 "2023-12-10T16:33:25Z")
Good to know that you’re willing to admit that Jewish babies and children don’t count as “good guys” in your view. This is telling us a lot about what kind of human being you are. I’ll definitely keep this in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/326 "2023-12-10T19:18:08Z")
I think we are seeing the truth that not all criticism of Israel is motivated by antisemitism, only 99.9% of it is. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/327 "2023-12-10T20:03:03Z")
Don’t forget, this is the poster who dismissed rape, mutilation, and murder of women during the October invasion as “cheap propaganda”. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/328 "2023-12-10T20:21:48Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > I think we are seeing the truth that not all criticism of Israel is motivated by antisemitism, only 99.9% of it is. Say what? I don’t know what the fuck Crane is talking about in that thread or what his motivations are. But it’s equally ridiculous to say that 99.9% of criticism of Israel is driven by antisemitism. That’s just an attempt to deflect legitimate criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/329 "2023-12-10T20:31:39Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Say what? I don’t know what the fuck Crane is talking about in that thread or what his motivations are. But it’s equally ridiculous to say that 99.9% of criticism of Israel is driven by antisemitism. That’s just an attempt to deflect legitimate criticism I have found the 3D Test to be a useful starting point in separating valid criticism of Israel from antisemitism. > **[Three Ds of antisemitism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Ds_of_antisemitism)** > > The "three Ds" or the "3D test" of antisemitism is a set of criteria formulated by Israeli human rights advocate and politician Natan Sharansky in order to distinguish legitimate criticism of Israel from antisemitism. The three Ds stand for delegitimization, demonization, and double standards, each of which, according to the test, indicates antisemitism. > The test is intended to draw the line between on one hand legitimate criticism of Israel, its actions and policies, and on the other hand antis... Crane has at times seemed to use the Ds as a checklist of points to hit. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/330 "2023-12-10T20:48:17Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Crane has at times seemed to use the Ds as a checklist of points to hit. Interesting claim. Examples? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/331 "2023-12-10T20:58:09Z")
That’s not bad, although I’m not sure about double standards. Those are pretty ubiquitous in any argument, on any side. This board would shut down if we disallowed those. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/332 "2023-12-10T21:30:40Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > That’s not bad, although I’m not sure about double standards. Those are pretty ubiquitous in any argument, on any side. This board would shut down if we disallowed those I don’t think every example of a double standard indicates antisemitism, but sometimes it is a pretty clear indicator. Here’s a hypothetical example. [Let’s say that someone kept insisting that Israel is inherently oppressive because it is a “Jewish” state, and that even if Israel provides equal rights to Christians and Muslims it is still inherently oppressive due to being “Jewish”. And when asked whether this meant that Christian England or Muslim Morocco or… were also “inherently oppressive” they bent over backwards to avoid offering an answer.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/40) ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/333 "2023-12-10T21:32:20Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > This board would shut down if we disallowed those. What if we just disallowed them for half the posters? ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/334 "2023-12-11T01:37:56Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Let’s say that someone kept insisting that Israel is inherently oppressive because it is a “Jewish” state, and that even if Israel provides equal rights to Christians and Muslims it is still inherently oppressive due to being “Jewish”. And when asked whether this meant that Christian England or Muslim Morocco or… were also “inherently oppressive” they bent over backwards to avoid offering an answer. You mischaracterize my argument. Israel isn’t necessarily oppressive because it is a Jewish state. Israel is oppressive because for it to exist it must necessarily oppress the Palestinian people, i.e. deny and refuse the Palestinians’ Right of Return and human rights because it would upset Israel’s demographic concern, a Jewish majority in Palestine. It could be a Mennonite state or a Church of the SubGenius state for that matter. If these hypothetical states were to oppress a people due to demographic concerns they would also be necessarily oppressive states. I did answer your question **[here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/67)**. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/335 "2023-12-11T01:54:49Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > I did answer your question **[here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/67)**. That was not an answer. However, your explanation **here** was well-put. Why in the fuck did you not put that in the original thread and instead just kept dancing around it?! A whole shit ton of drama could have been avoided. I had a feeling you had a good reason for your statement but I couldn’t drag it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/336 "2023-12-11T03:17:49Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > That was not an answer. Yes it was. > [@Atamasama](#): > > However, your explanation **here** was well-put. Why in the fuck did you not put that in the original thread and instead just kept dancing around it?! A whole shit ton of drama could have been avoided. > > I had a feeling you had a good reason for your statement but I couldn’t drag it out of you. I repeated myself constantly; that you didn’t pick up on it is your problem. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/337 "2023-12-11T03:56:34Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > I repeated myself constantly; that you didn’t pick up on it is your problem. Oh really? Then where the fuck in that thread did you say this? > [@InfraBlue](#): > > Israel isn’t necessarily oppressive because it is a Jewish state. Israel is oppressive because for it to exist it must necessarily oppress the Palestinian people, i.e. deny and refuse the Palestinians’ Right of Return and human rights because it would upset Israel’s demographic concern, a Jewish majority in Palestine. It could be a Mennonite state or a Church of the SubGenius state for that matter. If these hypothetical states were to oppress a people due to demographic concerns they would also be necessarily oppressive states. If you can’t match that quote in the thread then you’re a fucking liar and probably a troll. And an antisemite to boot. When the Hell am I going to learn not to offer an olive branch and a compliment to an insincere asshole?! ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/338 "2023-12-11T04:18:17Z")
Pardon me, I didn’t specify demographic concerns in the other thread. That Israel’s existence is predicated on the necessary oppression of the Palestinian people is obvious if you know the history of the conflict. Yeah, that’s all you have, snide remarks and ad hominems. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/339 "2023-12-11T04:34:14Z")
Well, we asked the question, what was **InfraBlue** thinking, and they thinking, only they are allowed to define the underpinnings of Israel. Uh-huh. Well, that’s unspeakably arrogant. I think it’s clear who’s debating in good faith, and well, **InfraBlue** isn’t coming out in a good light. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/340 "2023-12-11T06:30:14Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > Well, that’s unspeakably arrogant. I think it’s clear who’s debating in good faith, and well, **InfraBlue** isn’t coming out in a good light. That has become clear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532.md?page=18)