# What were you THINKING? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532 "2023-10-13T19:36:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 222
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4720 "2025-04-13T16:47:19Z")
My example is from the middle east, not the Americas, fwiw. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4721 "2025-04-13T16:52:05Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They were traded between father and husband without their consent, You are aware that most marriage contracts actually do require the consent of the woman, right? She may be pressured, she may not have a lot of choices. But she certainly has the opportunity to object, and to make matters awkward if her consent isn’t obtained. I have described biblical marriage as similar to slavery, but a wife was a privileged and high-status slave who had a lot of legal rights. For that matter, even ordinary biblical slaves had a lot more rights than US slaves. Slavery through history covers a pretty wide range, and while all of it is bad, when you just say “slavery” to a group of Americans, they will naturally think of the especially nasty form of slavery we had in the US. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4722 "2025-04-13T17:04:52Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Through my research I learned the Shawnee were a bit more progressive vs. other tribes when it came to women Among the Haudenosaunee the men were/are the chiefs; but the women chose/choose which men are the chiefs, and can depose them if displeased with them. These things are often more complicated than they look at first glance. (There’s a vehement argument right now because the person currently claiming Cayuga chieftainship refused to be so deposed, and got the US Federal government to agree with him; and has been doing a number of things the legitimacy of which is disputed. His claiming the office at all is also disputed.) ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4723 "2025-04-13T17:21:46Z")
Women were so smart. Even given the _disadvantages_ of not having penis we have succeeded. Against the odds. We have a ways to go. The recent politics have set us back, a bit. I refuse to be classified as 2nd class just because I’m female. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4724 "2025-04-13T18:16:08Z")
Right on, sister ✊ ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4725 "2025-04-13T19:39:50Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > You are aware that most marriage contracts actually do require the consent of the woman, right? She may be pressured, she may not have a lot of choices. But she certainly has the opportunity to object, and to make matters awkward if her consent isn’t obtained. No, that’s how it is _now._ In the past we are talking about if she disagreed she could just be beaten until she did what she was told. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4726 "2025-04-13T21:12:44Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They were traded between father and husband without their consent, it was legal to rape them, and legal to beat them. That’s a slave. We were talking about the 1950s, not the 1850s. The only part of that that’s true is that marital rape was legal. Women had the vote, could get a job and own property. Opportunities were limited and domestic violence too frequently ignored, but forced marriage was hardly common, and women were certainly not slaves. Why are you so obsessed with portraying women this way? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4727 "2025-04-13T21:29:41Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Why are you so obsessed with portraying women this way? For the same reason he’s obsessed with the idea that conservatives want to murder all non-whites and nuke the Third World for Jesus - it absolves him of any responsibility for trying to improve things and it feels comforting to imagine that everything is going to plan, even an evil plan, than to think that nobody’s in control and stuff just happens. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4728 "2025-04-13T22:22:23Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > it feels comforting to imagine that everything is going to plan, even an evil plan, than to think that nobody’s in control and stuff just happens. The comfort of despair and helplessness is cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2025, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4729 "2025-04-14T01:56:40Z")
Eeyore would say to lighten the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2025, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4730 "2025-04-14T02:07:16Z")
@Der_Trihs, I’m going to say this in the spirit of this thread, which is about (when possible) constructive criticism. Get out. Go DO things about the situation. Volunteer, stand in front of city hall with a sign, whatever. Do something. Because you are largely preaching to people who agree with you, if not to the same degree. But it helps MORE to do something to change those that DON’T already agree. Then report on your success (or lack of) with that. We’ll be more sympathetic, I promise. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2025, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4731 "2025-04-14T02:14:25Z")
What are you doing? ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2025, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4732 "2025-04-14T02:26:40Z")
Me? Donating (monthly recurring) to ACLU and Planned Parenthood, keeping my father from voting his prejudices for Trump, went to the 4/5 March, trying to find time to go the 4/19 March, writing letters (physical paper kind) to my city and state reps in my light blue state to remind them that they may want to cave to Trump but that I’ll hold them accountable in the local elections, helping keep my friends and family that agree with me politically from slipping so far into despair that they give up resisting (this is a lot of work sometimes!). Oh, and just in case Der\_Trihs is right, well, I did replace my emergency supplies, pantry stockpiles, N95 masks, and ammunition. 🤷‍♂️ Or if you’re asking why I’m talking to Der\_Trihs, well, the thread is to deal with one off crazy moments for those not so far gone as to need a dedicated thread. And no one has actived any old DT Pit threads, so we apparently feel he can be saved. Or I may be a glutton for punishment, I kept trying for DrDeth, and I even volunteered to help here. So, I’m plainly nuts. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2025, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4733 "2025-04-14T02:43:02Z")
You know what? I’m sorry for asking. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2025, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4734 "2025-04-17T23:06:50Z")
So in “Giving homeless people money” in Great Debates, miserable idiot Czarcasm makes up something ugly about me and throws in a bonus insult. Czarcasm, I gather that you like to be obnoxious, like an ape flinging dung, but do you have to be so fucking _stupid_ about it? A monkey is smarter than you and has better personality to boot. If you disrespect bread, which is central to my ancestral culture, I consider you lower than a snake’s belly. Jagoff. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2025, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4735 "2025-04-17T23:23:52Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > So in “Giving homeless people money” in Great Debates, miserable idiot Czarcasm makes up something ugly about me and throws in a bonus insult. Czarcasm, I gather that you like to be obnoxious, like an ape flinging dung, but do you have to be so fucking _stupid_ about it? A monkey is smarter than you and has better personality to boot. I saw that post. Yeah, that was some top tier assholishness. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2025, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4736 "2025-04-17T23:29:58Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > If you disrespect bread, which is central to my ancestral culture… Isn’t that pretty much every culture? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2025, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4737 "2025-04-17T23:31:41Z")
Bread isn’t so central in Chinese cuisine. Rice and noodles are the main starches. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2025, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4738 "2025-04-17T23:32:31Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Bread isn’t so central in Chinese cuisine. I was going to say the same thing about Japanese culture as well. Most of the rest of the world has some kind of bread-like product (wheat-based flat item) though as a staple. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2025, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/4739 "2025-04-17T23:44:29Z")
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