# What were you THINKING? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532 "2023-10-13T19:36:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 242
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5123 "2025-06-16T19:32:06Z")
“Foin?” ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5124 "2025-06-16T19:38:32Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > So this was an interesting experience for me, because I was nodding along with the complaints about people not reading threads. I agree, it’s annoying as hell. And then I did the exact same thing, on the same day no less. It’s like some corollary of Gaudere’s Law. Don’t feel bad. Check out posts 8 and 10 over here. > [@Mersenne Prime: How is it the largest Mersenne Prime (found so far) is 2^136,279,841 -1 but, when calculated the answer is 41,024,320 digits long?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mersenne-prime-how-is-it-the-largest-mersenne-prime-found-so-far-is-2-136-279-841-1-but-when-calculated-the-answer-is-41-024-320-digits-long/1019649): > > If I calculate 2^7 the answer is 128 (three digits long). 2^20 is 1,048,576 (seven digit long). The largest Mersenne Prime calculated (so far) is 2^136,279,841 -1 but, when printed out, that number is 41,024,320 digits long. How do I know? I [have a book with all those numbers printed out in the one book](https://www.amazon.com/largest-known-prime-number-Mersenne/dp/6501195543?crid=5G6E4HORNY0M&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.USvhrNch0EfcdALi8WNWaurffuj0pbd_AZxeIQoKgRTY9hXL9KBMsbSDl0dDe7zFTm_0c6Yd_afpB6zv54ezPg.GOjtPHK5Y2xFksZfBELE8CTHFN34vA-27mNvH6aPHjY&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+largest+known+prime+number&qid=1749951099&sprefix=ther+largest+known+prime+number%2Caps%2C89&sr=8-1) and that is what it says. I’m clearly missing something here. How can the two to an exponent be bigger than the answer when you count all the digits in the answer versus the number of digit… Where post #9 is so small that unless one is posting on a phone, one can see post 8 while writing one’s post #10. I also think that posting on a phone is contributing to that occurring more frequently for all of us. The Dope is a bigger body of activity than can be safely viewed through a soda straw. As to this and other goofs, I’m sure not claiming any infallibility. As I’ve said more than once: “If you say enough stuff around here, some of it is just bound to be really stupid.” ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5125 "2025-06-16T19:43:01Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > In Troutman’s defense, you have 27 posts in that thread and probably 3/4 of the word count, Well, first of all **Troutman** has already made his _mea culpa_ and I see no need to further belabor the point on one side or the other. But with regard to some of your criticisms, most – or at least, many – of those posts were discussions about language, because it’s a subject that interests me. If the subject doesn’t interest you, that’s cool. My other posts were direct responses to challenges about my personal views on language. I would have much preferred that had not happened since I wanted the thread to be an interesting discussion about language issues and not about my beliefs, but when challenged with something that wasn’t accurate, I felt I had to respond. > [@needscoffee](#): > > all to keep repeating and restating the same old arguments. Then you were probably skimming and not reading in depth, because a number of posters felt otherwise. Namely they felt that the numerous iterations provided a clearer understanding of the points I had been trying to make. But again, I wasn’t comfortable with the thread going in that direction since it wasn’t what it was supposed to be about. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5126 "2025-06-16T20:21:30Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [Here you go](https://i.imgur.com/0VSSl1C.jpeg). Reminds me of French martyrs, who have their skin souffle’d, get whipped (into a meringue), then are nailed to a croissant. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5127 "2025-06-16T20:24:31Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Reminds me of French martyrs, who have their skin souffle’d, get whipped (into a meringue), then are nailed to a croissant. I have seen The Gingerdead Man. I have not seen The Gingerdead Man- Passion Of The Crust. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5128 "2025-06-16T20:28:30Z")
While you are here, can you stop pestering smapti. You made your point once. Get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5129 "2025-06-16T20:32:42Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I have not seen The Gingerdead Man- Passion Of The Crust. [![](https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/public_content/enc/eyJpZCI6Im1fNjg1MDdmMDU3NWU4ODE5MThiOWZkZTEzY2E3MjdiMDE6ZmlsZV8wMDAwMDAwMGIwMWM2MWY1OGEwYThmZjQzNzYxYjNmMyIsInRzIjoiNDg2MTQwIiwicCI6InB5aSIsInNpZyI6ImMzMGFiZTA2ZDQ5MDM5ZGJjMGI4OGE4MWI1MWFmNmFkYWMzNDBjMTc1YTYxYzkxNjNlODFjNGJjYTFhYjAwMjciLCJ2IjoiMCIsImdpem1vX2lkIjpudWxsfQ==) ](https://chatgpt.com/backend-api/public_content/enc/eyJpZCI6Im1fNjg1MDdmMDU3NWU4ODE5MThiOWZkZTEzY2E3MjdiMDE6ZmlsZV8wMDAwMDAwMGIwMWM2MWY1OGEwYThmZjQzNzYxYjNmMyIsInRzIjoiNDg2MTQwIiwicCI6InB5aSIsInNpZyI6ImMzMGFiZTA2ZDQ5MDM5ZGJjMGI4OGE4MWI1MWFmNmFkYWMzNDBjMTc1YTYxYzkxNjNlODFjNGJjYTFhYjAwMjciLCJ2IjoiMCIsImdpem1vX2lkIjpudWxsfQ==) Now you have. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5130 "2025-06-16T20:35:51Z")
As I said in that thread, I objected a few times. I also commented on other Jewish topics **Smapti** mentioned. The thread did not derail until **Hajaro** basically said ‘Sure, he’s appropriating Jewish culture. But, can you stop complaining about it?’ My answer was, and remains, cultural appopriation is immoral and bad. Why would I shut up about it? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5131 "2025-06-16T20:43:22Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > The thread did not derail until **Hajaro** basically said ‘Sure, he’s appropriating Jewish culture. But, can you stop complaining about it?’ Obviously a matter of opinion, but the derailment was started when you complained repeatedly that smapti would be drinking during his fasting periods. You then turned it into a rant about cultural appropriation. I don’t think you’ll get a lot of support for the idea that Haj started it. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5132 "2025-06-16T20:57:23Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > Obviously a matter of opinion, but the derailment was started when you complained repeatedly that smapti would be drinking during his fasting periods Yeah, I disagree that is when the derailment started. I also stand behind those posts. Yes, Jewish law requires adults who are medically able to fast several times each year. But why _choose_ a ritual you don’t beleive in and one that requires fasting when you cannot fast? > [@TroutMan](#): > > You then turned it into a rant about cultural appropriation. That rant was in response to **Hajaro** ’ post. > [@Hajaro](#): > > There’s no reason they can’t modify a set ritual to better suit their purposes Well there is no reason not modify a set Kabbalah ritual other than basic tenets of Kabbalah. Also, it’s cultural appropriation. > [@Hajaro](#): > > and you’re being extremely uncool. How should I act in this situation? I should just sit back while everybody enjoys the show? > [@Hajaro](#): > > This thread is about their journey and it’s not at all about you. Yeah, it is not about me. It is about the fact that the journey in question is a ritual from a religion **Smapti** does not belong to. It claims to be from a mystical tradition whose basic tenets he is ignoring. > [@Hajaro](#): > > It appears that they are getting a lot out of it and the rest of us are enjoying their journey. None of that is relevant. It is cultural appropriation. It is immoral and wrong. > [@Hajaro](#): > > Who is being a benefitted by you trying to destroy the joy? I’m sorry. Should I just sit by while cultural appropriation happens because it’s a fun time? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5133 "2025-06-16T21:05:28Z")
Many people who don’t believe go to religious services or pray. Sometimes it’s in service to expanding their beliefs and practices, while other times it’s pro forma. Some people can’t stand during a service when the rite calls for it. Should they not attend services since they can’t participate 100%? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5134 "2025-06-16T21:08:12Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > How should I act in this situation? Speaking for myself, I’d be good if you just stopped being a jerk in that thread. I share some of your concerns with cultural appropriation. But smapti drinking during a fast for medical reasons is a pretty stupid hill to die on. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5135 "2025-06-16T21:30:40Z")
Speaking for myself, Doc…you have an either/or thinking. There are vast grey areas about any situation. The world is not good with black/white scenarios. Sometimes you just have to forgive others experimental thinking and let them either come out indifferent or dedicated to pursuing this. It’s not always cultural appropriation when someone explores a new religion or way of life. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5136 "2025-06-16T21:33:24Z")
Doc has created a dedicated Pit thread, which I appreciate and think is the best option on that issue, which is where I’ll personally be posting: > [@Smapti, Kabbalah, And Cultural Appropriation](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-kabbalh-and-cultural-appropriation/1019724): > > He started a thread announcing he would be undertaking a six month long Kabbalah ritual. I had questions I objected to the fact that Smapti chose a ritual with rules he didn’t intend to follow. It also called for fasting. He is medically unable to fast. So, I asked again- why choose this particular ritual? There is indeed a reason. The basic tenets of Kabbalah, the Jewish mystical tradition that Smapti says he is folllowing insist on strict adherence to the rules and established procedure… ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5137 "2025-06-16T21:37:16Z")
Again, that is entirely different. I addressed this twice already. If you came out of a Jewish woman, attending services is not actually optional. It is a requirement. Performing a six month Kabbalah ritual is entirely optional- even if you are Jewish. **Smapti** chose this ritual out of the multitude of things he could do from any religion or secular practice. Then, in total disregard for the Jewish mystical tradition the ritual is supposed to come from, he altered it. Then, he mentions that the ritual he chose requires fasting and he is medically unable to fast. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > It’s not always cultural appropriation when someone explores a new religion or way of life. If he just wanted to learn about Judaism, that would be great. He is practicing a ritual claiming to be from the Jewish mystical tradition of the Kabbalah. He then disregards the basic tenets of the Kabbalah. On preview- **ParallelLines** has provided a link. I’ll see you there. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5138 "2025-06-17T00:54:07Z")
Cultural appropriation: a tiresome whine of weakling offenderati of any / every stripe. Get over yourself. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5139 "2025-06-17T01:28:04Z")
Well, I think that’s overly dismissive, but you can feel that way. I think @Odesio’s criticism is better: > [@Smapti, Kabbalah, And Cultural Appropriation](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-kabbalah-and-cultural-appropriation/1019724/42): > > > [@Smapti, Kabbalah, And Cultural Appropriation](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/smapti-kabbalah-and-cultural-appropriation/1019724/35): > > > > Cultural appropriation is a nonsense term that immediately undercuts any argument that uses it. All cultures appropriate and assimilate aspects of other cultures. Every culture is already an amalgam of other cultures. > > I tend to roll my eyes as well. What I hear is, “Stick to you own culture,” which I’m sure isn’t what’s meant. I kind of chalk this up to the hierarchy of oppression as appropriation is a one way street depending on who is the dominant culture. But then it gets really complicated. It might anger some Asian Americans if I wear a kimono for Halloween but if any Japanese people are offended it’s probably because I’m wearing it incorrectly. > > Still, I’d take care. I wouldn’t put a bindi on my niece but if she wanted to wear a sari for dress up it wouldn’t bother me in the least. And it’s one thing about something that’s (as in the above example) strictly limited to outer appearance, and another the closer it comes to the core identity of whatever group you’re borrowing (using a polite term) from. As a very charged example, it’s legal for some random person to do a minstrel show in blackface. And some people could be amused, some neutral, some quietly disapproving, and some very angry. I’d probably be somewhere in between the last two, and I’m not part of the affected group. But I’d support their legal right to do so (in the USA at least) while still thinking extremely poorly of their taste, judgement and empathy for others. No gotcha implied, but is it the _term_ “cultural appropriation” you object to, or that it’s something applied in cases where at least there was no _deliberate_ offense met, or just don’t think it’s anything to be concerned about at all. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5140 "2025-06-17T02:05:08Z")
Sorry, busy night. **ParallelLines** has already responded and said most of what I was going to say. I have not seen “offenderati” on the SDMB in a long time. Would you care to explain why it is a “tiresome whine” and not a valid complaint? I can understand your use of “offenderati”.Obviously, I don’t agree with it. But I understand it. But why “weakling”? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5141 "2025-06-17T02:57:16Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > No gotcha implied, but is it the _term_ “cultural appropriation” you object to, or that it’s something applied in cases where at least there was no _deliberate_ offense met, or just don’t think it’s anything to be concerned about at all. Ultimately my objection is that it lacks both nuance and flies in the face of reality. Whether you label it appropriation or “borrowing,” unless we completely isolate ourselves from other cultures, it’s going to happen. We come into contact with another culture, see something cool, borrow it, and make it meaningful to us even if it’s devoid of whatever meaning it had to the original culture. It doesn’t just happen in the United States or even the western world, it happens everywhere. One of the most difficult problems with the idea of cultural appropriation is one I’ve already mentioned. Who can appropriate a culture? Because it’s viewed through the lens of the oppressed and the oppressor, more often than not it boils down to white people being the appropriators. Which make some sense since most discussions I’m involved in are centered on the United States. Way back in 2013, the song “[Rude!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIh2xe4jnpk)” by Canadian group Magic! was fairly popular hitting number 1 on the charts here in the U.S. If you don’t remember the song, it has a reggae fusion sound, and on another message board I ran into some folks who were claiming cultural appropriation. This is a Canadian band, none of the members are from Jamacia, how dare they! Then someone pointed out lead singer Nasri has a Canadian-Palestinian background, and the criticism of appropriation dried up, suddenly he wasn’t white enough for it to be appropriation. Let’s talk about Wu-Tang Clan for a minute. As we all know, Wu-Tang ain’t nothing to fuck with, but did you know they weren’t Chinese? Wu-Tang was formed by two African American New Yorkers who loved Kung-Fu movies and incorporated what they saw into their music. They even cribbed their name from a movie called _Shaolin and Wu Tang._ I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone complain about appropriation on their part. It could be because, like I said, Wu-Tang ain’t nothing to fuck with, but I suspect it’s because it’s not appropriation unless the person doing the borrowing is white. I’m not denouncing Wu-Tang here, because as was mentioned earlier, Wu-Tang ain’t nothing to fuck with, but it calls into question of what appropriation is when some can do it and others seemingly cannot. If appropriation is based on who the dominant group is then it isn’t about respecting others or avoiding offense, is it? Proponents of cultural appropriation often fail to take into account cultural sharing. The Hong Kong filmmakers who helped distribute the Kung-Fu movies in the United States, the ones that influenced RZA and Ghost Face Killa to create Wu-Tang Clan, were engaged in a form of cultural sharing. Granted their desire to share was likely driving by the capitalist urge to find more markets and make more money, but it’s still sharing. Even though I never formed a rap group, I too loved those Kung-Fu movies growing up and they certainly had an influence on me. Remember when ninjas and Kung-Fu blew up in the 70s and early 80s? It’d be a sad day if we couldn’t enjoy fine movies like _American Ninja_ or the hit television show _The Master._ And this happens elsewhere. I was watching a news program more than 25 years ago about a group of Japanese salarymen who were really into the the television show _Rawhide._ Once a week these men would get together in a bar, some of them dressed as cowboys, and watch the adventures of Gil Favor, Rowdy Yates, and Wishbone and they drove that herd to Kansas or wherever the hell they were going. Should I get upset they were dressing up as cowboys? My culture is not their costume! No. Our culture was shared with them freely, again, driven by capitalist desire to tap new markets, but it’s still sharing. Another problem with appropriation is that it’s difficult to clearly draw the lines between cultures in our pluralistic society. I’m not Black, I’m not steeped in Black culture, but Black culture has certainly had a big influence on our shared culture at large. Should I stop listening to rock music because it was appropriated? Can I use the word woke without it being appropriation? It’s hard to tell where the lines are sometimes. They seem arbitrary oftentimes. Like I said originally, I think some of this originates out of a genuine desire to be respectful of other people. But it so often manifests itself in such stupid, harmful ways. It’s downright conservative in how they don’t want us to mix it up with other races or nationalities. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5142 "2025-06-17T03:11:00Z")
I realize that a lot of sharing and blending goes on. If you live in NYC, odds are very good you routinely use some Yiddish words and know where to get a really good bagel. I don’t have a problem with that. A lot of Japanese pop culture is wildly popular in America now. I don’t have a problem with that either. The American Godzilla movie with Mathew Broderick was awful of every conceivable level. Shin Gojira (IIRC it was also retitled as Godzilla Resurgence here) was fantastic! Anything made by Miyaziaki or Studio Ghibli is something I want to see. Gwen Stefani used to have a 1940’s hairdo and wear a bindi. Victory Rolls and the rest were American. If you want to try to revive the style, okay. Bindis are specifically Hindu and have religious signifance. Different bindis mean different things. IIRC Gwen was never a Hindu and just wore bindis because they looked cool. I do have a problem with this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532.md?page=241) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532.md?page=243)