# What were you THINKING?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [October 13, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532 "2023-10-13T19:36:53Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2025, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5703 "2025-09-25T15:17:44Z")

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This is to the many folks over in the Charlie Kirk pit thread who cannot stop replying to obvious troll/sealion. Stop replying and my guess is he will go away.

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**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5704 "2025-09-25T17:12:51Z")

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I find that whole process weirdly interesting. I was tempted myself to reply at first but soon there was a steady stream of nibbles on that bait and I wisened up.

I honestly want to understand better those that defend Charlie Kirk. From what I have seen the man was reprehensible, but admittedly, I haven’t sat through much of his dialogue. I don’t see anything of substance in this guys responses other than attacks and counter attacks.

It really is a pointless waste of time. The many hostile and/or attacking responses do nothing to help. The more reasoned responses are treated the same as the emotional ones. Its hopeless.

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**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2025, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5705 "2025-09-25T17:33:42Z")

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Yeah, but they’ll crow over “HAHA YOU RAN AWAY!”, and we just can’t have a stranger getting undue satisfaction on the internet, let alone the Dope.

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**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5706 "2025-09-27T04:54:53Z")

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> [@ASL\_v2.0](#):
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> Is it that inside every free speech absolutist, there’s a cryptofascist, yearning to oppress?
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> Because they pretty uniformly seem to be more “free speech subjectivists” in practice.

It makes perfect sense when you consider that the right wing is all about “rules for thee, but not for me”. They believe in absolute free speech…for _them._ Not for the rest of us.

> Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

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**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2025, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5707 "2025-09-27T17:49:08Z")

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> [@FluffyBob](#):
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> I honestly want to understand better those that defend Charlie Kirk.

You might well want to. But responding to a sealion is not a way to obtain that honest understanding.

I know you get that, but it’d also be nice if everybody else got that idea too.

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**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5708 "2025-09-28T15:31:30Z")

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I just replied to that troll. Sorry, please forgive me!

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**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5709 "2025-09-28T15:36:06Z")

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And now SpiceWeasel has summoned DemonTree to the Male Inequality thread. Whether in misguided good faith or to bait that bigot into violating her topic ban, I do not know.

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**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5710 "2025-09-28T15:45:42Z")

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> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> > [@FluffyBob](#):
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> > I honestly want to understand better those that defend Charlie Kirk.
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> You might well want to. But responding to a sealion is not a way to obtain that honest understanding.
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> I know you get that, but it’d also be nice if everybody else got that idea too.

As someone who knew very little about Charlie Kirk before the shooting, I wanted to understand him better, too, and to that end I watched a lot of YouTube videos featuring him in various different settings, from the mass rallies on college campuses to one-on-one debates and interviews. I’ve talked about it in other threads and this isn’t the place to go into it, but I do understand why he was so divisive and so beloved by one side and hated by the other. He was smart and articulate but also a manipulative lying demagogue, so he was a very effective influencer for the far right.

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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5711 "2025-09-28T15:51:42Z")

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> [@wolfpup](#):
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> He was smart and articulate but also a manipulative lying demagogue

But the former in no possible way offsets the latter.

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5712 "2025-09-28T15:52:36Z")

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**To all:** Please don’t use this thread to talk about Charlie Kirk.

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**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5713 "2025-09-28T16:00:35Z")

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- post deleted, respect to @What_Exit

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5714 "2025-09-28T16:02:46Z")

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> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> **To all:** Please don’t use this thread to talk about Charlie Kirk.

One more try.

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**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5715 "2025-09-28T16:13:09Z")

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@Mighty_Mouse, I wouldn’t think it was baiting on Spices part. She probably didn’t realize the topic ban.

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5716 "2025-09-28T16:14:34Z")

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That thread doesn’t play into her topic ban anyway. If she violates her ban there, it would also be a hijack.

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**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5717 "2025-09-28T16:34:08Z")

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Hey, since you’re here WhatExit.

Why are you wanting folks to not talk about Kirk in certain threads?

You shut me down in a thread with Kirk’s name in the title. I respect that, of course and won’t go back. In fact I’ve muted those threads completely. And now here.

Are you tryna contain it to other threads?

I don’t get it.

Not complaining. Just asking.

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5718 "2025-09-28T16:49:20Z")

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Troll thread, this thread and the major hijacking of a Jimmy Kimmel thread that I had been following. But that last request was just as an annoyed poster. This and the Troll thread, I try to keep from blowing up into a hijack of other subjects.

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**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5719 "2025-09-28T16:55:42Z")

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Understood. Thx for the reply.

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**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5720 "2025-09-28T16:56:12Z")

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Just make it a moderator request ffs, otherwise all your pleadings and hand wringing get passed over.

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**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5721 "2025-09-28T17:06:16Z")

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I think @What_Exit was rightfully respecting moderation boundaries. In this forum, @Miller is the one with final say. But I agree with the sentiment. Threads like this are too easily hijacked. For my part, I made a brief comment about Charlie Kirk in response to the subject of wanting to know more about him, and didn’t intend to hijack or pursue the subject any further here.

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**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2025, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/5722 "2025-09-28T17:07:48Z")

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Miller has a hands off approach whereas WE likes to stick a thumb in all the pies.

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