# What were you THINKING?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [October 13, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532 "2023-10-13T19:36:53Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1201 "2024-02-21T14:30:40Z")

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> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> > [@wolfpup](#):
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> > This was more like a post-fire forensic analysis
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> I for one knew that something was missing from the thread. There was a gap, a missing piece, an _absence d’esprit_ if you will. Turns out it was just missing your forensic analysis, and I assure you we’re _terribly_ grateful you provided it.

That was so awesomely informative that I think it’s literally changed my life forever. Thank you so much.

And it really has so much changed my view of self-important assholes deprecating the views of the margninalised.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1202 "2024-02-21T14:32:43Z")

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> [@wolfpup](#):
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> And it really has so much changed my view of self-important assholes deprecating the views of the margninalised.

I have never seen so much projection in my life.

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**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1203 "2024-02-21T14:33:27Z")

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Well, not outside of a drive-in movie. All those giant screens…

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1204 "2024-02-21T14:35:05Z")

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You could high-power shine a Trump rally onto the moon, and wolfpup’s hilariously unaware comment would still win.

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**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1205 "2024-02-21T14:38:51Z")

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> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> > [@wolfpup](#):
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> > This was more like a post-fire forensic analysis
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> I for one knew that something was missing from the thread. There was a gap, a missing piece, an _absence d’esprit_ if you will. Turns out it was just missing your forensic analysis, and I assure you we’re _terribly_ grateful you provided it.

[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/eFTLKWw542g/maxresdefault.jpg "Billy Joel - We Didn't Start the Fire (Official HD Video)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g)

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**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1206 "2024-02-21T14:38:59Z")

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> [@wolfpup](#):
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> self-important assholes deprecating the views of the margninalised.

Umm, marginalized folks? Like sex workers?

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1207 "2024-02-21T14:39:54Z")

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> [@wolfpup](#):
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> self-important assholes deprecating the views of the margninalised

“Self-important asshole deprecating the views of the marginalised” is about 90% of wolfpup’s persona here. If the board allowed custome user titles, it’d be damn near perfect.

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**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1208 "2024-02-21T14:40:20Z")

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> [@thorny\_locust](#):
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> But the fact that adults had/have sex with adults, even when that fact was/is publicly known, meant and means nothing about whether they’ll try to involve students in such activity.

But we’re not talking about just having sex, we’re talking about having sex on camera for money. It’s different. Isn’t it?

Hell, maybe I’m just behind the times and I’m basically old man ranting about how school teachers shouldn’t have tattoos.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1209 "2024-02-21T14:42:29Z")

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> [@Cheesesteak](#):
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> Hell, maybe I’m just behind the times and I’m basically old man ranting about how school teachers shouldn’t have tattoos.

That’s how it reads to me–but it really does seem more suited for the IMHO thread.

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**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1210 "2024-02-21T14:44:47Z")

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> [@Cheesesteak](#):
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> But we’re not talking about just having sex, we’re talking about having sex on camera for money. It’s different. Isn’t it?

It’s different _because_…

> [@Cheesesteak](#):
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> Hell, maybe I’m just behind the times and I’m basically old man ranting about how school teachers shouldn’t have tattoos.

Maybe I’m crazy, but I think judging positions based on where they fall compared to “the times” is not particularly productive. “Times” could always be headed to shit, after all. Not to Godwinize things, but I’d probably prefer a 1930s German who was “behind the times” when it came to getting on board with the hot new political party that’s so ‘in’ right now.

Instead, I think it is better to analyze positions based on their own merits. In the case of the teacher with an unconventional side-gig, what are the actual risks that concern you? How realistic are they?

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**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1211 "2024-02-21T14:51:04Z")

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> [@Babale](#):
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> a 1930s German who was “behind the times”

Given what I’ve heard about Germans in 1930s Germany at least some of them would wonder what the fuck people are so upset about.

[![](https://www.nydailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2015/01/28/372FFKFYLDBH37FI22MLDFLBNI.jpg) ](https://www.nydailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/2015/01/28/372FFKFYLDBH37FI22MLDFLBNI.jpg)

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**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1212 "2024-02-21T14:53:39Z")

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> [@Babale](#):
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> Limpopo River

The great green greasy Limpopo river, all set about with fever trees, has no place in this discussion. It is pretty wide. Not a lot of jumping over.

It separates my homeland from my adopted country

And it is full of crocodiles.

(Not a lot of [fever trees,](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vachellia_xanthophloea) though, Kipling took some artistic licence there.)

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**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1213 "2024-02-21T15:05:22Z")

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> [@crowmanyclouds](#):
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> Like all those teachers who you’d fire on the spot?

There is a critical difference here.

The teacher(s) in question are not directly impacted by anything Beck says or thinks. Beck certainly _reflects_ a values base and thought process very commonly held in this country that is very unpopular among many of this board, but her words and actions are unlikely heard or felt by the teacher.

The hostile to vulgar and violent thoughts here, beyond even standard Pit pale, were in contrast directly aim at a person to their virtual face. Yeah I get that the mob feels she asked for it, and it’s the Pit, but at some point this is more akin to cyber bullying than anything else.

She is wrong and she makes her arguments both poorly and in ways that insult both those here and not here. Probably her some of her posting out of MPSIMS should get mod guidance. But dang doing a Clockwork Orange reenactment is a bit above and beyond. She implies that men dealing with issues women displaying their bodies are motivated by lust and misogyny. And women who defend displays of sex are just naive. Yeah I get the offense taken! 😀 But …wow. To reference someone else, okay to be excessively violent if you wear a white hat?

ETA I don’t know too much of Beck but most here seemed to like her before. When behavior is very different than an established track record maybe it reflects something else going on and some understanding is appropriate?

I dunno.

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**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1214 "2024-02-21T15:14:16Z")

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> [@Cheesesteak](#):
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> But we’re not talking about just having sex, we’re talking about having sex on camera for money. It’s different. Isn’t it?

In some ways. But I doubt it’s different in the likelihood that practitioners will try to involve children.

> [@Babale](#):
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> Maybe I’m crazy, but I think judging positions based on where they fall compared to “the times” is not particularly productive. “Times” could always be headed to shit, after all.

That’s a good point.

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**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1215 "2024-02-21T15:14:52Z")

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Dear Agony Aunt,

There’s a person here who keeps shitting in their hands and clapping. Every time I tell them how awful they are for doing this, they shit more and clap harder. Please help me solve this, everything is getting spattered with shit.

Yours ,

This Time Surely I’ll Convince Them

Dear This Time,

You say that every time you confront them they just double down on the whole shitting in their hands and clapping thing. Have you considered shutting the fuck up and letting this whole depressing and objectionable cycle grind to a halt? Because you absolutely shouldn’t. Keep going! It’s got to work one time, right? You keep telling them off, they can keep going Splat! but at some point this strategy will definitely start working. They definitely seem like the kind of person who will eventually listen to reason. You got it champ!

AA

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**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1216 "2024-02-21T15:22:48Z")

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> [@DSeid](#):
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> The hostile to vulgar and violent thoughts here, beyond even standard Pit pale,

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

Please quote this horrible comment that’s _so much worse_ than the constant “you only disagree with me because you’re a pathetic masturbator” drivel that Beck continously posted _outside the Pit_.

I’m waiting.

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**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1217 "2024-02-21T15:23:49Z")

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> [@DSeid](#):
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> To reference someone else, okay to be excessively violent if you wear a white hat?

What fucking _violence_? What are you smoking? Where can one get some (asking for a friend)?

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1218 "2024-02-21T15:27:36Z")

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> [@DSeid](#):
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> But dang doing a Clockwork Orange reenactment is a bit above and beyond.

I pushed back against a specific post with some OTT language–but I also think this kind of hyperbole isn’t really helpful. The vast majority of posts expressing anger with beck have been completely in line with the purpose of the pit. The profusion of them don’t express a mob, but rather a bunch of people who have had enough of some obnoxious behavior.

Maybe most folks liked her before. I confess that I didn’t pay her much attention to her, before I saw her posting some transphobic nonsense a couple of months ago. I think this is the first time I’ve really encountered her in a thread I was interested in. It may be the first time she’s been so adamantly advocating policy that harms people.

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**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1219 "2024-02-21T15:38:19Z")

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Dibble’s was particularly outside what I’ve seen as norms. Even for him.

The rest of it, well my Pit experience is less than some but it does seem more pile on than I’ve seen before.

If you see this more as Pit bog standard I will defer to greater Pit experience.

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**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1220 "2024-02-21T15:45:36Z")

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> [@DSeid](#):
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> If you see this more as Pit bog standard I will defer to greater Pit experience.

It’s pretty standard for a one of the Pit threads about particular posters that multiple people have a problem with. What’s different is that this is a general Pit thread that just turned into a thread about a particular poster.

I didn’t join in the pile on (just made a couple of comments but not really taking a side) because I don’t have the same experiences as those who are upset (on either side) and don’t feel the need to jump in for recreational purposes.

But is this pretty typical Pit discussion? Sure, nothing new or egregious in this thread.

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