# What were you THINKING? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532 "2023-10-13T19:36:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 85
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1681 "2024-03-20T18:12:51Z")
Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1682 "2024-03-20T18:17:02Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > He writes he is against the “Sabbatians/ lizards” who control Israel, not Jewish people. 🤨 🦎 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1683 "2024-03-20T18:17:18Z")
This is laughable. Icke has endorsed the completely fabricated “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, said that Jews funded the Holocaust, and blames Jews for antisemitism, saying this: “Thought patterns in the collective Jewish mind have repeatedly created that physical reality of oppression, prejudice and racism which matches the pattern – the expectation – programmed into their collective psyche. They expect it; they create it.” He’s a loony, and like many loonies, for some reason he’s latched onto the Jews as responsible for many or most of the world’s ills. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1684 "2024-03-20T18:23:16Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > For the record, I have read Icke’s books. You haven’t or you wouldn’t say he was antisemitic. > He writes he is against the “Sabbatians/ lizards” who control Israel, not Jewish people. Uh… [https://www.adl.org/resources/report/antisemitic-conspiracies-about-911-endure-20-years-later](https://www.adl.org/resources/report/antisemitic-conspiracies-about-911-endure-20-years-later) > David Icke > > David Icke is a popular British conspiracy theorist and author whose books promote a wide range of conspiracy theories. These conspiracy theories include frequent antisemitism, such as claiming that Israel and Zionists planned the 9/11 terrorist attacks, citing the classic antisemitic text “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” and stating that the Jewish Rothschild family is part of a bloodline of reptilian humanoids that secretly control the world. > > Icke’s work has been admired by individuals across the political spectrum, from individuals on the left to far-right extremists. Icke’s two most recently published books, “The Trigger” in 2019 and “The Answer” in 2020, strongly promote the belief that a cabal of “ultra-Zionists” based in Israel, together with a religious “death cult” that emerged from Judaism centuries ago, perpetrated 9/11. > > 911 > “There was massive and central involvement in 9/11 by Israeli government, military and intelligence operatives…” – David Icke, “The Trigger,” 2019 > “Zionist and ultra-Zionist organizations form a network across America and the world to manipulate and impose the will of ultra-Zionism and the Sabbatian-Frankist Death Cult….Add the Kosher Nostra networks of organized crime which interlock with Mossad….add control of so much of government and media—and you have a hidden stream of interconnections perfectly capable of perpetrating and then covering up 9/11.” – David Icke, “The Trigger,” 2019 ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1685 "2024-03-20T18:23:46Z")
This is concerning. I don’t like to tell people what to read, so I don’t usually say this: Do not read those books. They are not good. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1686 "2024-03-20T18:38:19Z")
You’re allowed to tell people to do stuff or not do stuff, just as they are allowed to ignore you. It’s a non-binary situation. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1687 "2024-03-20T18:39:58Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Plus, you’re talking about someone who has been gradually absorbing information here, or at least considering it. Still think this? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1688 "2024-03-20T18:41:19Z")
There were early signs of [**buyer’s remorse**](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1681) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1689 "2024-03-20T18:41:44Z")
Or rope-a-dope. It’s not anti Jewish, it’s anti Satan, who controls the Jews. We must destroy them to save them. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1690 "2024-03-20T18:43:49Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > He writes he is against the “Sabbatians/ lizards” who control Israel, not Jewish people. Well, that’s good enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1691 "2024-03-20T18:46:14Z")
I didn’t mean to hijack. Too late, I’ve read them. And no books should be banned. Heck I once read the satanic bible. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1692 "2024-03-20T18:50:52Z")
Can someone enlighten me? So to be popular here, one should agree with and believe the things that all the rest of the Dopers believe or they’re ignorant? Because all here are right about everything? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1693 "2024-03-20T18:51:55Z")
To be clear. Did you read them with a totally objective view? Or, do you buy this whack jobs bunch of crap? There are no lizard people. I promise. It’s not a popularity contest. No one is completely right. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1694 "2024-03-20T18:52:36Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I’ve read that the “lizard people” stuff is antisemitic in origin, so really, he is all about the Jews. I’ve come to the conclusion that ultimately, ALL conspiracy theorists are antisemitic. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1695 "2024-03-20T18:53:42Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Can someone enlighten me? > So to be popular here, one should agree with and believe the things that all the rest of the Dopers believe or they’re ignorant? Because all here are right about everything? Just try avoiding the reprehensible stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1696 "2024-03-20T18:58:40Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Because all here are right about everything? No, because I have it on good authority that some members here are so devoid of reason and good taste that they don’t like licorice. However, as a group, ~~all~~ most of us would definitely keep David Icke at arm’s length… ETA: for that matter, we’d also keep LaVey at arm’s length as well… ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1697 "2024-03-20T19:12:34Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Too late, I’ve read them. And no books should be banned. Heck I once read the satanic bible. Most folks’ problems with LaVey are moral. Dopers’ problems with Icke tend and other CT tend to be based on grounds of logic. It’s not so much what he says is hateful. It’s that it’s devoid of reason. LaVey and Icke are not interchangable. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1698 "2024-03-20T19:15:46Z")
‘_I don’t hate all the Jews, I like Jesus . . . I just hate all the Jews responsible for His crucifixion, which is every Jew that isn’t Jesus!_’ Of course they ignore that Jesus was responsible for Jesus’ crucifixion since it was His plan from the start. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1699 "2024-03-20T19:28:50Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@Leaper](#): > > > > I’ve read that the “lizard people” stuff is antisemitic in origin, so really, he is all about the Jews. > > I’ve come to the conclusion that ultimately, ALL conspiracy theorists are antisemitic. Maybe in the sense that all conspiracy theories are aimed at a threatening Other, and Jews have been that Other for Western society for 2,000 years? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1700 "2024-03-20T19:41:29Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > and Jews have been that Other for Western society for 2,000 years? [![](https://www.enworld.org/media/fiddler-on-the-roof-copy-jpg.42030/full) ](https://www.enworld.org/media/fiddler-on-the-roof-copy-jpg.42030/full) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532.md?page=84) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532.md?page=86)