# What were you THINKING? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 13, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532 "2023-10-13T19:36:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1701 "2024-03-20T20:08:23Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > If you tolerate even awful people and awful beliefs, you just chase away the people those beliefs hurt. For example, if we tolerate transphobe’s perspective, we would be saying that trans people are not welcome here. > > Plus this board’s foundation was about fighting ignorance. So if you have a perspective that is factually wrong, that isn’t tolerated either. Moving away from icky antisemitism for a moment (unfortunately we can’t move away from it forever because the damn stuff keeps coming back – ) Tolerating people who have an incorrect belief is a different thing from tolerating the belief. Of course, there’s a point at which a belief is abhorrent enough that a person who holds it must be a terrible person (for example, 'I believe you and your kids should be murdered because I don’t like your religion!). But I think part of the problem is that some people have a lot of trouble telling the difference between ‘You’re wrong about that!’ and ‘You’re a wrong person!’ Anybody on these boards is going to get at least some of the first, and some people are going to get a lot of it. Reacting to it as if it were the second is only going to make matters worse. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1702 "2024-03-20T20:29:19Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Tolerating people who have an incorrect belief is a different thing from tolerating the belief. > > Of course, there’s a point at which a belief is abhorrent enough that a person who holds it must be a terrible person (for example, 'I believe you and your kids should be murdered because I don’t like your religion!). > > But I think part of the problem is that some people have a lot of trouble telling the difference between ‘You’re wrong about that!’ and ‘You’re a wrong person!’ Anybody on these boards is going to get at least some of the first, and some people are going to get a lot of it. Reacting to it as if it were the second is only going to make matters worse. ⁢ I’d say it’s more complex than that. The line between tolerating a person and tolerating a belief or behavior is kinda fuzzy. As is the line between harmless wrong and harmful wrong. For example, you can have a rather heinous belief, but if you don’t bring it up and aren’t acting on it in any noticeable way, then it’s hard to argue against tolerating them. But, on the other hand, if you are constantly talking about a bad but not horrible belief, then you can run into the paradox and need to not tolerate them in order to not tolerate that belief. You may want to push them to either change beliefs, shut up, or leave. But I do agree that there are a lot of times where people seem to focus more on the person when they should focus on the behavior. That is actually the unwritten I’ve mentioned. I will Pit people, but I try to focus on the behavior—even if, in the moment, I feel like attacking the person. (In fact, there may be attacks in my first draft. Angry posts take me a lot longer because I rewrite them a lot. It actually gives me time to calm down.) ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1703 "2024-03-20T20:44:56Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Still think this? Maybe you didn’t see my > [@needscoffee](#): > > Hmmm… _Somebody_ did… > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > There were early signs of [**buyer’s remorse**](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1681) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1704 "2024-03-20T21:09:48Z")
@SuntanLotion: Sabbatean in conspiracy land is just another name for Jewish people. Sure, technically the term refers to Jews who thought a particular guy was Messiah, but conspiracy theorists use it to mean “Jews who follow the Sabbath.” But, even if that wasn’t the case, the antisemitism is in believing these groups are the ones who run Israel. Because Israel is just run by Jewish people. So saying they’re “lizard people” is an attack on Jewish people. I do agree with Beck—this book is not a good book to read. The guy is a conspiracy theorist, and a lot of conspiracy theories are antisemitic. It sounds like you’re finding him convincing, which isn’t good. The guy does not know what he is talking about. You should probably ignore anyone who believes in “lizard people.” They do not exist. The idea came from a sci-fi movie. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1705 "2024-03-20T21:34:49Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You should probably ignore anyone who believes in “lizard people.” They do not exist. That’s exactly what a lizard person would say. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1706 "2024-03-20T22:14:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Icke has … said that Jews funded the Holocaust… Why would they do that? I’m glad I don’t know who this guy is. Like, they knew what was coming and funded it themselves??? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1707 "2024-03-21T00:33:16Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Moving away from icky antisemitism… Nicely done. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1708 "2024-03-21T01:49:48Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I’ve come to the conclusion that ultimately, ALL conspiracy theorists are antisemitic. I came to that conclusion long, long ago (decades, in fact), and have posted that sentiment on this site a few times. @crowmanyclouds Good point (the picture you posted on tradition). I like to say, “Tradition isn’t a great reason for doing something. It used to be tradition to sacrifice the first born. By the way, are you the first born?” Only two people IRL grokked my point, although I’ve said it often. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1709 "2024-03-21T08:08:04Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > That’s exactly what a lizard person would say. Are you saying BigT is British royalty? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1710 "2024-03-21T10:54:27Z")
People are talking, that’s all I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1711 "2024-03-21T11:02:06Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > People are talking, that’s all I’m saying.   I believe you mean “many people are saying …”, which in the fields of scientific endeavour, jurisprudence, and formal logic is generally regarded as unassailable proof of the proposition being advanced. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1712 "2024-03-21T14:08:29Z")
Manny Peeples, cousin to Nia Peeples and a prophet of God is often quoted by the wisest among us. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1713 "2024-03-21T14:17:06Z")
His cousin is Manny Bothans, who bravely gave his life getting information about the construction of the 2nd Death Star to the Rebel Alliance. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1714 "2024-03-21T22:16:13Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Can someone enlighten me? > So to be popular here, one should agree with and believe the things that all the rest of the Dopers believe or they’re ignorant? Because all here are right about everything? Not really, you need to bring ~~pie~~ evidence and cites. Lately there has been a movement by the rightwing to offer a home to many conspiracy minded people. True, even in the recent past a lot of conspiracies had sizeable left leaning and right-wing leaning populations. But recently, a lot of conspiracies, [like anti-masking, anti vaxxing, are being supported by a lot of the leadership in one American party.](https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1057344561/anti-vaccine-activists-political-conference-trump-republicans) Think of a politician saying that they did not leave a party because they changed, but that it was the party who did change, a lot of fact checkers like Snopes or FackCheck are encountering that one side is nowadays constantly claiming that it is the fact checkers the ones that are also wrong, they claim that it is not just the progressives, but also the moderates or the ones that do check the facts. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1715 "2024-03-21T22:19:33Z")
I’ll take Ranch dressing with that. 😊 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1716 "2024-03-21T22:27:57Z")
I tried that with apple pie once… never again, 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1717 "2024-03-21T22:48:48Z")
That makes a lot of sense. I do love reading conspiracies, these people have creative minds all right. 🧎‍♀️🥧 I couldn’t find an emoji that was prostrating towards the pie. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1718 "2024-03-21T23:39:25Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > I couldn’t find an emoji that was prostrating towards the pie. 🥧🧎‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1719 "2024-03-22T00:18:58Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > I couldn’t find an emoji that was prostrating towards the pie. At least you didn’t confuse ‘prostrate’ with ‘prostate’. So you’re ok in my book. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532/1720 "2024-03-22T00:23:44Z")
Or prostitute - that gets confused with prostrate sometimes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532.md?page=85) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-were-you-thinking/991532.md?page=87)