# What will happen in Gaza now that Trump won? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 6, 2024, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762 "2024-11-06T06:38:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/1 "2024-11-06T06:38:31Z")
Will the Palestinians be wiped out? Will they be forced out of Gaza to other countries? Will the West bank be fully subsumed? How will a Trump Presidency affect the current conflict? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/2 "2024-11-06T08:27:23Z")
Hard to say. He will stand back and let Netanyahu do whatever he wants. I’m not familiar enough with the latter’s policies to know what that might be. Well and truly fucked would be my guess. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/3 "2024-11-06T14:32:51Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Will the Palestinians be wiped out? No. > [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Will they be forced out of Gaza to other countries? Will the West bank be fully subsumed? Not unless Netanyahu is removed from office by Ben Gvir. > [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > How will a Trump Presidency affect the current conflict? Israel may not make as many ceasefire offers, but that hardly matters because Hamas keeps rejecting them anyways. A much bigger impact on the conflict might be in how Israel confronts Iran should the latter continue to try and escalate. A Trump presidency might embolden Israel to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/4 "2024-11-06T14:41:11Z")
This isn’t a conversation that can meaningfully be held outside of the Pit, since “what will happen is Gaza” has a mandated answer in this subforum. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/5 "2024-11-06T15:04:16Z")
During his first Presidency, Trump’s middle East policy was pretty tightly ruled by Mike Pompeo and Jared Kushner. They were both deeply favorable towards Israel and, so far as I could ever tell, the only competent organization in the administration. They probably would have arranged the Abraham Accords a couple of years earlier - and as something more impressive - had it not been for Trump announcing that he’d had a brain spasm to declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel, destroying the effort. But I don’t know that Trump, himself, really cares about the matter as deeply as those two did. Kushner, last I saw, wasn’t intending to come back. I’m not hopeful that Trump will go for Pompeo. Or default assumption at the moment is that Trump is going to hire a Secretary of State who’s a bootlicker and we’ll get Trump’s foreign policy. Which basically means that our foreign policy is out to the highest bidder. That being so, the highest bidder would probably be Saudi Arabia. They have a pretty big history of trying to buy out Trump (probably successfully). My sense is that they mostly want a stable Middle East with themselves as the dominant power in the region. The King seems to be relatively ambivalent about Israel or privately positive, but unable to show that in public due to the general hate of Israel among the rest of the Islamic territories. He’s probably fairly strongly against Iran but I’m not sure that he’s interested in starting a war with them (but he might privately cheer for Israel to go beat them up). I’d expect that, if the politics of the Islamic region required it, he’d jettison Israel in a heart beat and, consequently, Netanyahu is going to cozy up to him and convince him to let Israel be the “bad guy” who helps to get Saudi Arabia everything it wants. In general, I expect the Middle East to actually turn out fairly well under a Trump presidency, even if it’s all for the wrong reasons. But, by that, I mean that I expect Israel and Saudi Arabia to become dominant and start making the region more stable, minus Iran. The Gazans are, likely, going to be the sacrificial lamb to make that happen. The one place where that could all go wrong would be if Trump senses that he’s got the upper hand or that the whole situation just isn’t involving him and his input enough, in which case he could start turning on Saudi Arabia and Israel, basically, just to be an evil bastard and to try and get them to scramble to suck up harder. Netanyahu would probably do so but Salman, likely, would not. And, in that case, minus the influence of the US, Salman might decide to screw over Israel just to punish the US for its leader. I’d probably go 70/30 on the likelihood of two options. The only case that turns out different from one of the above is if Kushner decides to come back. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/6 "2024-11-06T23:03:29Z")
At this point, probably not much. My understanding is the IDF has killed most Hamas militants, and what are left are stragglers. Hamas as an organized force is gone. I’m guessing what’ll happen is an international coalition will occupy Gaza and Lebanon and act as peacekeepers. But that would’ve happened no matter who was president in the US. However now with Trump as president, I think Israel will start building settlements in Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/7 "2024-11-06T23:22:57Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > However now with Trump as president, I think Israel will start building settlements in Gaza. Not unless Netanyahu is ousted - he has been firmly against settlements in Gaza (to the annoyance of some of his allies). ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/8 "2024-11-06T23:59:55Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > he has been firmly against settlements in Gaza > **[Israeli settlers in Gaza? Netanyahu’s allies lay out a strategy](https://www.npr.org/2024/10/25/g-s1-29726/israel-gaza-jewish-settlers-strategy-netanyahu)** > > Settling Gaza is not Israel’s official policy. But prominent politicians took part in a pro-settlement rally Monday, and some see possibility in what recently appeared to be a far-fetched proposition. He doesn’t seem to be against it on any moral or legalistic basis. A Trump presidency is liable to be one of the signal indicators for that decision that just went green. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/9 "2024-11-07T00:07:51Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > He doesn’t seem to be against it on any moral or legalistic basis. So what? He’s against it because he recognizes that there’s no way for Israel to settle and annex that land securely, given the two million Palestinians who live there and strongly dislike Israelis. That situation isn’t going to change, regardless of who is in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/10 "2024-11-07T00:30:48Z")
How much pressure is on Bibi to get how ever any of the hostages are left alive home? My impression is that the _realistic_ goals have been met. Hamas is as destroyed as it can be. Hezbellah is rudderless and diminished in any ability to attack. Iran is seemingly cutting their losses and not likely to reinvest huge amounts rearming them. They don’t have their proxies to fight for them and don’t want to do it themselves. My WAG was that Bibi would be more aggressive on a ceasefire once the American election was over. He just did not want to anything that might help Harris win. And I suspect the Hamas side would be happy to return the remaining hostages and bodies for some semblance of face saving if they felt Bibi really was interested. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/11 "2024-11-07T01:09:55Z")
…I take no pleasure in writing this post. First off: it’s pretty important to understand, before we look at what could happen under Trump, what is going on, _right now_, under the Biden administration. Here is an open letter from the Inter-Agency Standing Committee, 15 UN and Humanitarian agencies that include (among others) OCHA, Oxfam, UNICEF and WHO. > [@IASC](#): > > The situation unfolding in North Gaza is apocalyptic. The area has been under siege for almost a month, denied basic aid and life-saving supplies while bombardment and other attacks continue. Just in the past few days, hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, most of them women and children, and thousands have once again been forcibly displaced. > > Hospitals have been almost entirely cut off from supplies and have come under attack, killing patients, destroying vital equipment, and disrupting life-saving services. Health workers and patients have been taken into custody. Fighting has also reportedly taken place inside hospitals. > > Dozens of schools serving as shelters have been bombed or forcibly evacuated. Tents sheltering displaced families have been shelled, and people have been burned alive. > > Rescue teams have been deliberately attacked and thwarted in their attempts to pull people buried under the rubble of their homes. The very last fire engine in the north was destroyed a couple of weeks ago. Civil defence has ceased to operate. That means when a building is bombed, and there are people under the rubble, there is _nobody around to rescue them_. The three remaining hospitals are barely functioning. Hospital staff have been detained and disappeared, killed, hospital infrastructure damaged. And they are clearing out the refugee camps. One by one. Reporting is very limited. Because Israel has [killed](https://cpj.org/2024/11/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/) most of the reporters. But the pattern is clear. Daily massacres, forced marches to the south. The goal is to empty the north. Don’t believe me? Here is what Elad Goren, a senior COGAT official, said last week _on the record_. > [@Elad Goren](#): > > When asked why aid was not being delivered to other parts of the north — like Jabaliya, a crowded urban refugee camp where [Israel is staging an offensive](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-northern-gaza-displacement-aid-20628253b26a2bdcf3c844850f20da38) — he said the population there was being evacuated and those who remained had “enough assistance” from previous months. > > In other areas like Beit Hanoun and Beit Lahiya, Goren claimed falsely there was “no population” left. > **[Israel is falling far short of a US ultimatum to surge aid to Gaza](https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-humanitarian-aid-military-funding-11bdf4ffd22e0f4c68b2b7b0e24bda77)** > > An Associated Press review shows that Israel is falling far short of U.S. demands to surge the level of humanitarian assistance allowed into Gaza or risk possible restrictions on U.S. military funding. The reason why they aren’t letting aid through to the north any more is because they are (falsely) claiming the population has mostly left. They are already _acting_ as if the north is depopulated. More from the IASC: > [@IASC](#): > > And we have received reports of civilians being targeted while trying to seek safety, and of men and boys being arrested and taken to unknown locations for detention. > > Livestock are also dying, crop lands have been destroyed, trees burned to the ground, and agrifood systems infrastructure has been decimated. > > **The entire Palestinian population in North Gaza is at imminent risk of dying from disease, famine and violence.** > > Humanitarian aid cannot keep up with the scale of the needs due to the access constraints. Basic, life-saving goods are not available. Humanitarians are not safe to do their work and are blocked by Israeli forces and by insecurity from reaching people in need. > > In a further blow to the humanitarian response, the polio vaccination campaign has been delayed due to the fighting, putting the lives of children in the region at risk. Bolding mine. I think its very important to understand as we transition from the Biden administration to the Trump one that humanitarian agencies on the ground are basically begging for the carnage to stop, because the entire population in North Gaza is at imminent risk of dying. So will much materially change with Trump in charge? I don’t think so. This will continue. I think North Gaza will be cut off from the rest of Gaza and annexed. I think we will see permanent outposts built in Rafah and throughout the rest of the south (we are already seeing some being built) and what remains of Gaza will become effectively a concentration camp. And the thing is, I think that would have probably happened under Harris as well. Further from the report: > [@IASC](#): > > And this week, the Israeli Parliament adopted legislation that would ban UNRWA and revoke its privileges and immunities. If implemented, such measures would be a catastrophe for the humanitarian response in Gaza, diametrically opposed to the United Nations Charter, with potential dire impacts on the human rights of the millions of Palestinians depending on UNRWA’s assistance, and in violation of Israel’s obligations under international law. > > Let us be very clear: There is no alternative to UNRWA. > > The blatant disregard for basic humanity and for the laws of war must stop. > > International humanitarian law, including the rules of distinction, proportionality and precautions, must be respected. IHL obligations do not depend on reciprocity. No violation by one party ever releases the other from its legal obligations. > **[Stop the assault on Palestinians in Gaza and on those trying to help them |...](https://www.ochaopt.org/content/stop-assault-palestinians-gaza-and-those-trying-help-them)** > > Statement by Principals of the Inter-Agency Standing Committee > NEW YORK/GENEVA/ROME – We the leaders of 15 United Nations and humanitarian organizations urge, yet again, all parties fighting in Gaza to protect civilians, and call on the State of... There is much, much more at the link, along with the latest Flash Update with more details on what is currently happening on the ground: > **[Humanitarian Situation Update #233 | Gaza Strip | United Nations Office for...](https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-update-233-gaza-strip)** > > At least seven mass casualty incidents have been reported across Gaza over the past week, including four in North Gaza. But it’s the last bit I quoted, about the decision by Israel to ban UNRWA, ignoring the UN Charter, constant and ongoing breaches by Israel of the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian Law, that I think will ultimately be the biggest difference between what a Democrat lead administration would do and what the Trump administration will do. The Democrats would at the very least pay lip service to international law. Trump? He’s going to _smash_ it. Institutions will get broken. I think the United Nations is at risk. International Humanitarian Law will get de-legitimized. Rulings from the ICC and the ICJ will be ignored. New alliances will get formed. The next decade is going to get very dark, very quick. Israel have been working for a very long time to break UNRWA, to destroy the very concept of a “Palestinian refugee”, and with Trump in power, I fear they will finally get their wish. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/12 "2024-11-07T01:16:56Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Will the Palestinians be wiped out? Will they be forced out of Gaza to other countries? Will the West bank be fully subsumed? How will a Trump Presidency affect the current conflict\*?\* I think you’re vastly overestimating the influence that the US president has on Israeli policies. If Biden/Harris could have more or less dictated an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza on an “or else” basis, it would probably have happened. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/13 "2024-11-07T02:38:59Z")
…and just like clockwork, we are seeing the first signs of the difference between the Biden Administration and what will happen under Trump: > [@](#): > > Israeli ground forces are getting closer to “the complete evacuation” of northern Gaza and **residents will not be allowed to return home** , the [Israel](https://www.theguardian.com/world/israel) Defense Forces (IDF) has said, in what appears to be the first official acknowledgment from Israel it is systematically removing Palestinians from the area. > > In a media briefing on Tuesday night, the IDF Brig Gen Itzik Cohen [told Israeli reporters](https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/defense/820691/) that since troops had been forced to enter some areas twice, such as Jabaliya camp, “ **there is no intention of allowing the residents of the northern Gaza Strip to return to their homes** ”. > > He added that humanitarian aid would be allowed to “regularly” enter the south of the territory **but not the north, since there are “no more civilians left** ”. > **[Palestinians will not be allowed to return to homes in northern Gaza, says IDF](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/06/palestinians-will-not-be-allowed-to-return-to-homes-in-northern-gaza-says-idf?CMP=twt_b-gdnnews)** > > Brig Gen Itzik Cohen said in a briefing that aid would only be allowed to enter south of the strip, not the north Under Biden, these forced transfers were always supposed to be “temporary”. But now that Trump has won that pretence has gone now. Humanitarian agencies report there are still hundreds of thousands of civilians still trapped in North Gaza. Yet Israel says they are all gone, which means they don’t have to provide aid there any more, and anyone killed in the bombing or shot by sniper were “Hamas.” This is, without a doubt, _[ethnic cleansing](https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition)_ and with Trump to assume the presidency next year, they don’t even see the need to hide that fact any more. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/14 "2024-11-07T03:28:43Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Under Biden, these forced transfers were always supposed to be “temporary”. But now that Trump has won that pretence has gone now. Humanitarian agencies report there are still hundreds of thousands of civilians still trapped in North Gaza. Yet Israel says they are all gone, which means they don’t have to provide aid there any more, and anyone killed in the bombing or shot by sniper were “Hamas.” > > This is, without a doubt, _[ethnic cleansing](https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition)_ and with Trump to assume the presidency next year, they don’t even see the need to hide that fact any more. It astounds me that you continue to do this after your claims of starvation from like a year ago failed to materialize. When this prediction turns out to be wrong too, will you admit that, or just move the goalposts again? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/15 "2024-11-07T03:36:03Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > This is, without a doubt, _[ethnic cleansing](https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition)_ and with Trump to assume the presidency next year, they don’t even see the need to hide that fact any more. It would only be ethnic cleansing if Israel plans to annex the territory, which doesn’t seem likely at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/16 "2024-11-07T03:36:43Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > It astounds me that you continue to do this after your claims of starvation from like a year ago failed to materialize. …can I suggest you take up this tangent with OCHA, Oxfam, UNICEF, WHO and the other members of the Inter-Agency Standing Committee? If you want to dispute their claims I’m happy to take it up in another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/17 "2024-11-07T03:39:45Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > It would only be ethnic cleansing if Israel plans to annex the territory, which doesn’t seem likely at this point. …it seems _very_ likely at this point. In fact in my post that was exactly what I argued they will do, and I think that under Trump they will do it. They are on the record that Palestinians will not be allowed to return to their homes. And the IDF are in the process of _destroying_ said homes through a combination of bombing, controlled demolition, bulldozer, and _setting them on fire_. What do _you_ think will be happening next? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/18 "2024-11-07T04:24:46Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …it seems _very_ likely at this point. …it really, really does not. When it doesn’t happen, will you concede that you were wrong, or move the goal posts again? ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/19 "2024-11-07T05:25:56Z")
You know I gotta’ ask: how many people, including young children, have to die before you admit that this desruction is a bad thing? I’ve seen some quotes from West Bank, “settlers.” Who quite proudly proclaimed all Palestinians, must be removed (at least from the West Bank) or killed. This is all immoral and wrong. The way ethnic cleansing and genocide keep happening, is that people who should know better, defend it/deny it’s happening. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/20 "2024-11-07T05:44:37Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > You know I gotta’ ask: how many people, including young children, have to die before you admit that this desruction is a bad thing? Of course the destruction is a bad thing. That’s why Hamas’ should release the hostages and surrender. > [@Sylvanz](#): > > This is all immoral and wrong. The way ethnic cleansing and genocide keep happening, is that people who should know better, defend it/deny it’s happening. _Ethnic Cleansing_ doesn’t mean _more people died than I am comfortable with_. It is the removal of an entire ethnic group from a place to make way for someone else. And the Gazans aren’t going anywhere, even if Banquet Bear freaks out every time they move within Gaza. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762.md?page=2)