# What will happen in Gaza now that Trump won? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 6, 2024, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762 "2024-11-06T06:38:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/41 "2024-11-07T22:43:58Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Her cites are mostly how bad it is. We agree it is bad. _The question here is how much worse will it get under trump as opposed to Biden?_ > > It isnt to rehash the arguments on how bad Israel is treating the Gazans. Or to count how many have starved. Bad stuff will continue in Gaza as long as Hamas refuses any and all ceasefire deals and OR long as Netanyahu is in power. Hamas could get a ceasefire in a day. Fair point. **Babale** , apologies and I am backing off, but I would appreciate it if you contributed more to this thread than snide comments and telling everybody how butthurt you are by **Banquet\_Bear**. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/42 "2024-11-07T22:58:28Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > A long term end to the fighting, or a temporary pause? > > Israel has offered to trade hostages, or bodies of hostages, for a temporary ceasefire, dozens of times by now. Hamas is entirely at fault for this not coming to pass. > > A longer term cessation of hostilities requires an agreement on whether or not Hamas will remain in charge of Gaza or not, and there are currently irreconcilable differences there that have nothing to do with Bibi. No Israeli prime minister is going to agree to completely end the fighting while Hamas remains the ruling power in Gaza. After Oct 7, that’s impossible. So the only option for a ceasefire from the Israeli side, as you present it, is Hamas agreeing to complete surrender, and some way to enforce that former Hamas members are not involved in any future power? Which of course would not guarantee that whoever is in power doesn’t share the same antipathy to Israel and desires to harm it, even if not expressed. If I misunderstand please clarify. If I have it right, then that seems more like a recipe for continued forever occupation with a military presence, with no reasonable way to achieve the goal, and leaving the remaining hostages in captivity until they die, or happen to be stumbled upon, hopefully not then accidentally killed by the IDF. A plan to allow Gazans back into the north after hostilities have ceased, with no reasonable plan to ever get to that point, is no different than the plan @Banquet_Bear alleges in any meaningful way. It seems to me. I’m not there but I question if there aren’t some Israelis who would rather accept a lesser goal and getting a few remaining hostages home, even if the carnage to Gazans is of no concern at this point. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/43 "2024-11-07T23:04:22Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > So the only option for a ceasefire from the Israeli side, as you present it, is Hamas agreeing to complete surrender The UN has passed two ceasefire plans, and in at least one of them Israel agreed. Sure Bibi railed on about “destroying Hamas” but the UN deal was agreed to by Israel. Hamas refused both. And why shouldn’t they? They dont care about their people, in fact they are getting rich by selling aid to their own people. If Hamas actually agreed to release LIVING hostages, that would help. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/44 "2024-11-07T23:07:30Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > So the only option for a ceasefire from the Israeli side, as you present it, No, a humanitarian break in the fighting in exchange for the release of some hostages (and knowing how these things go historically, Israel would also throw on a few hundred or thousand Hamasnik prisoners into the deal) is also an option. But Israel isn’t going to totally pull out while Hamas remains in power. > [@DSeid](#): > > is Hamas agreeing to complete surrender, and some way to enforce that former Hamas members are not involved in any future power? Hamas has to be removed as the governing authority of the Gaza strip. Past Hamas members being part of whatever government ends up replacing Hamas is probably and unfortunately inevitable, much as some Nazis were involved with Germany’s post war government. But Hamas as a ruling force must be dismantled (and Israel is well on its way to accomplishing that task). ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/45 "2024-11-07T23:12:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Those facts dont really concern this thread. > > … > > Her cites are mostly how bad it is. We agree it is bad. _The question here is how much worse will it get under trump as opposed to Biden?_ …I reject this. If you want to know “how much worse it will get under Trump as opposed to Biden”, then you need to have a benchmark. Because my argument is that it _won’t_ materially get worse under Trump. That we will see a continuation of what is happening _right now_. And it’s crucial to understand how bad things are right now because when it continues under Trump, we don’t just turn around and say “its all on him.” Trump is going to be a disaster. But Biden was _also_ a disaster. (and it’s “his cites”, not “her cites”) ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/46 "2024-11-07T23:23:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No ceasefire deal can go thru as long as Hamas rejects them all. …I also reject this. A timeline: > **[Israel-Hamas ceasefire talks: A timeline of obstruction](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/15/israel-hamas-ceasefire-talks-a-timeline-of-obstruction)** > > If the past is any indication of the future, there are reasons to be sceptical over the present round of peace talks. It includes Israel literally assassinating the person they were negotiating with. I’m happy to discuss this further in a relevant thread. > [@DrDeth](#): > > He even built a floating dock to get aid in Where exactly is this floating dock? How long did it last? It lasted _20 days_. It had to be dismantled three times because of high seas. It was allegedly used in the Nuseirat attack which rescued four hostages killed 274 (mostly civilian) Palestinians. And Sergeant Quandarius Davon Stanley _died_. It was nothing more than an expensive PR stunt. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/47 "2024-11-07T23:34:12Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > But Biden was _also_ a disaster. We had a thread on just that. _Legally_ Biden could not do anything more to help end the war in Gaza. _Biden can not unilaterally cut off aid to Israel once Congress has authorized it._ Here is the thread- > [@Exactly what can Biden do in Gaza?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/exactly-what-can-biden-do-in-gaza/1008566): > > Okay, it seems there are some voters that are angry that Biden has not done enough for Gaza, and maybe some are gonna vote Green, whose candidate says the same. Now, clearly the US has sent aid, and Biden has tried very hard to mediate a cease fire. But what exactly, could he do more to ensure a cease fire? I asked this same question in P&E, and no one had an answer. Note that Biden does not control how much aid goes to Israel, that is Congress. I dont think you even bothered to post in it? So, **exactly** what could Biden do- _legally-_ that would have ended the war in Gaza? And dont say “cut off aid to Israel” = that was covered and the President can not do that unilaterally. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I also reject this. > > A timeline: **SOURCE: AL JAZEERA** Which is super baised, We had a long argument about this in the other thread, and _you finally conceded that Israel had agreed to the UN ceasefire deal that the US pushed through._ Which Hamas rejected. > **[Adopting Resolution 2735 (2024) with 14 Votes in Favour, Russian Federation...](https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15723.doc.htm)** > > After 247 days of war in Gaza, the Security Council today adopted by 14 votes in favour — with the Russian Federation abstaining — a resolution proposing a comprehensive three-phase ceasefire deal to end the war in Gaza, urging both Israel and Hamas... # Adopting Resolution 2735 (2024) with 14 Votes in Favour, Russian Federation Abstaining, Security Council Welcomes New Gaza Ceasefire Proposal, Urges Full Implementation…_The representative of the United States, speaking before the vote, said that “the last eight months have been nothing short but devastating” both for Israelis who lost loved ones on 7 October and Palestinian civilians who “are living through sheer hell”, fleeing from one place to another in search of elusive safety._ _“The only way to bring about a durable end to this war” is a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas, she stressed, adding that Israel has agreed to a comprehensive deal on the table, which is nearly identical to Hamas’ own proposal. “Now we are all waiting for Hamas to agree to the ceasefire deal it claims to want, but we cannot allow to wait and wait,” she stated, noting that “with every passing day, needless suffering continues”._ **Notice that AL JAZEERA didnt bother to even mention that UN deal.** So, you already concede that point in another thread. I am not gonna re-argue with you over that. I agree with your points that the Gazas are getting a rare deal, but if you keep trying to show that it is all on israel, not Hamas, there is no point in discussing this with you. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/48 "2024-11-08T00:12:05Z")
…the answer to the question “how many people have starved to death in Gaza?” is of course, a complex one. It appears we are only discussing it because I quoted the Inter-Agency Standing Committee that argued: “The entire Palestinian population in North Gaza is at imminent risk of dying from disease, famine and violence.” This wasn’t _my_ assertion. It was a quote. The healthcare system in Gaza is _broken_. Under normal circumstances, it’s difficult enough to measure a famine, but the conditions on the ground right now are apocalyptic. - From Save the Children: > [@](#): > > "The rate of deterioration of the population here is extraordinary. Previously healthy communities are just wasting away. We’re seeing increases in children with diarrhoea, jaundice, respiratory conditions, which are all the illnesses that, when combined with extreme hunger, can kill a child in days. > **[Devastating Figures Reveal Gaza’s Child Hunger Catastrophe | Save the...](https://www.savethechildren.org.nz/media-hub/devastating-figures-reveal-gazas-child-hunger-catastrophe)** > > Nearly the entire population of the Gaza strip, or 96% of the population, are facing acute food shortages. > [@](#): > > However, difficulties in collecting and verifying data in Gaza due to security challenges, access restrictions, and destruction of infrastructure make it impossible to verify exact numbers at risk or suffering from malnutrition. [https://www.savethechildren.net/news/gaza-least-3100-children-aged-under-five-killed-others-risk-famine-looms](https://www.savethechildren.net/news/gaza-least-3100-children-aged-under-five-killed-others-risk-famine-looms) Also, famine is a fluid situation. From June: > [@](#): > > The IPC report also reveals that while people in the north of Gaza have been temporarily brought back from the brink of famine, which had been predicted by the IPC for May, this is only because limited aid was allowed to reach those most in need. By contrast, in the south, the hunger situation has substantially deteriorated following renewed hostilities and decreased aid access. This isn’t a static situation. Its a dynamic one. The north was on the brink of famine earlier this year, but the levels of aid increased and they bought it back. That isn’t the situation _now_. Every humanitarian agency on the ground have said little to no aid is getting through to the north since the start of October. And the IDF are not disputing this. They’ve said “yes, we are doing this, either because they already have enough aid from a few months ago, or there aren’t any civilians there any more.” The situation on the ground has deteriorated. The systems for reporting have collapsed. For people _are_ dying from starvation, it is difficult to get to a hospital, which are constantly overwhelmed with the dead and the dying from the bombing and the shooting. Added to this: Israel are banning medical [NGO’s](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/18/israel-gaza-war-aid-hospitals-doctors/). The reality is that “how many people have starved to death in Gaza" is a disingenuous question. We don’t know, because (especially in the north) everything that would normally be used to track this is broken. It will be years, probably decades, before we know the true scale of what has happened in Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/49 "2024-11-08T00:25:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > We had a thread on just that. …that isn’t a thread on this. It poses a different question. And what that thread suggests is that I’m absolutely right. There won’t be any material difference on the ground between Biden and Trump. > [@DrDeth](#): > > I dont think you even bothered to post in it? It’s not a matter of “being bothered.” I have a real life, you know. If you want to find out what happened, you can read the Gaza pit thread. > [@DrDeth](#): > > **SOURCE: AL JAZEERA** Which is super baised LOL. Lets not pretend that western media covering this “war” is ALSO not super biased. There were literally articles in the mainstream press that argued Hamas had rejected the deal on the very day they had accepted it. I’ve quoted from a wide range of sources. I refuse to be just limited to viewing this conflict through a “western” lens. > [@DrDeth](#): > > We had a long argument about this in the other thread, and _you finally conceded that Israel had agreed to the UN ceasefire deal that the US pushed through._ Which Hamas rejected. > > [Adopting Resolution 2735 (2024) with 14 Votes in Favour, Russian Federation Abstaining, Security Council Welcomes New Gaza Ceasefire Proposal, Urges Full Implementation | Meetings Coverage and Press Releases](https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15723.doc.htm) That was a _nuanced_ concession, and since then I’ve had opportunity to reconsider. But considering this digression was started because you claimed I was getting off topic, this is straying too far off topic for me to continue. > [@DrDeth](#): > > but if you keep trying to show that it is all on israel, not Hamas, there is no point in discussing this with you. I consider what is happening in Gaza right now to be a genocide. There is only one party that is responsible for that, and that party is Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/50 "2024-11-08T00:52:05Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I consider what is happening in Gaza right now to be a genocide Which is why your view of the conflict is so disconnected from reality. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/51 "2024-11-08T03:30:15Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > There is only one party that is responsible for that, and that party is Israel. Yeah that black and white perspective in a situation that is a checkerboard of shades of grey is a disservice IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/52 "2024-11-08T04:02:39Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Yeah that black and white perspective in a situation that is a checkerboard of shades of grey is a disservice IMHO. …there is no black and white perspective when it comes to _genocide_. There are no “shades of grey” where the party that is being genocided is _responsible_ for them being genocided. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/53 "2024-11-08T05:04:16Z")
What has happened is horrific and I do not make excuses but it is not genocide. But there will be no useful conversation to be had here. In terms of the OP - Harris _may_ have tried to pull some levers to ramp pressure on Bibi. Or not. Trump definitely won’t. I remain hopeful that the election being a near term event to occur made all sides wanting to wait to see which American administration they be interacting with, and that the election being in the rear view mirror will result in everyone being more willing to get the deals done. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/54 "2024-11-08T16:09:00Z")
While it may not yet rise to the term genocide, I wonder what the Israeli end game is. It is hard for me to see how this ends well. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/55 "2024-11-08T16:20:19Z")
Likewise. My fear is that Bibi’s end game is not to have it end. His personal interest is continued external conflict. Of course the same is true for whoever is left of Hamas. For each everyone else is just the cost of staying in power. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/56 "2024-11-08T20:16:08Z")
He’s gotta’run out of children to slaughter … eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/57 "2024-11-08T21:05:20Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > > > I consider what is happening in Gaza right now to be a genocide > > Which is why your view of the conflict is so disconnected from reality. I mean, that’s hardly just their view. Francesca Albanese, the special rapporteur on Palestine to the UN, has advised the UN Human Rights Council that Israel is perpetuating genocide in March 2024—see her report [here](https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/279/68/pdf/n2427968.pdf). Not saying that’s necessarily the final word, but I think it’s also unreasonable to just dismiss out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/58 "2024-11-08T21:25:04Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > I mean, that’s hardly just their view. Francesca Albanese, the special rapporteur on Palestine to the UN, has advised the UN Human Rights Council that Israel is perpetuating genocide in March 2024—see her report [here](https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/279/68/pdf/n2427968.pdf). I don’t hold the opinion of an anti-Semite in very high regard, on this or any other topic. And that’s not me calling her that; it’s representatives of the United States, Germany, and France. > [@](#): > > She is the first Special Rapporteur to be condemned by both Germany and France for antisemitism, and has been condemned by the U.S. Special Envoy to Combat Antisemitism Deborah Lipstadt, U.S. Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield, and U.S. Ambassador to the UN Human Rights Council, Michèle Taylor. > **[Francesca Albanese in Her Own Words](https://www.adl.org/resources/article/francesca-albanese-her-own-words)** ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/59 "2024-11-08T21:41:29Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I don’t hold the opinion of an anti-Semite in very high regard, on this or any other topic. Fine. So are the 75% of 750 Middle East scholars responding in the [Middle East Scholars Barometer](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/gloom-about-the-day-after-the-gaza-war-pervasive-among-mideast-scholars/) that claim Israel is either conducting war crimes akin to genocide or just simply genocide also anti-Semites? (I’ll also note that Albanese has been defended by several groups and individuals, including three former holders of her position. But I have no interest in defending her personally, I’m just pointing out that the position that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians is one that has been put forward with extensive support, and hence, there is no use in trying to shut it down preemptively.) ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/60 "2024-11-08T22:07:32Z")
…Francesca Albanese, is not an antisemite. And that’s not me saying that, its 30 Jewish organisations that have rallied to her support. > **[30 Jewish Organizations: We Support UN Human Rights Rapporteur Francesca...](https://www.ijvcanada.org/jewish-orgs-support-albanaese/)** > > As Jewish organizations and groups, we express our support for Francesca Albanese, the United Nations’ Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territories occupied since 1967. > [@](#): > > As Jewish organizations and groups, we express our support for Francesca Albanese, the United Nations’ Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territories occupied since 1967. > > Ms. Albanese has been under relentless attack from politically motivated organizations like ‘UN Watch’, which have been waging toxic smear campaigns to silence her and to harm her human rights mandate. Those organizations have one objective: shielding the Israeli government from international criticism and legal accountability. > > Regrettably, representatives of some Western governments have been giving a strong tailwind to these smear campaigns, by accusing Ms. Albanese of antisemitism. We reject such allegations, which are unfounded and recklessly incite against Ms. Albanese, at the risk of endangering her personal safety. > > … > > By extension, we condemn the escalating instrumentalization of antisemitism in this regard, specifically through the highly controversial IHRA definition of antisemitism, which is also being weaponized against Ms. Albanese and the United Nations more broadly. > … > We commend the exceptional moral steadfastness of UN Human Rights Rapporteur Albanese amid the unspeakable suffering of the Palestinians and in the face of the malign attacks against her and her UN mandate. People have openly accused _me_ of antisemitism, of blood libel, here on these boards. It was a horrific, soul-destroying thing to happen to me. And it worked. It shut me up for a while. And it stopped other people speaking up as well. There is no reason to stop listening to Francesca Albanese,. The accusations are without foundation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762.md?page=4)