# What will happen in Gaza now that Trump won? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 6, 2024, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762 "2024-11-06T06:38:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/141 "2025-02-05T01:12:24Z")
Really? It was the “Free Square” on mine. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/142 "2025-02-05T02:10:15Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > Trump is holding a press conference right now with Netanyahu and it looks like Trump has solved the whole thing: _Damn._ So all those pro-palestine voters who refused to vote for Harris as maybe Biden could have done more- a leopard just ate your face. And if this really happens- it will be a money sink and terrorism crucible that will make us wish we were back in Afghanistan. Fuck me. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/143 "2025-02-05T03:20:10Z")
Huh, I learned from this thread that there was never any intention of genocide, and yet Trump is talking about Gaza being cleared of Palestinians and Bibi is not shocked and outraged. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/144 "2025-02-05T06:29:42Z")
Both Trump and Kushner made comments about this exact scheme last year while he was campaigning, why is everyone acting all surprised now? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/145 "2025-02-05T22:26:15Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Huh, I learned from this thread that there was never any intention of genocide, and yet Trump is talking about Gaza being cleared of Palestinians and Bibi is not shocked and outraged. Well, intentions change. Netanyahu maybe had no such intention- then trump won. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/146 "2025-02-05T22:45:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, intentions change. Netanyahu maybe had no such intention- then trump won. Maybe. I’m waiting for the handwave of this new atrocity. The argument for how the apparent support of Bibi and rest of the Israeli political right for expelling the palestinians is not a desire for a land grab or ethnic cleansing. The point of whether they are the _same kind_ of bad faith actor now, or this was the original plan seems irrelevant to me. Frankly this reminds me of past threads on the west bank (let’s assume not with you, I can’t remember). Where various principled arguments are tried for how Israel is being more than reasonable, and ultimately, after they all fail, it always comes down to “because they can”. Israel doesn’t need to morally justify new settlements, they are doing it because they can. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/147 "2025-02-05T22:51:44Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Maybe. > > I’m waiting for the handwave of this new atrocity. The argument for how the apparent support of Bibi and rest of the Israeli political right for expelling the palestinians is not a desire for a land grab or ethnic cleansing. The point of whether they are the _same kind_ of bad faith actor now, or this was the original plan seems irrelevant to me. Yeah- maybe. Who knows what goes on in that criminal mind? Or those criminal minds? Even tho we do not totally agree, you make fair and reasonable points about this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/148 "2025-02-05T22:53:41Z")
Thanks. I didn’t mean to go ranty. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2025, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/149 "2025-02-05T22:56:49Z")
Naw, others here get ranty. Look we all know Netanyahu is a criminal asshole. But I think we can also agree that terrorism is wrong and evil. Hamas doesnt give a crap about the people of Gaza. Nor does Netanyahu. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/150 "2025-02-06T16:25:02Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Both Trump and Kushner made comments about this exact scheme last year while he was campaigning, why is everyone acting all surprised now? Normally, when a policitian says something one must assume it be a bare-faced lie, or at best bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/151 "2025-02-06T19:31:23Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > Normally, when a policitian says something one must assume it be a bare-faced lie, or at best bullshit. Definitely agree about not trusting Trump, but I don’t like the meme of all politicians being liars. Why? Because it’s been used for years now as one of the deflections when Trump has been found blatantly lying, and one of his surrogates has run out of gaslight. They’ll use the “their lips are moving” joke. The reality is, the typical politician mostly engages in spin and framing of a real issue, which yeah might be misleading in some cases. _Good_ politicians try to avoid misframing issues, but they might still occasionally mislead if they have got some data wrong due to human error. But look at how hard Republicans have had to search to find examples of, for example, Obama getting anything outright wrong in 8 years as president. There’s no comparison with what Trump does; just making shit up out of whole cloth on a daily basis, and not caring (probably hoping), to put people’s lives at risk. (This rant wasn’t really aimed at you, you just gave me a jumping-off point 🙂 ) ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/152 "2025-02-06T20:01:39Z")
By the same token, I would be amazed if it actually happens that US armed forces end up evicting Palestinians from Gaza. Not that Trump doesn’t really believe it would be a good idea, just that reality still has a way of intervening. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/153 "2025-02-06T20:17:51Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Because it’s been used for years now as one of the deflections when Trump has been found blatantly lying, and one of his surrogates has run out of gaslight. They’ll use the “their lips are moving” joke. > > The reality is, the typical politician mostly engages in spin and framing of a real issue, which yeah might be misleading in some cases. _Good_ politicians try to avoid misframing issues, but they might still occasionally mislead if they have got some data wrong due to human error. > But look at how hard Republicans have had to search to find examples of, for example, Obama getting anything outright wrong in 8 years as president. Right- search Politifact for Biden, then trump. Biden gets a lot of Half true , etc. trump gets lots of false and even pants on fire. > [@Lumpy](#): > > By the same token, I would be amazed if it actually happens that US armed forces end up evicting Palestinians from Gaza. trump just walked that back by saying the IDF would do all that. Sure. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/154 "2025-02-06T20:55:17Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Right- search Politifact for Biden, then trump. Biden gets a lot of Half true , etc. trump gets lots of false and even pants on fire. Yep, and I think even that data flatters Trump but I’ll leave it for this thread, as it’s a tangent. I might make a separate thread on lying and fact-checking. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/155 "2025-02-06T20:55:46Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > the IDF would do all that. Sure. Because the IDF hasn’t already been doing its dead-level best to depopulate Gaza these last four months. _Now_ they’ll really take care of it. Because Trump suggested it. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/156 "2025-02-06T21:34:34Z")
Here is Trump’s latest update on his “plan”: > [@](#): > > The Gaza Strip would be turned over to the United States by Israel at the conclusion of fighting. The Palestinians, people like Chuck Schumer, would have already been resettled in far safer and more beautiful communities, with new and modern homes, in the region. They would actually have a chance to be happy, safe, and free. The U.S., working with great development teams from all over the World, would slowly and carefully begin the construction of what would become one of the greatest and most spectacular developments of its kind on Earth. No soldiers by the U.S. would be needed! Stability for the region would reign!!! First, Chuck Schumer is a Palestinian? And Chuck will be resettling, along with others in Gaza, voluntarily? Can I get some of whatever he’s smoking? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2025, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/157 "2025-02-06T21:59:15Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Well “Colonize Gaza” definitely wasn’t on my Trump Bingo card. It’s been near the top of my bingo card for a while now, ever since this reporting from last year. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-in-talks-with-congo-and-other-countries-on-gaza-voluntary-migration-plan/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-in-talks-with-congo-and-other-countries-on-gaza-voluntary-migration-plan/) And once I saw Trump appoint real estate developer Witkoff as a “special envoy”, I knew for sure. It’s not going to work out, but I’m pretty sure we’re soon all going to see what genocide REALLY looks like. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/158 "2025-02-07T00:26:44Z")
He is still on this? “Greatest Developments on Earth?” So it’s still the Trump Gaza-Mar-a-Lago Resort and golf course with Hotel and Casino Ivanka? " It’s far too late to say the “Gazans” will only go elsewhere temporarily as he’s said America will keep it. Way, way too late to say “only temporary deportation” esp as no country in the region will take them, and they do not want to go. I saw the supposed “aghast” look his Chief of Staff had the other night. She needs to find shiny objects to move his attention elsewhere. ETA: Nah, just keep doubling down. As every gambler knows, eventually you will win. Spend the rest of the month and most of March on American Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/159 "2025-02-07T00:48:21Z")
I’m shocked that Prime Minister Netanyahu is supporting Trump’s plan. Why would Israel want direct US interference in Gaza? I can’t think of anything much more foolish than getting the US involved in that Clusterfuck. No one has ever found a Palestinian solution in the past 75 years. Trump is correct that relocation is the only _permanent solution_. But you can’t forcibly relocate 2 million people. People who already have a military organization and would bring the fight to American soil. > **[U.S. taking over Gaza Strip could 'change history,' Netanyahu says](https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/u-s-taking-over-gaza-strip-could-change-history-israeli-prime-minister-netanyahu-says-231111749898)** > > Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded to President Donald Trump's comment about the U.S. taking over the Gaza Strip. Netanyahu said it could "change history" and would be "worth while" to pursue.  ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2025, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/160 "2025-02-07T16:24:50Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Trump is correct that relocation is the only _permanent solution_. But the white house has back-tracked from that. At first he said: permanently move them, America will own it, Riviera/Mar-a-Lago for “The World”. Sure, not having people in the areas being bulldozed and sculpted for Golf Courses would be preferable. The Gazans have heard the truth - that they’ll be in the way permanently and at best Netanyahu is backing the “if they want to leave, they can, if not watch out for the heavy equipment” and if you can believe _him_, only temporarily. Yet no country within walking/migration distance wants them, and to their credit, this is their home and they are staying and not being manipulated by the Israelis or this **lying** President. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762.md?page=9)