# What will the Republican Party be like post-Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 6, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574 "2019-05-06T17:31:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/101 "2019-05-13T15:20:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Give us a few examples. If your answer to the question is “no”, then a few examples are unlikely to convince you otherwise. If your answer is “yes”, then the examples are unnecessary as we already agree on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/102 "2019-05-13T15:22:12Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Sure. Why does this specifically concern republicans. I haven’t claimed it does specifically concern Republicans. I’m simply trying to help you to discover the answer to your question “Why, if not for being tax cheats.” It sounds like you already understand the answer though, so I guess my work here is done. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/103 "2019-05-13T15:24:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > They certainly appear to share a liking for this particular tactic. It is surprising that Republicans look back on McCarthyism with fondness. When you elect a President with such fondness for the likes of Cohn and Stone, I should have guessed that your side would fall in line with orders to resurrect such an embarrassing debacle. But I didn’t, which is my error. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/104 "2019-05-13T15:29:39Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Do you recognize the possibility that someone might have other motives for not wanting to publicize their tax returns besides them containing evidence of cheating (which the IRS apparently missed)? I guess you think American citizens’ need to know whether their President is governing for their benefit or his own very personal benefit doesn’t supersede the President’s desire to keep his financial info out of the public eye. Can’t say I’m surprised. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/105 "2019-05-13T15:30:59Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I haven’t claimed it does specifically concern Republicans. Wrong again. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Trying to kick one of the major party’s candidates off the ballot isn’t disenfranchisement? ‘you can vote for anyone you want as president, as long as it’s a Democrat’. > > Your argument here is absurd. Of course that would disenfranchise Republicans voters. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/106 "2019-05-13T15:35:34Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Wrong again. I think you got lost somewhere along the way. The “it” from the first quoted post is “the possibility that someone might have other motives for not wanting to publicize their tax returns”. That could be a concern for candidates from either party. The efforts to kick one party’s candidate off the ballot _do_ appear to be coming almost entirely from Dems and targeted at Republicans. Those efforts are, I’m fairly confident, more of a concern to Republicans than Democrats, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/107 "2019-05-13T15:37:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > If your answer to the question is “no”, then a few examples are unlikely to convince you otherwise. If your answer is “yes”, then the examples are unnecessary as we already agree on the matter. So you don’t have any. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/108 "2019-05-13T15:45:29Z")
I just want to say that no one on this board has responded to the wager I proposed in [Post 56.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21630000&postcount=56) Don’t we have any compulsive gamblers here? I’m not looking to shame anyone publicly. If anyone wants to contact me by PM to discuss the details before they make a wager, I won’t mention it here. I also won’t mention any names here unless you agree to it. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/109 "2019-05-13T15:45:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I think you got lost somewhere along the way. > > The “it” from the first quoted post is “the possibility that someone might have other motives for not wanting to publicize their tax returns”. That could be a concern for candidates from either party. > > The efforts to kick one party’s candidate off the ballot _do_ appear to be coming almost entirely from Dems and targeted at Republicans. Those efforts are, I’m fairly confident, more of a concern to Republicans than Democrats, unfortunately. Wow. Direct quote from you and you still deny it. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/110 "2019-05-13T15:52:00Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Wow. Direct quote from you and you still deny it. I didn’t “deny it”, I corrected your misunderstanding of the first “direct quote from [me]”. You think you’ve got a gotcha here, but you don’t, and it’s a little humorous and a little sad to watch. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/111 "2019-05-13T15:53:55Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > I just want to say that no one on this board has responded to the wager I proposed in [Post 56.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21630000&postcount=56) Don’t we have any compulsive gamblers here? > > I’m not looking to shame anyone publicly. If anyone wants to contact me by PM to discuss the details before they make a wager, I won’t mention it here. I also won’t mention any names here unless you agree to it. Perhaps your wager is a bit too unlikely to come to pass for anyone to think it’s worth bothering with. If you had to guess, what are the odds that Condoleeza Rice even runs for president in 2024? 1%? More? Less? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/112 "2019-05-13T15:56:04Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I didn’t “deny it”, I corrected your misunderstanding of the first “direct quote from [me]”. You think you’ve got a gotcha here, but you don’t, and it’s a little humorous and a little sad to watch. This is why you have an 18 page pit thread. Buh bye. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/113 "2019-05-13T16:01:37Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > I just want to say that no one on this board has responded to the wager I proposed in [Post 56.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21630000&postcount=56) Don’t we have any compulsive gamblers here? Per that post: > [@](#): > > I will bet anyone on this board $100 American cash (or at least PayPal) money that if Condoleeza Rice ever runs for President, she will not have a first ballot majority of delegates going into the Republican Convention. First of all, there’s the ‘if.’ We’re talking about a bet that’s almost certain not to materialize. And second, she’s the sort of potential GOP candidate that certain classes of pundit always like, but never get much of a following when they run. (And as much as I hate to say it, we Dopers have way more in common with pundits than we do with the average GOP voter.) If Condi were to run in 2024, she’d be lucky to get any delegates at all, and would most likely drop out well before Iowa. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/114 "2019-05-13T16:06:07Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > I just want to say that no one on this board has responded to the wager I proposed in [Post 56.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21630000&postcount=56) Don’t we have any compulsive gamblers here? > > I’m not looking to shame anyone publicly. If anyone wants to contact me by PM to discuss the details before they make a wager, I won’t mention it here. I also won’t mention any names here unless you agree to it. Yeah dude, I’m not taking that bet. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/115 "2019-05-13T19:26:55Z")
How about just betting Condi Rice runs for President, then? Hint: She won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/116 "2019-05-13T19:52:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > How about just betting Condi Rice runs for President, then? Hint: She won’t. Which is kind of a chicken-and-the-egg thing. Republicans won’t vote for Rice, so she will never run. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/117 "2019-05-13T19:55:58Z")
Or she won’t run for entirely different reasons such as her age or lack of presidential ambitions. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/118 "2019-05-13T21:04:37Z")
Hey **HurricaneDitka** , do you have any thoughts on how the Republican party will look like after Trump? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/119 "2019-05-13T21:17:14Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Hey **HurricaneDitka** , do you have any thoughts on how the Republican party will look like after Trump? I doubt he’ll ever achieve a Reagan-like level of fame among Republicans, but if he wins again in 2020, I suspect Republicans will be more willing to follow a model that twice assembled a winning coalition. I see that as being more protectionist and less globalist than the Republicans have been in the past. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2019, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574/120 "2019-05-13T22:16:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Yes, they are. I’m sure you believe this to be the case, but your opinions aren’t fact-based. You proved this when you attempted to use Tucker Carlson as a scientific reference. > [@](#): > > I support some basic election security measures. I, [like the vast majority of Americans](https://news.gallup.com/poll/194741/four-five-americans-support-voter-laws-early-voting.aspx), don’t believe asking for an ID amounts to disenfranchisement. Are you not aware that the GOP has already been busted in court more than once for trying to implement laws with the goal of preventing people from voting? Well, they have. And you support them. Therefore you support their disenfranchisement efforts. That you deny they exist doesn’t change that, it just makes you someone who’s in denial about opposition to free and fair elections. > [@](#): > > You’ve said this twice now, and I have no idea what you’re talking about or why you interjected it here (again). You once claimed to be patriotic. Perhaps you’ve forgotten, but I haven’t. I was just pointing out that your support of right-wing voter-suppression efforts contradicts that claim. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-the-republican-party-be-like-post-trump/833574.md?page=7)